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Doubles Overview, Benchmarks, and Q&A Thread—Read before asking!
- Thread starter kamikaze
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When in doubt, Amoonguss is a great add to almost any team (including yours!). It provides redirection through Rage Powder, Spore to cripple pretty much anything, and has a great habit of not dying. That leaves your team entirely special though and vulnerable to Light Screen or Snarl, so you can also consider support Gyarados over Suicune.
how do spread moves like earthquake reduce in damage in the following situations?
1) hit your partner and both enemies= 75% reduction
2) hit your partner and one enemy (other enemy is dead)= ?
3) do not hit your partner because it is flying and hit one enemy (other enemy is dead)= ?
1) hit your partner and both enemies= 75% reduction
2) hit your partner and one enemy (other enemy is dead)= ?
3) do not hit your partner because it is flying and hit one enemy (other enemy is dead)= ?
75 in all cases
Edit: to be perfectly clear: rock slide does 100% if one enemy is dead
Why is clefable considered unviable in smogon doubles when it's been pretty succesful in vgc? I don't really see what smogon doubles adds that makes it that more unviable.
i think arcanine's pretty ass in vgc too lol. it's a fire type that takes heavy damage from bisharp and an intimidator that can't switch in on landorus-t. i think D rank is a bit low for it but there really are better options.
here are a couple problems with Arcanine in doubles
1) you waste your fire type slot on a pokemon that cant switch into bisharp
2) you waste your intimidate on a Pokemon that cant switch into Lando T
3) it is edgequake weak, most viable fires (Char/heatran/talon/rotom h) are immune or at least not weak to both
4) its damage output is pretty poor no matter which offence you choose to invest in (this is probably the most important point)
In VGC you can just not bring Arcanine when your opponent has something to beat you, because the things that beat it are specific but common. In VGC you just dont always use Arcanine, but in Doubles it consistently has a pretty poor match up.
There are also relevant Pokemon in Doubles like Keldeo, Diancie, and Kyurem B that give Arcanine trouble, but aren't legal in VGC.
This also includes using priority tail wind, mega evolving Swampert in the rain, switching in polioed / using rain dance with a swift swimmer already out and paralysis (although full paras can happen turn 1). For instancce, regular Venusaur next to a mega evolving Charizard will not get the chlorophyll boost turn one, but the boost will apply turn two.
This should be added to the OP IMO because it gets asked reasonably often.
I've a question. What Niche would Meloetta and Landorus-T have in Doubles?
Idk about Melotta, but there are niches that exist to counter Landorous T. Lando has great bulk, Intimidate, and base 145 physical attack. It can be run with a choice scarf as a strong bulky pivot, or as a bulky attacker. Landot is arguably the best Pokemon in the metagame. I've never used Melotta, but it could be a strong, fast Fighting-Type or a strong fast special attacker. Talonflame craps on the first set idea though, and the second is probably outclassed by Deoxys A as a psychic type attacker or Cresselis as a bulky psychic type support pokemon.
i've run assault vest meloetta a few times and its actually a pretty nifty set. it acts as a fantastic switchin to aegislash and as a pivot to get some chip damage on stuff. it's weak but it's an alright mon.
Meloetta @ Assault Vest
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 160 HP / 252 SpA / 96 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
outspeeds bisharp so you can nail it with fblast. shadow ball allows you to actually hit aegi lol.
Meloetta @ Assault Vest
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 160 HP / 252 SpA / 96 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
outspeeds bisharp so you can nail it with fblast. shadow ball allows you to actually hit aegi lol.
Now I have an unrelated question to the meloetta one (IDK how much synergy the two would have) How good would a Breloom with Poison Heal and Toxic Orb be if after it was poisoned its item would be swapped with leftovers, and what would be an ideal partner for switching the two items?
why exactly would you want to do this, there is no real point in it? :/
If you really want to you could use a bulky Steel Pokemon such as Jirachi as it wouldn't get poisoned from the Toxic Orb and is able to carry Leftovers the first few turns. Again, this is a strategy that I heavily unrecommend.
I'm just curious to see if a Breloom that could heal twice per turn would be viable
I can answer your question already: not really.
Such a combination of Breloom with Poison Heal and Toxic Orb along with a partner to switch items with wouldn't really work as it's basically too much trouble than it's worth. You waste a turn on a partner for a setup that isn't that good in the first place. There's also the fact that Poison Heal on Breloom isn't that good to begin with due to its frailty and typing (that lets it get beat by common foes such as Mega Charizard Y, Latios, Shaymin-Sky, etc.) holding back any recovery you can get.
Okay I get it, the idea is impractical
The biggest issue with Poison Heal on Breloom is that it can't be run with Technitian for an extremely powerful Bullet Seed and Mach Punch. Technician also allows you to get the OHKO on 252 HP Rotom wash. (No Technician) 252+ Atk Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 258-312 (84.8 - 102.6%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO
(Technician)
252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 348-414 (114.4 - 136.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Adamant isn't even needed to have a significantly higher chance to OHKO, so you can run jolly and speed creep the things that run 240 speed to be Loom and put those to sleep. Technician also boosts the power of Mach Punch, which allows Breloom to hit like an absolute truck. It's not an awful idea in itself IMO, but breloom has better options, so it's very outclassed.Would be viable in Gen 4 DOU though.
(Technician)
252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-W: 348-414 (114.4 - 136.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Adamant isn't even needed to have a significantly higher chance to OHKO, so you can run jolly and speed creep the things that run 240 speed to be Loom and put those to sleep. Technician also boosts the power of Mach Punch, which allows Breloom to hit like an absolute truck. It's not an awful idea in itself IMO, but breloom has better options, so it's very outclassed.
Maybe try Gliscor instead and instead of using Toxic Orb+Trick, just use a Pokemon with Toxic. I wouldn't call it good, but idk you'd probably have more luck than with Breloom and Toxic Orb.
Okay now I have a question about Aegislash. What would be a good Nature for Wide Guard Aegislash? (I felt like Sassy was a good bet since between King's Shield, Shadow Sneak and the fact that the tiers are more varied in Doubles, I think that the speed was not that importaint)