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Garchomp's functionality in ubers
- Thread starter Yuuki-kun
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How many times do we have to tell you?
It's not the community's fault.
Our guidelines are simple.
UBER tier is where pokemon TOO STRONG FOR STANDARD PLAY are banished off to. It's very simple.
EDIT: What is "The Overall Metagame" anyways?
All you've proven is that Garchomp is competitive at both the OU and Uber level of play, which is something several OU pokemon can claim, including Blissey and Metagross. Garchomp is not detrimental to the OU metagame, it's anther pokemon that is strong and needs to be considered when building a team for OU play. It still dies to Ice moves just like Salamence, and several pokes can deal with it. Steels switch into Outrage, flyers/levitators switch into Earthquake, Mamoswine can switch in on just about everything and Shard ftw.
I don't see it as being too much worse than Tyranitar with its sandstream ability and spdef boost that goes with it, or Gyarados Taunting walls while it Dragon Dances. It's not hard to counter, but you have to be able to counter it.
I don't see it as being too much worse than Tyranitar with its sandstream ability and spdef boost that goes with it, or Gyarados Taunting walls while it Dragon Dances. It's not hard to counter, but you have to be able to counter it.
Ubers is not a "banishment tier", it's where all pokemon are allowed and anything goes. If OU is boxing then Ubers is MMA. We just call it "Ubers" because it's the only metagame where uber pokemon are allowed.
The non uber pokemon that do well in Ubers do so because the Uber metagame is overcentralized, so any pokemon that can counter at least half of the 14 pokemon that comprise the uber metagame, which happens to be mostly dragon and psychic types, will do well.
Back on topic, Garchomp is playable in Ubers, but don't expect to get more than a revenge kill. Ice Beam is pretty common.
The non uber pokemon that do well in Ubers do so because the Uber metagame is overcentralized, so any pokemon that can counter at least half of the 14 pokemon that comprise the uber metagame, which happens to be mostly dragon and psychic types, will do well.
Back on topic, Garchomp is playable in Ubers, but don't expect to get more than a revenge kill. Ice Beam is pretty common.
What I said was an oversimplification. We ban those pokemon from the OU metagame for being too overcentralizing or too powerful, and that's where the "Uber tier" comes from, a placement where you can still use these banned pokemon.
And we shouldn't be here to discuss garchomp's tier placement anyways. At some point, we may get to vote and share our opinions, like wobuffet and deoxys, but for now all we can do is play the game.
And we shouldn't be here to discuss garchomp's tier placement anyways. At some point, we may get to vote and share our opinions, like wobuffet and deoxys, but for now all we can do is play the game.
How does the community determine how strong a pokemon is too much for OU?
The overall metagame is exactly how it sounds like.
Well then, you've lost me because I have no idea what you mean by "overall metagame".
When pokemon are used in the uber metagame, it doesn't have anything to do with determining uber status.
What I was trying to say with listing the examples is that because a pokemon can perform in ubers, it doesn't make it broken for OU play, and it doesn't mean that it suddenly gets more effective in OU if a player discovers a set that works in ubers. I don't know where you're coming from on this.
When pokemon are used in the uber metagame, it doesn't have anything to do with determining uber status.
What I was trying to say with listing the examples is that because a pokemon can perform in ubers, it doesn't make it broken for OU play, and it doesn't mean that it suddenly gets more effective in OU if a player discovers a set that works in ubers. I don't know where you're coming from on this.
Imo, scarfed garchomps are the most successful. I don't think theres anything viable that can safely come into that eq or that outrage...twice (scarf) without worrying which move it makes. There is lugia though, but stealth rocks and a little weakening beforehand should do the job. Cbchomps are great and all, but it should be only good for one kill before the opponent realizes the cb and sends in a revenge killer while it outrages. Sdchomps are a close contender though....phazers and gutsy opponents being the only real stoppers (maybe extreme speeders too but meh).