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Metagame Doubles Ubers

Hey, I was thinking of getting into the competitive scene, and I wanted to use a team revolving around zamazenta and chien pao

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UrLocalGreenCat said:
Hey, I was thinking of getting into the competitive scene, and I wanted to use a team revolving around zamazenta and chien pao

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Hey I think this team has some merits, you’ve selected some good Pokemon with decent synergy to start, however your sets are very suboptimal.

For instance, Iron Defense + Body Press Zama is great, but then brick break doesn’t make sense on it because then it only has fighting moves and can’t hit common ghost types like Calyrex shadow rider & Lunala. So I’d replace brick break with snarl, which also lowers special attackers ability to hit it hard. There’s also no need for special attack EVs. Lastly it likely wants protect so that its allies can take advantage of the opponent targeting it and remove/incapacitate checks.

Then Choice Band Incineroar really doesn’t make sense, Incineroar is a support pokemon in doubles, able to switch in on a lot of attacks & intimidate, then click fake out to give its ally a free turn to operate, then parting shot out and further lower stats.

As for the rest of the team, I think this could probably benefit from a bulky assault vest Kyogre, replacing the chien-pao with a Trick Room Calyrex Ice Rider, and then having the last slot be something like Swift swim Basculegion to give you a fast attacker.

But ultimately, I highly recommend starting with sample teams at the front of this thread until you get a hang of playing competitively and understand the metagame. Teambuilding is arguably the hardest part, so starting with good teams to develop your skills is the best way to begin.
 
https://pokepast.es/d0a133dcbc62dc70 CSR arceus zama chienpao smeargle xerneas(not important，no body like you，booo!could switch in to kyogre，because miraidon kinda just directly telling you my smeargle dont learn spore)
I used this team get not bad grade at national dex double uber，and i hope some one could develop such a interesting arceus set，could change arceus' return in to double edge，i really really begging for someone try the silk scarf double edge arceus+ruination chienpao!and tell me is it work or not!!!
 
Hey, i'd like to share the improvement on my Groudon CSR & Miraidon Lunala Team. Flutter is bulky specs tera normal (to deal with CSR if necessary) and benefit from the sun of Groudon. Iron hand is invest in spedef and can tank a lot. With the electric terrain it do a lot of dammage and is here to fake out and volt switch when needed. Trickroom on Lunala is important against tw. Enjoy!

https://pokepast.es/b1528d40b35bd4a5
 
sumwun said:
What Pokemon benefit the most from tailwind or work best in tailwind teams?
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I like the core whimsi + koraidon/miraidon but whatever with some speed works I saw some lunala tailwind and crazy people with caly ice with some speed in tw, so I think whatever with speed or speed medium works
As tw setter should works lunala whimsi tornadus ho-oh
Really in tw you can run whatever u want
 
sumwun said:
What Pokemon benefit the most from tailwind or work best in tailwind teams?
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Pokemon that have good coverage, hits hard, and generally has mediocre speed. Some good examples are Groudon, Kyogre, Zacian, Lunala, Arceus forms like fire, ground, & fairy, and even stuff like Palkia can work well.
 
I've been getting back into this tier since Champions is not coming out on phones any time soon, and I was wondering: what Arceus sets, other than E-Killer, are most common? I've generally seen defensive forms with Judgment (or Heat Wave for Arc-Fire) and Tailwind, but I'm unsure what other moves I could fit, or what types are best.
 
mighark said:
I've been getting back into this tier since Champions is not coming out on phones any time soon, and I was wondering: what Arceus sets, other than E-Killer, are most common? I've generally seen defensive forms with Judgment (or Heat Wave for Arc-Fire) and Tailwind, but I'm unsure what other moves I could fit, or what types are best.
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OK, arceus formes and sets is something I really want to talk about,
First of all e-killer is the best set, your second move is flexible, while most people have shadow claw, I think stomping tantrum is the better move mostly because, the only real ghost types are lunala and caly-s, but with stomping tantrum u could hit a lot more stuff for super effective damage that u can't really damage with e.speed. zamazenta, zacian, magearna, and that solgaleo that comes out of nowhere.
Arceus-Fire is absolutely goated on double sun teams, mediocre everywhere else. With support from zamazenta nothing in the format can do super effective damage to it. I have tried physical arcus Fire and ngl its really good. Natural will-o-wisp immunity and having e-speed without wasting evs is really nice.
Arceus-Dark sucks. Weak to zamazenta, which everyone and their dog uses. Weak to dazzling gleam, which mirador uses to output unholy amounts of damage. Weak to zacian but that's really not a problem. It also dies to collision course which is a real issue. Its slower than the bikes which also sucks. But stab foul play, Tailwind, tr, and being able to hit both horses for massive damage is good. I'd say it's a tier 4 mon, being a dark Type makes it too good for being UR.
Arceus-fairy is FAKE. I have fought bagel a few times in ladder where he usually beats me with a team with arceus-fairy, but it's not due to that thing. It has no real resistances in this format, and is only immune to dragon which is not really as OP as on paper. Dies to specs miraidon, Tera Fire flareblitz, takes huge damage from Tera ghost astral barrage, dies to zacian, also takes a lot from behemoth bash, and is slower than the bikes which sucks. Tera really saved it this gen so I'd say it's a tier 3 mon.
Arceus-water sucks. This prolly doesn't need more justification.
Finally arceus ground. This thing is underrated as hell. In a format with 0 bulky ground resists, and a LOT of ground weak, ground is a fantastic typing. Groudon really isn't that good due to Will o wisp, but since arceus ground is special, it doesn't need to worry about will o wisp. Judgement hits so many types for huge damage. And since it's special does almost 90% to most zamazentas. It has all the coverage it needs so I'd say it's a solid tier 2 mon.

Also I have nothing better to do rn, that's why this kinda long
 
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