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Evil Incineroar Has to Die
- Thread starter Adeleine
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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Kangaskhan Giga Impact vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 167-197 (42.3 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
With Scrappy, you block Intimidate and Ghost immunity to Normal-type moves. Just over the line for Agent Captain, and on a ZU Pokemon to boot!
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fairy Enamorus Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fire Incineroar: 171-202 (43.4 - 51.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
Nobody's though of using Contrary yet to invert Intimidate, and Enamorus is the strongest user. If only it learned Brave Bird, you could do this:
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Flying Enamorus Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 228-269 (57.8 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
With Scrappy, you block Intimidate and Ghost immunity to Normal-type moves. Just over the line for Agent Captain, and on a ZU Pokemon to boot!
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fairy Enamorus Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fire Incineroar: 171-202 (43.4 - 51.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
Nobody's though of using Contrary yet to invert Intimidate, and Enamorus is the strongest user. If only it learned Brave Bird, you could do this:
+1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Flying Enamorus Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 228-269 (57.8 - 68.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Contrary is an interesting tech, but Incineroar could just use Blaze to not trigger the Attack boost.
Edit: incorporating Chameleon's discovery that Z-moves are more effective than a Choice Band if the move is not super strong, we can change the calculation to the following:
252+ Atk Tera Fairy Enamorus Twinkle Tackle (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Poison Incineroar: 148-175 (37.5 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Twinkle Tackle uses Play Rough as the base, and Intimidate isn't used because Enamorus has Contrary.
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I've been straining my noodle the last days to find even one calc that gives an OHKO
Looking at other raw base power nukes, I quite like these:
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Primarina Hydro Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tera Water Incineroar: 136-160 (34.5 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Inteleon can do this as well.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tera Dragon Incineroar: 139-164 (35.2 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Torkoal and PDon are stronger, but Heatran doesn't force it to use Utility Umbrella.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Ice Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 133-157 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
What base 165 Attack does to a mon.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Stellar (First Use) Calyrex-Shadow Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 133-157 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Caly-S is juuuust powerful enough to do 33% even if Incineroar doesn't Tera. If we're assuming it has to Tera, then you do 67.5 - 79.6%.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Water Primarina Hydro Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tera Water Incineroar: 136-160 (34.5 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Inteleon can do this as well.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Heatran Eruption (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tera Dragon Incineroar: 139-164 (35.2 - 41.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Torkoal and PDon are stronger, but Heatran doesn't force it to use Utility Umbrella.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Ice Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 133-157 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
What base 165 Attack does to a mon.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Stellar (First Use) Calyrex-Shadow Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Incineroar: 133-157 (33.7 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Caly-S is juuuust powerful enough to do 33% even if Incineroar doesn't Tera. If we're assuming it has to Tera, then you do 67.5 - 79.6%.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Tera Fairy Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tera Steel Incineroar: 198-234 (50.2 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
gardevoir does 50% minimum to him/her, pixilate for 1.2 boost tera, specs idk what else tldr it does 50%+ (or at least it's higher than the other submission)
gardevoir does 50% minimum to him/her, pixilate for 1.2 boost tera, specs idk what else tldr it does 50%+ (or at least it's higher than the other submission)
Sadly, mega can't use items so no choice specs
Couldn't Incineroar Tera Ghost to avoid the attack? Tri Attack is not Tera Blast Stellar so it does have an immunity. Also, you may want to give it a Modest nature to pump the damage up a bit.
252+ Atk Tera Grass Lurantis Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 151-178 (38.3 - 45.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Bloom Doom uses Solar Blade as the base attack, and Intimidate isn't present because Lurantis has Contrary.
This is slightly more damage than what Enamorus can achieve because the relatively small difference in base Attack (102 vs 115) is made up for Bloom Doom's greater power over Twinkle Tackle and Supersonic Skystrike (190 vs 175 BP).
Bloom Doom uses Solar Blade as the base attack, and Intimidate isn't present because Lurantis has Contrary.
This is slightly more damage than what Enamorus can achieve because the relatively small difference in base Attack (102 vs 115) is made up for Bloom Doom's greater power over Twinkle Tackle and Supersonic Skystrike (190 vs 175 BP).
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Flying Flamigo Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 153-180 (38.8 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-1 252+ Atk Steely Spirit Perrserker Corkscrew Crash (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 110-130 (27.9 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Tera Fire Darumaka Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 130-153 (32.9 - 38.8%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO
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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar (First Use) Dragonite Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 169-200 (42.8 - 50.7%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
Sorry here's a 4th. Basically the same genre as Solgaleo. Own Tempo Dnite.
-1 252+ Atk Steely Spirit Perrserker Corkscrew Crash (180 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 110-130 (27.9 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Hustle Tera Fire Darumaka Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 130-153 (32.9 - 38.8%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO
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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Stellar (First Use) Dragonite Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 169-200 (42.8 - 50.7%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
Sorry here's a 4th. Basically the same genre as Solgaleo. Own Tempo Dnite.
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found something else
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Miltank Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 249-294 (63.1 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
scrappy blocks intimidate and lets you hit incineroar if it tera ghosts, u use metronome to get explosion
1 for fun thing
-1 252+ Atk Tera Dark Absol Punishment (200 BP) vs. -6 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 1111-1308 (281.9 - 331.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
absol has super luck+razor claw, punishment caps at 200 bp, so if all of incineroar's other stats are +6 and his defense is -6 and you crit then that's how you ohko (you do ~70% if its +6 and not -6)
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Miltank Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar: 249-294 (63.1 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
scrappy blocks intimidate and lets you hit incineroar if it tera ghosts, u use metronome to get explosion
1 for fun thing
-1 252+ Atk Tera Dark Absol Punishment (200 BP) vs. -6 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar on a critical hit: 1111-1308 (281.9 - 331.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
absol has super luck+razor claw, punishment caps at 200 bp, so if all of incineroar's other stats are +6 and his defense is -6 and you crit then that's how you ohko (you do ~70% if its +6 and not -6)
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by the time you posted this i'd edited that my calc was illegal, yes
The current Lokix strat uses First Impression at -1 attack to make Agent status, but if you instead give up 15 power to use Lash Out, Incineroar is forced to switch to Blaze. +0 Lash Out is strong enough to make Agent Captain status:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tinted Lens Tera Dark Lokix Lash Out vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 176-208 (44.6 - 52.7%) -- 22.3% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Tinted Lens Tera Dark Lokix Lash Out vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 176-208 (44.6 - 52.7%) -- 22.3% chance to 2HKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Tera Stellar (First Use) Chien-Pao Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 140-166 (35.5 - 42.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
To my disappointment, attempting the same Lash Out intimidate punish with Chien-Pao only broke 33.2%, which is quite funny. But I realized this less interesting Stellar Tera strat would be better anyways. Sword offsets Intimidate, and Stellar has no NVE types. Plain and simple.
Edit: Not gonna make a third post in a row, but I noticed base Kangaskahn can just barely squeak out Captain while I was mucking about with M-Kang and Zacian’s inability to get past plain ol Agent with Stellar Tera. I’m not gonna submit everything with a way to tech Intimidate and an attack stat north of garbage to Agent for being able to use Stellar Terablast, but this Kang Captain seems worth noting:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Kangaskhan Giga Impact vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Rock Incineroar: 167-197 (42.3 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
To my disappointment, attempting the same Lash Out intimidate punish with Chien-Pao only broke 33.2%, which is quite funny. But I realized this less interesting Stellar Tera strat would be better anyways. Sword offsets Intimidate, and Stellar has no NVE types. Plain and simple.
Edit: Not gonna make a third post in a row, but I noticed base Kangaskahn can just barely squeak out Captain while I was mucking about with M-Kang and Zacian’s inability to get past plain ol Agent with Stellar Tera. I’m not gonna submit everything with a way to tech Intimidate and an attack stat north of garbage to Agent for being able to use Stellar Terablast, but this Kang Captain seems worth noting:
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Normal Kangaskhan Giga Impact vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Rock Incineroar: 167-197 (42.3 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO
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-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Rock Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Steel Incineroar on a critical hit: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Rampardos has 165 attack which is really high. It has high BP stab and one shots everything too.
Rampardos has 165 attack which is really high. It has high BP stab and one shots everything too.
knew something was too good to be true
Yes, I mentioned Kangaskhan a few posts above, using the exact same set! Somebody previously noted that Stoutland can do it as well and hits harder.
I found two other Lash Out users that would work:
252+ Atk Choice Band Dark Aura Tera Dark Yveltal Lash Out vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fairy Incineroar: 140-165 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Stakeout Tera Dark Mabosstiff Lash Out vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fairy Incineroar: 196-231 (49.7 - 58.6%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO - what a cursed calc! A single extra point of base Attack would bring it into Elite Agent territory. Gumshoos Stakeout CB Giga Impact would hit much harder but obviously has an immunity (still well off a OHKO).
edit: Stakeout doesn’t work this way! Oops.
Oh! I didn’t even think about Stakeout, that’s a fantastic idea, lemme just…
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Stakeout Tera Stellar (First Use) Mabosstiff Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 210-247 (53.2 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
…and it works! Say hello to a new Elite Agent! In fact, while I’m cribbing off your notes…
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Stakeout Tera Stellar (First Use) Gumshoos Tera Blast (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 197-232 (50 - 58.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Gumshoos is also pretty good at this indeed.
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252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Fighting Sirfetch’d Reversal (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tera Fairy Incineroar: 284-335 (72 - 85%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Here's a calc that doesn't have a crit. Remove choice band for stick if you want to actually KO.
Here's a calc that doesn't have a crit. Remove choice band for stick if you want to actually KO.
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Sheer Force Tera Fire Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar in Sun: 227-268 (57.6 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Found this one, still looking for others
Found this one, still looking for others