Double Chop is too risky with the 10% chance to miss.
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Garchomp
- Thread starter Rising_Dusk
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Double Chop is too risky with the 10% chance to miss.
I've found ScarfChomp to be an excellent revenge killer and all-around powerful hitter.
I'd suggest Aqua Tail as an option for hitting bulky Ground-types harder (I use Outrage/EQ/SE/AT). It's handy with Hippowdon, Desukan and Doryuuzu everywhere.
I'd suggest Aqua Tail as an option for hitting bulky Ground-types harder (I use Outrage/EQ/SE/AT). It's handy with Hippowdon, Desukan and Doryuuzu everywhere.
Using Fire Fang against Skarmony is never a good idea, unless Garmchop get boosted sufficiently and it is under the sunshine. Without Life Orb, a 252 EV Atk Garmchop's Fire Fang takes Skarmony 24.6% - 29.3% HP.
Without Choice Scarf, there are a lot of dragons in Uber those are faster than Garmchop, and easily KO it with a STAB move. Even you successfully sword dance once, it is time for Garmchop to run or die if your opponent switch any one of the pokemon in: Scarf Palkia, Scarf Dialga, Latias, Latios. Even non-dragon type pokemon like Shaymin S/Darkrai Mewtwo are easily lure Garchomp with Dark void/Air slash/Ice Beam. Without Stone Edge, Lugia is always ready to come to blow Garmchop away or 2 KO with Ice beam.
After all, Sword Dance set is not preferred in Uber anymore, especially with Yache Berry. Choice Band or Choice Scarf Garchomp is much more popular in Uber now, and it should be same in gen V, either.
Garchomp is no longer Uber. And, wasn't SDYache Chomp's most powerful set back in early DP before it was banned?
yes but in Gen 5 102 base speed is too slow to sweep without boosting. there are just too many faster threats that can outspeed and ko him.
Scarfchomp is atm his most used set atm because it is a great revenge killer he is still good just not as good as he was in DP.
SDYache was the set that broke it, and pushed it towards Uber. It just was difficult enough to out speed, and could 1 shot so much after one SD, that it just flat out broke any meta we had.
There was a suspicion that Latios would balance things out, but since it got banned to Ubers as well, there wasn't any force to counter Garchomp.
This confuses me, his sister could easily fill that role as well, as she can OHKO 4/0 Garchomp with a Timid nature and Life Orb and no boosts using Dragon Pulse.
Or do you mean by counter, equipping a dragon resist berry, coming in on outrage and then OHKO'ing. Because there Latias could fall short in that scenario, and Draco Meteor isn't reliable enough although it would OHKO without a hold item and boosts.
You got it exactly right. :)
Point was once it started on its rampage, it would take at least 2~3 pokemon down with it. Add onto that, we had to stalk at least 3 things that could kill garchomp in 1 hit, otherwise, we'd likely get swept.
Eh, using SD Haban Chomp and Yache Chomp, I've noticed something. While I see many Scarfed Sazandoras, Lati@s, and Garchomps, the only thing that has Ice Beamed me is Burungeru, who is OHKOed by Jolly +2 Outrage, as you may know, and isn't cockblocked by Nattorei with Fire Fang.
Conclusion: Haban>Yache.
Conclusion: Haban>Yache.
Da beast! Man, my favorite pokemon by far. SD-Chomp is about to tear through shiz some more this gen!
Yea, I have to agree about the berry situations right now. So far, dragons plague the living hell outta the metagame, so packing Haban is nice. IMO, I'm still stuck on Yache, but as of right now, Haban has some serious merits to helping it live longer.
Yea, I have to agree about the berry situations right now. So far, dragons plague the living hell outta the metagame, so packing Haban is nice. IMO, I'm still stuck on Yache, but as of right now, Haban has some serious merits to helping it live longer.
with the SD set there are now too many pokemon running scarf and pokemon higher than a base 102 spe. setting up SD is gonna be easy do to bulk. but with the abundance of scarfed pokemon and naturally fast pokemon like starmie w/ ice beam, and latios with outrage i would just run a scarf.
I've been using a VERY successful Sandstorm team with Yache SDChomp, and it's still killer. The hax is still amazingly annoying, and the fact that I've OHKO'd every Skarmory that's yet tried to stop me with Stone Edge is a huge boost. I've honestly been Ice Beamed more than hit with a Dragon attack, so I'm keeping Yache.
In terms of countering Garchomp, I've been using Mamoswine. I also have some other solid checks, but I don't feel like I've had to go out of my way to stop Garchomp from sweeping. That being said, when I'm the one using Garchomp, I've really felt like he was still just as powerful. I think ScarfChomp is actually less useful this generation, because so many things require an Outrage to KO and the price for being locked in to that is really high. For example, Doryuuzu gets a set-up, Mamoswine/Weavile can revenge you while you can't switch out, etc.
I've got really mixed feelings about this, so I'm sorry if I didn't seem assertive enough in my arguments.
Also, hax is still really amazing. "ZOMFG HE KILLED MY DITTO!!!!111!"
In terms of countering Garchomp, I've been using Mamoswine. I also have some other solid checks, but I don't feel like I've had to go out of my way to stop Garchomp from sweeping. That being said, when I'm the one using Garchomp, I've really felt like he was still just as powerful. I think ScarfChomp is actually less useful this generation, because so many things require an Outrage to KO and the price for being locked in to that is really high. For example, Doryuuzu gets a set-up, Mamoswine/Weavile can revenge you while you can't switch out, etc.
I've got really mixed feelings about this, so I'm sorry if I didn't seem assertive enough in my arguments.
Also, hax is still really amazing. "ZOMFG HE KILLED MY DITTO!!!!111!"
If it matters to anyone, I've had great success with SD+Yache, because of Garchomp's insane bulk, but Scarfchomp is also a very useful set.
i have a question. i run a scarf chomp and when i use chomp i see so many counters come in. i noted chomp has only 2 weaknesses. i want to know what pokemon is used effectively with chomp to completely wall those 2 weaknesses.
Agility Metagross.
Not really with all these priority moves and insanely fast things around you dont want to use SubBerry Sets.
And on the SD set i think Haban is atm better than yache as Ice Shard is non existant and Latis are propably his most common counters for now.
Scarf and BandChomp will again be most effective, IMO.
The large majority of its Dragon-type revengers really don't care about Chomp's Haban Berry.
Timid SpecsLatias Draco Meteor vs. 6/0 Chomp: (97.21% - 114.80%)
LO Timid Latios Draco Meteor vs. 6/0 Chomp: (94.69% - 111.73%)
Timid ScarfSazandora Draco Meteor vs 6/0 Chomp: (71.23% - 84.08%)
Entirely too much damage to merit the Haban berry, IMO; at least with Yache it is taking the Ice Beams off of relatively meager 236/256 SpA stats.
ScarfChomp is you want to patch up some holes, Band if you want to make holes, and SD only if you have substantial support. SubBerry sets are utterly destroyed not only by priority, but also because Spikes now seem to be significantly more prevalent than they were 4th gen.
The large majority of its Dragon-type revengers really don't care about Chomp's Haban Berry.
Timid SpecsLatias Draco Meteor vs. 6/0 Chomp: (97.21% - 114.80%)
LO Timid Latios Draco Meteor vs. 6/0 Chomp: (94.69% - 111.73%)
Timid ScarfSazandora Draco Meteor vs 6/0 Chomp: (71.23% - 84.08%)
Entirely too much damage to merit the Haban berry, IMO; at least with Yache it is taking the Ice Beams off of relatively meager 236/256 SpA stats.
ScarfChomp is you want to patch up some holes, Band if you want to make holes, and SD only if you have substantial support. SubBerry sets are utterly destroyed not only by priority, but also because Spikes now seem to be significantly more prevalent than they were 4th gen.
yeah after seeing these calcs i say screw Haban i thought he would be able to at least live through with 10-20% HP left, but since thats not the case i would go for LO or Yache.
Or as i already mentioned stick with scarf as Doryuzu pulls SD sets better off thanks to its incredible speed.
Or as i already mentioned stick with scarf as Doryuzu pulls SD sets better off thanks to its incredible speed.
I've been using SDHaban and I've found Swords Dance being rarely useful.
I mostly just attack shit, Chomp isn't really fast enough in the new metagame to serve as a sweeper without a Choice Scarf.
I mostly just attack shit, Chomp isn't really fast enough in the new metagame to serve as a sweeper without a Choice Scarf.
^ this 10 times over. SD is just too slow this gen.
scarf chomp would be more useful than band chomp and i seen on the onokusu thread a bulky dd dancer. can't garchomp play a role like that due to incredible bulk.
I agree, SDChomp was in a nice little speed niche back in Gen IV, but now we have that crazy 100-110 speedfest with Kojondo, the legendary horses and others. ScarfChomp is easily countered and walled, but still does what it's meant to do. I haven't tried Band, but I assume it'll go the way of the SD set. Slapping a Berry on might help, though. On the other hand, ScarfChomp has beter overal utility, always managing to revenge +1 Ulgamoth (which was the reason I started using it anyway).
Conclusion: ScarfChomp > All others, except maybe YacheChomp/HabanChomp.
Conclusion: ScarfChomp > All others, except maybe YacheChomp/HabanChomp.