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Election 2008, United States

Who would you vote for if the presidential race is held now?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 415 72.4%

  • John McCain

    Votes: 130 22.7%

  • Other (Please specify)

    Votes: 28 4.9%
  • Total voters
    573
Yeah, I don't like McCain at all, and even though I previously felt that he could beat any Democratic candidate fielded, (despite the fact that Obama hasn't looked all that special - if the GOP wasn't running like chickens with their heads cut off, they could easily rehash the "flip-flop" thing, or at least try to say that "hey he's not a "change" politiican after all!"), now it's looking like it's going to be a blowout.

Of course, McCain wasn't supposed to be in this thing about this time last year.

goodness, the more I think about these candidates the more I get scared - nanny-state guy v.s neo-con idiot guy - one of them's going to be president. The last "change" president was a disaster (G.W. Bush iirc!) - what's this one going to be like.
 
Let's update state rankings.

Safe Republican
South Carolina
Kentucky
Tennessee
Alabama
Louisiana
Nebraska-3, Nebraska popular vote
Kansas
Oklahoma
Idaho
Wyoming
Utah
Total: 73

Likely Republican
West Virginia
Georgia
Arkansas
Mississippi
South Dakota
Nebraska-1
Texas
Arizona
Alaska
Total: 83

Leans Republican
North Carolina
North Dakota (A Rasmussen poll shows Obama and McCain tied here)
Indiana
Missouri
Nebraska-2
Montana
Total: 44

Tossup
Nevada
Ohio
Virginia
Florida (A new poll shows Obama leading by 2.7; it likely would have been more if 18% of blacks hadn't defected to McCain, a rate that is highly unlikely)
Total: 65

Leans Democrat
Colorado
New Mexico
Total: 14

Likely Democrat
Maine-2
New Hampshire
Oregon
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Iowa
Pennsylvania
Michigan
Total: 77

Safe Democrat
Maine-1, Maine popular vote
Vermont
Massachusetts
Rhode Island
Connecticut
New York
New Jersey
Delaware
Maryland
Washington, D.C.
Illinois
Washington
California
Hawaii
Total: 182

Total without Leaners, Democrat-Republican: 259-156
Total with Leaners, Democrat-Republican: 273-200

An overall decline for McCain.
 
Considering that a Conservative won the London mayoral elections this year and Labour took a beating overall, your forecast might not be as crazy as many people would make it out to be.
 
I was thinking more about the fact the BNP and National Front are on the rise, Islamophobia has taken the place of anti-Semitism, misogyny and racism is still rife in politics and things are just getting worse.. even Labour has shifted to the Right - once they could at least claim to be socialist and keep a straight face, but now they're despised by the working class they sold out and still derided as 'loony lefties' by the Conservatives/Right...

we're screwed. we're really, really screwed.
 
basically every western government is frighteningly right-wing. the idea of a left-wing media/europe/world community is a ridiculous myth.
 
my god

stop saying "everything is right-wing" like it's a objective qualitatitive statement

all you're saying is that "basically every western government is frighteningly right-wing compared with me and my favorite political theory."

I can sit here and say "every western government is frighteningly left-wing compared with me and my preference for Austrian Economics", but that's pretty much useless as a point of debate.

btw aren't the Conservatives in Britain the ones who oppose wiretapping,
 
the conservatives ARE right wing - all anti-immigration, emphasis on the nuclear family, and free market ideals.

labour are moving to the right, massively so - look at them now [abolition of the 10p tax band] in contrast to their socialist ideals of the 80s. first thing the new labour leader did [and unfortunately our PM] was to declare his admiration for Thatcher. that would have been completely unthinkable under Foot.



openly fascist parties like the BNP now have a seat in the London Assembly and councillors all over the country..

this country is swinging to the right, and recent examples are suggesting the religious right at that. there's no two ways about it!
 
All of Europe is swinging to the right - France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland... Spain might be the only holdout. There seems to be a general feeling in Europe that socialist policies are stifling growth and causing Europe to become increasingly irrelevant vis-a-vis the BRIMC countries (Brazil, Russia, India, Mexico, China). So far, though, none of the European countries have found their Ronald Reagan yet - centrists are still carrying the day.

As far as the immigrant thing... all I can say is, good luck. Nationalist boundaries have been the key to a peaceful Europe (to see what happens when the boundaries are non-nationalist - see all the trouble in the Balkans). Break that down and you're back in the tense 1800's.
 
On a more on-topic note - Obama is getting crushed in Louisiana, but he is now winning fairly handily in Michigan, which is a key state. If he continues to show strength here, move this to "Likely Democratic".
 
Okay, time to update my opinions.

Safe Republican -> Likely Republican

North Dakota, South Dakota - Okay, Rasmussen is indicating that Obama's strength here (along with neighboring MT) is actually real. I still doubt Obama wins here, but these kinds of results are hard to call "safe". If more results like this pop up, they could go to leaners.

Nebraska-1 - Nothing really changed, I just realized that NE-1 is actually more Democratic than NE-2.

Likely Republican -> Leans Republican

Montana -> I said Montana likes Obama, but his strength here is surprising. We'll see if this holds up; this is a pretty volatile race.

Leans Democratic -> Likely Democratic

Michigan - Rasmussen finally admits that Obama is gaining strength here, which puts it in line with the other pollsters. Might be the Jesse Jackson thing here.


I also think Minnesota and Wisconsin are moving towards "Safe Democratic", but I'll wait for a few more polls.
 
I picked Obama.

I was going to post more, but then I saw that Deck Knight posted, and now I'm leaving the thread before I get all angry. :(
 
I'll be voting for the Green party, just like I have for the last two elections.

I'm actually a registered Democrat, but haven't voted blue once. They've been more liberal than Democrat as of late. Obama isn't as bad as Kerry was, but he's still too far to the left.
 
Mary Landrieu leads John Kennedy by 6% in Louisiana, an improvement from her last showing in a Rasmussen poll. This is significant because she does so well while McCain leads by 20% there. Additionally, Al Franken leads Norm Coleman by 2% in Minnesota. I'm sure Republicans are terrified by the prospect of a Senator Franken. Just please don't be a dork, Jesse Ventura. Please?
 
"After stoking speculation he would run against Republican incumbent Norm Coleman and former Saturday Night Live writer and radio host Al Franken, the former professional wrestler said he would not run -- unless God tells him to."-CQ Politics

Phew, that's a relief.
 
Im voting Libertarian

I am voting Libertarian a third party and here is why.
1. I don’t like or trust either of them though I’d rather have McCain in office.
2. I do not want to vote for someone I don’t honestly want.
3. I live in California and it doesn’t matter who I vote for, I know who will win in CA.
4. If I don’t vote for either I am free to complain all I want later and I DIDNT VOTE FOR THEM!

So here are the problems I have with them

Obama
Obama wants to tax the Businesses. Ok people here are the problem with that. If you tax them, they aren’t going to be missing out on too much because they won’t be the ones to suffer. No. They will take it out on A. Their workers and lay a lot of people off or B. raise prices for the consumer or C. both. Look, this is bad. The US is already losing a bunch of jobs as it is; piss off the businesses any more and we are really going to be in the shitter. And is anyone looking at the cost of EVERYTHING!!

I work at Petco, I’m in retail, and I know how it works. If the Business doesn’t have enough money to pay employees they don’t have them work. Plain and simple. If the company has to pay more for taxes and other expensive, the price of the product goes up. Its common since people, but no one can see that. His idea does not work. The bad guy is not the businesses; they are the ones that give us jobs. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Secondly, Obama wants universal health care. I have many problems and fears with this. I have had many bad experiences with doctor in my life and in the lives of friends and family and universal health care will only make it worse. Sure it works in other countries like Canada and such, but it will not work here, we are too greedy and selfish for it to work. The problem is if you are with a doctor that doesn’t really care all that much you are kinda screwed. With the way most health care plans go, you do not have too many options. You have your doctor and that’s it. Not all insurance companies want to pay for many important things like tests and treatment. If the privet healthcare that you or your employer is paying for doesn’t want to do important things like tests, why is a universal healthcare system set up with the gov going to do any better. I’m sorry but who can honestly say that gov run organizations do a wonderful job at what they do. Look at the DMV and how much of a pain that place is. I much more preferred Hillary’s plan where you can keep the health care you have and other more affordable health care is available. I’d rather pay more to insure my health then be given care I don’t trust.

Now for McCain, I just don’t like him, he isn’t a Republican at all. All he wants to do is please the people and get them to vote for him. I want a candidate that actually has something in mind and will stick to it. I just don’t like him but I’d rather see him win then Obama since those two are my only choices.
 
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