ChoiceScarfed I love how Toxapex is able to be submitted for despite winning slate 1. Apparently? Gonna hold off on posting any subs until this is resolved.
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Okay, for me, I think a good replacement could be
Slowking. It's currently in S rank in the OU Viability rankings and with Regenerator, it makes it a terrifying FuturePort user. You should definitely check the strategy for Slowking as it's basically a huge specially defensive pivot. https://www.smogon.com/dex/ss/pokemon/slowking/
Um, so, I guess its Slowking instead of Pex now!
Pokemon: Anti-Ferrothorn
Type: Grass / Fire
Ability: Anticipation / Magic Bounce
Stats: 74 / 20 / 131 / 94 / 54 / 116
Added Moves: Fire Blast, Fire Punch, Flamethrower, Flare Blitz, Rapid Spin, Synthesis
Removed Moves: Flash Cannon, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Spikes, Steel Beam, Thunder Wave,
Description: Normally I wouldn't rely on bullshit abilities like Magic Bounce but Ferrothorn has so much stuff I really didn't have a choice. Either way, this is a decent stall-breaker and a decent suicide lead, although Explosion off a 20 Atk stat doesn't seem so cool.
Offensive
252 SpA Ferrothorn Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 372-444 (105.9 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Defensive
0 Atk Ferrothorn Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 36-43 (12.4 - 14.8%) -- possible 7HKO
252 SpA Ferrothorn Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 372-444 (105.9 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Defensive
0 Atk Ferrothorn Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 36-43 (12.4 - 14.8%) -- possible 7HKO
Pokemon: Anti-Blissey
Typing:
Abilities: Natural Cure / Serene Grace / Misty Surge
Stats: 255 / 120 / 30 / 20 / 60 / 55
New Moves: Close Combat, Flash Cannon, Iron Head, Steel Beam, Steel Roller
Removed Moves: Aromatherapy, Heal Bell, Teleport, Thunder Wave, Wish
Description: Absorbs status and Seismic Tosses and has the option to throw a giant-ass Steel Roller (or Close Combat, but Steel Roller is cooler).
Defensive
Blissey Seismic Toss vs. 0 HP Blissey: 100-100 (15.3 - 15.3%) -- guaranteed 7HKO
Offensive
252+ Atk Choice Band Blissey Steel Roller (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 399-470 (55.8 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Blissey Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 736-868 (103 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Blissey Seismic Toss vs. 0 HP Blissey: 100-100 (15.3 - 15.3%) -- guaranteed 7HKO
Offensive
252+ Atk Choice Band Blissey Steel Roller (130 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 399-470 (55.8 - 65.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Blissey Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 736-868 (103 - 121.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Pokemon: Anti-Blissey
New Stats: 90/100/65/60/135/90
Abilities: Magic Gaurd/Tough Claws/HA: Natural Cure
New Typing: Fighting/Ghost
New Moves: Shadow Force, Shadow Claw, bulk up, Pursuit, taunt
Removed Moves: Stealth Rock,Calm mind, Aromatherapy, Heal Bell, blizzard
Calcs: 0 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 70-84 (21.7 - 26%) -- 4.3% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Blissey Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 484-569 (67.7 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Blissey switching boosted Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 172-203 (24 - 28.4%) -- 96.5% chance to 4HKO
Basically it forces blissey to spam tport since it can't touch it and can't afford to give fight/ghost free turns.Taunt can stop tport and pursuit gives u some free chip when they are forced to switch out. Tbh nothing really counters blissey it just spams tport on your special breaker. Wait I should have done that to bait blissey then taunt. Fuck oh well steal my idea.
New Stats: 90/100/65/60/135/90
Abilities: Magic Gaurd/Tough Claws/HA: Natural Cure
New Typing: Fighting/Ghost
New Moves: Shadow Force, Shadow Claw, bulk up, Pursuit, taunt
Removed Moves: Stealth Rock,Calm mind, Aromatherapy, Heal Bell, blizzard
Calcs: 0 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 70-84 (21.7 - 26%) -- 4.3% chance to 4HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Blissey Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 484-569 (67.7 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Blissey switching boosted Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 172-203 (24 - 28.4%) -- 96.5% chance to 4HKO
Basically it forces blissey to spam tport since it can't touch it and can't afford to give fight/ghost free turns.Taunt can stop tport and pursuit gives u some free chip when they are forced to switch out. Tbh nothing really counters blissey it just spams tport on your special breaker. Wait I should have done that to bait blissey then taunt. Fuck oh well steal my idea.
Reposting this one, gonna look at the others later.
Anti-Blissey
New Stats: 140 / 95 / 55 / 75 / 85 / 90
Abilities: Magic Guard / Guts
New Typing: Fighting / Ghost
New Moves: Aura Sphere, Bulk Up, Close Combat, Mach Punch, Poltergeist, Shadow Sneak
Removed Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Last Resort, Life Dew, Softboiled, Stored Power, Stealth Rock
Blissey already has a surprising number of physical tools (Wild Charge, Rock Slide + Earthquake, Elemental Punches, and Drain Punch as preinstalled STAB) so I didn't want to give it too many extra toys. Just some extra STAB options and a physical setup move, but now it can't be a backup SR setter and has fewer recovery options. The timer on Guts' status makes knowing when to switch for Toxic reset more noticeable, since Drain Punch can't sustain you forever and Rest leaves you wide open for setup.
Or you can choose to not be damaged by status with Magic Guard, but then you run the risk of being burnt and making it difficult to kill anything if you didn't pick up a special option for mixed, since its Sp. Atk of 75 is... decent, but not worth writing home about since it doesn't have any ability modifiers, as well as Assault Vest potentially existing on non-Blisseys.
Anti-Blissey
New Stats: 140 / 95 / 55 / 75 / 85 / 90
Abilities: Magic Guard / Guts
New Typing: Fighting / Ghost
New Moves: Aura Sphere, Bulk Up, Close Combat, Mach Punch, Poltergeist, Shadow Sneak
Removed Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Last Resort, Life Dew, Softboiled, Stored Power, Stealth Rock
0 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 104-124 (24.7 - 29.4%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO after poison damage
0 SpA Blissey Psychic vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 176-208 (41.8 - 49.4%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after poison damage
240 SpA Blissey Psychic vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 232-274 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after poison damage
252+ Atk Anti-Blissey Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 626-740 (87.6 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Guts Anti-Blissey Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 590-696 (82.6 - 97.4%) (70 - 82.6% recovered if 0 EVs/31 IV like above sets) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Blissey Psychic vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 176-208 (41.8 - 49.4%) -- 82.4% chance to 2HKO after poison damage
240 SpA Blissey Psychic vs. -1 0 HP / 0 SpD Anti-Blissey: 232-274 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after poison damage
252+ Atk Anti-Blissey Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 626-740 (87.6 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Guts Anti-Blissey Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 590-696 (82.6 - 97.4%) (70 - 82.6% recovered if 0 EVs/31 IV like above sets) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Or you can choose to not be damaged by status with Magic Guard, but then you run the risk of being burnt and making it difficult to kill anything if you didn't pick up a special option for mixed, since its Sp. Atk of 75 is... decent, but not worth writing home about since it doesn't have any ability modifiers, as well as Assault Vest potentially existing on non-Blisseys.
Pokemon: Anti-Slowking
Typing:
Abilities: Prankster / Own Tempo / Psychic Surge
Stats: 95 / 75 / 50 / 125 / 85 / 60 (BST: 490)
New Moves: Dark Pulse, Taunt, Fake Tears, Pursuit, Knock Off, Brutal Swing, Lash Out
Removed Moves: Focus Blast, Surf, Muddy Water, Hydro Pump, Scald, Earthquake, Bulldoze
(Anti-Slowking is Hoopa here)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hoopa-Unbound Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 284-336 (72 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Hoopa-Unbound Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 378-446 (95.9 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Slowking Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hoopa-Unbound: 99-117 (25.1 - 29.6%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hoopa-Unbound Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 284-336 (72 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Hoopa-Unbound Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 378-446 (95.9 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Slowking Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hoopa-Unbound: 99-117 (25.1 - 29.6%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Anti-Slowking forces its counter part in awkward situations by virtue of the fact that Slowking is usually the sole special check inside of a SS OU team, or at least the only thing that could take an expanding force coming from a 125 Psychic Surge mon. But it really doesn't want to stay on dark pulse. This mon can really take advantage of that to gain some pretty nifty set up opportunities. It can also Whirlpool + Taunt trap Slowking which i think warrants the full counter tag.
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Guys, sorry I haven't been on Smogon very often
I'll be passing leadership to EeveeGirl1380 or Gravity Monkey, depending on who wants it, and they can decide if someone is more fitting from that point on.
As my final act as leader, let the voting begin.
Vote like this: Anti-Pikachu: ExamplePerson1, ExamplePerson2, ExamplePerson3
I'll be passing leadership to EeveeGirl1380 or Gravity Monkey, depending on who wants it, and they can decide if someone is more fitting from that point on.
As my final act as leader, let the voting begin.
Vote like this: Anti-Pikachu: ExamplePerson1, ExamplePerson2, ExamplePerson3
Some announcements!
First of all, we're letting this slate open until friday, so get your late subs in before that! Voting is gonna be open for half a week after that, and once that is over this thread is gonna be closed. We're gonna be opening V2 some time after that. EeveeGirl1380 is gonna be the new leader of the mod, and I will stay as a council member. Stay tuned, big things are coming for Dopplegängers!
First of all, we're letting this slate open until friday, so get your late subs in before that! Voting is gonna be open for half a week after that, and once that is over this thread is gonna be closed. We're gonna be opening V2 some time after that. EeveeGirl1380 is gonna be the new leader of the mod, and I will stay as a council member. Stay tuned, big things are coming for Dopplegängers!
Anti-Blissey
Abilities - Poison Heal / Motor Drive
Stats - 70 / 60 / 80 / 90 / 130 / 90
Added Moves - Poltergeist, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Thunder Cage, Ominous Wind, Taunt
Removed Moves - Softboiled, Stealth Rock, Teleport, Aromatherapy, Heal Bell, Healing Wish
240 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 80-96 (23.3 - 27.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Poison Heal
240 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. -1 248 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 120-142 (34.9 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Poison Heal
No calcs on offense, as the main way this kills is Thunder Cage trap + Curse/Toxic, with Taunt to stop Teleport
240 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. -1 248 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 120-142 (34.9 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Poison Heal
No calcs on offense, as the main way this kills is Thunder Cage trap + Curse/Toxic, with Taunt to stop Teleport
Blissey has a decent number of tools in its kit already, with Curse lending itself nicely to helping take down Blissey. Thunder Cage allows for trapping, and Taunt stops the Teleport. It now has to rely on Life Dew for recovery rather than Softboiled, although Poison Heal lessens that issue.
Well, the slate has closed a little later then expected! Sorry about that, but I see you all hate Blissey.
Voting has started! The voting format will be Anti-Mon: ExamplePerson1, ExamplePerson2, ExamplePerson3.
Edit: For self votes its the number of your submissions times 2 is how many points you can give to yourself (1st place = 3 points, 2nd place = 2 points, 3rd place = 1 point
Voting has started! The voting format will be Anti-Mon: ExamplePerson1, ExamplePerson2, ExamplePerson3.
Edit: For self votes its the number of your submissions times 2 is how many points you can give to yourself (1st place = 3 points, 2nd place = 2 points, 3rd place = 1 point
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: Ludicrousity, Spiderpig2398 (SV), zxgzxg
: there's only one sub for these two: idk what you want me to say besides "sure add 'em"
Ludicrousity, Spiderpig2398, zxgzxg 
Voting is over! And the winners are...
zxgzxg's Anti-Ferrothorn...
zxgzxg's Anti-Ferrothorn...
Gravity Monkey's Anti-Slowking...
Pokemon: Anti-Ferrothorn
Type: Grass / Fire
Ability: Anticipation / Magic Bounce
Stats: 74 / 20 / 131 / 94 / 54 / 116
Added Moves: Fire Blast, Fire Punch, Flamethrower, Flare Blitz, Rapid Spin, Synthesis
Removed Moves: Flash Cannon, Gyro Ball, Iron Head, Spikes, Steel Beam, Thunder Wave,
Description: Normally I wouldn't rely on bullshit abilities like Magic Bounce but Ferrothorn has so much stuff I really didn't have a choice. Either way, this is a decent stall-breaker and a decent suicide lead, although Explosion off a 20 Atk stat doesn't seem so cool.
Offensive
252 SpA Ferrothorn Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ferrothorn: 372-444 (105.9 - 126.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Defensive
0 Atk Ferrothorn Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 36-43 (12.4 - 14.8%) -- possible 7HKO
And Ludicrousity's Anti-Blissey!
Pokemon: Anti-Slowking
Typing:
Abilities: Prankster / Own Tempo / Psychic Surge
Stats: 95 / 75 / 50 / 125 / 85 / 60 (BST: 490)
New Moves: Dark Pulse, Taunt, Fake Tears, Pursuit, Knock Off, Brutal Swing, Lash Out
Removed Moves: Focus Blast, Surf, Muddy Water, Hydro Pump, Scald, Earthquake, Bulldoze
(Anti-Slowking is Hoopa here)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hoopa-Unbound Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 284-336 (72 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ SpA Hoopa-Unbound Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Slowking: 378-446 (95.9 - 113.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Slowking Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Hoopa-Unbound: 99-117 (25.1 - 29.6%) -- 0% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
Anti-Slowking forces its counter part in awkward situations by virtue of the fact that Slowking is usually the sole special check inside of a SS OU team, or at least the only thing that could take an expanding force coming from a 125 Psychic Surge mon. But it really doesn't want to stay on dark pulse. This mon can really take advantage of that to gain some pretty nifty set up opportunities. It can also Whirlpool + Taunt trap Slowking which i think warrants the full counter tag.
Congrats to all the winners of this slate! This will be the last slate on V1 of Döppelgangers, and the new thread will be up soon!
Anti-Blissey
Abilities - Poison Heal / Motor Drive
Stats - 70 / 60 / 80 / 90 / 130 / 90
Added Moves - Poltergeist, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Thunder Cage, Ominous Wind, Taunt
Removed Moves - Softboiled, Stealth Rock, Teleport, Aromatherapy, Heal Bell, Healing Wish
240 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 80-96 (23.3 - 27.9%) -- possible 6HKO after Poison Heal
240 SpA Blissey Shadow Ball vs. -1 248 HP / 252 SpD Rotom: 120-142 (34.9 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Poison Heal
No calcs on offense, as the main way this kills is Thunder Cage trap + Curse/Toxic, with Taunt to stop Teleport
Blissey has a decent number of tools in its kit already, with Curse lending itself nicely to helping take down Blissey. Thunder Cage allows for trapping, and Taunt stops the Teleport. It now has to rely on Life Dew for recovery rather than Softboiled, although Poison Heal lessens that issue.
Hello everyone! We now have V2 of Döppelgangers up and running! The first slate is Arctozolt, Alolan Ninetails, and Kyurem!
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/döppelgangers-v2.3691045/
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/döppelgangers-v2.3691045/
Uh how do you play this?
bit late but i don't follow this thread
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