This is not a comment on the move's viability or anything, but just wanting to let you know that we are in the process of changing Strange Steam (another Poison-type move) as its current effect is non-functional. If you're looking for a better poison attacking move, it will likely exist soon and this sub will be a bit redundant, so I would suggest something else.
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This is cool, however, I'm not sure how much this is going to be relevant in the meta, as many will find it challenging to slot it in their moveset, especially the Normals like Kangaskhan (since they're already immune to Body Slam). Though a Normal with high special may find value in it (Altaria?). You're looking for Pokemon with good mixed bulk that can afford the moveslot (and the turn) needed to setup this move. The challenge is that when they switch into the BSlam, they risk the para and then the move kinda becomes a dead slot. If you can find something that would use it, be sure to add it, but I'm not sure that Pokemon exists. Something like Hydreigon or Yveltal, but those are weak to Psychic so they don't want to stay in anyways. Maybe the Legendary Birds? Cloyster?Move: Crafty Shield
Type: Psychic
Power: --
Accuracy: --
PP: 24
Effect: While the user remains active, it becomes immune to the secondary effects of attacking moves. This effect can be removed by Haze.
Distribution: (?)
Justification: Handy Body Slam immunity, helps many Pokemon become more reliable as physical walls with that annoying Body Slam paralysis chance taken away, also allows stuff like Staryu to stay in against Alakazam without fearing Psychic drops.
I don't really like this. While it's not broken (Jolteon Double Kick crits can beat Chansey without saccing the Jolteon), the learnset would need to be super specific to not break the tier because it toes a fine line as it's a matchup fish move (Electrics do really well against teams lacking a Ground, this just makes it more apparent). It is kinda neat on Mr. Mime though, and its an interesting Cloyster lure for Golem.Move: Magnet Bomb
Type: Electric
Power: 130
Accuracy: 100%
PP: 5
Effect: The user faints after using this move, unless the target's substitute was broken by the damage. The target's Special is halved during damage calculation
Distribution:
Justification: Good move to bait in and remove the likes of Starmie, Cloyster and Chansey, but just like Explosion, has clear counters that can be used to play around it so it can't be spammed willy nilly.
On paper, this seems a bit ridiculous, even though it's a 30BP Bug move. This allows Escavalier to operate without its biggest flaw, and it actually uses Tauros/Snorlax as setup fodder to sweep the rest of their teams. Pinsir is in a similar spot, with the option of Binding to put targets in range. Parasect's Fleur Cannon gives it a big nuke with SD. I'm generally of the opinion that this is a bit superfluous, given that the Fleur Cannon buff is a very sizeable boost for the type, and that the SD Bug mons really have no switchins aside from Moltres and Spiritomb.Move: False Surrender
Type: Bug
Power: 30
Accuracy: 100%
PP: 16
Effect: This move nearly always goes first. (Quick Attack priority).
Distribution:
Justification: Good finisher for generally slow Pokemon that can also take Psychics by surprise.
Dragon moves are kinda weird, because they are unresisted this gen and so provide perfect neutral coverage in one move. It's an upgraded Normal-type move that runs off the other attacking stat. This move has me wary for that reason. It simplifies a lot of movesets, especially with its high BP, and removes their need to run Normal coverage assuming they have good special (which most of these do). I honestly don't think there's a place for a Dragon move in this meta unless it has some drawback (like Outrage) or is low BP with a cool effect to warrant use (like Dragonbreath). A BP nerf to 80 will make this more tolerable.Move: Flash canon
Type: Dragon
Power: 95
Accuracy: 100
PP: 15
Effect: 10% chance to lower the opponent's speed.
Distribution:
Justification: Dragon pulse but with an uncommon effect.
This is a sub that I think is trying to fix something in RBY. There are good Fighting moves in RBY, they're just on awful Pokemon. High Jump Kick slices through the Normals as one of the strongest Fighting moves. Rolling Kick has phenomenal synergy with paralysis (which is on every team), creating a ~55% chance to prevent a paralyzed opponent from acting. Both are just only on a Pokemon that dies if you breath on it. As bad as Submission is, it does find niche value on some things (not so much now with Heavy Slam in this tier on things like Poliwrath, or on Gengar to lure Chansey to KO it with Explosion). Fighting's flaw is its defensive profile: it has no defensive value outside of Rock Slide/Snarl switches and most teams have two or three mons that resist its STAB with a move to hit it super effectively. A move won't fix that, no matter how good it is, and so I think this meta needs to think about how to design a Pokemon to work around those defensive limitations. This added effect is the cherry on top, and the 10% chance to secure the 2HKO is rather meta warping (bringing in a Fighting resist that gets hit by a defense drop usually means Hyper Beam now KOs), so a different effect is needed. This will be vetoed under its current iteration.
Same thing with False Surrender. We have an actual Bug move (Fleur Cannon), and its kind of insane. Bug isn't terrible, it just has terrible Pokemon. We actually had to nerf Scizor (a Bug/Fighting mon) because its movepool and stats were too much for the tier to switch into. Bug's problem in RBY are the Pokemon: two Bugs are Poison (a type that actively makes the Pokemon worse defensively), three have no Bug STAB and the last has 30 speed (one of our FutureProofing bugs is even slower!). Design a good Bug type and things can fall into place, otherwise you're designing tools that aren't really needed (Pinsir is almost OU viable without Bug STAB and this probably breaks it. Scyther might be in a similar spot.). Lastly, both Yoshi and I are really not fans of RNG based side effects like confusion and would appreciate a different added effect.Move: Disarming voice
Type: Bug
Power: 75
Accuracy: 100
PP: 15
Effect: 10% chance to confuse the opponent
Distribution: All bug types +
Justification: Literally signal beam and bugs deserve an actual move.
Very interesting idea! I am a little wary of it as a panic button on fast mons like Whims/Gar, but it's burn (which is bad) and it needs applications to warrant using. I'm not sure what all you would actually want burned other than Tauros (who you'd also want to paralyze), as paralysis has more universal application. I imagine we'll keep hashing this out on the discord.Move: Fiery Wrath
Type:
Power: --
Accuracy: 90%
PP: 15
Effect: Burns the foe
Distribution:
Justification: Burn is pretty awful in Gen 1, so having a move that just does that is pretty unimpressive, but burn still has some merit, notably neutering Tauros in case a lot of your team gets paralyzed, which makes it absolutely certain that it can't clean up, and being able to burn physical attackers that are immune to Thunder Wave or don't care about being slower like Steelix, Rhydon, and Snorlax. Just be careful using it so you don't accidentally burn a Chansey
I'm not sure where this fits in the meta. Obviously the big thing is that it has PP equal to Softboiled for stalling Chansey, but I think Chansey stalls you out faster. That said, I think Jynx right now is showing why giving special breakers tools to break Chansey easily is kind of a problem, because nothing else really walls the onslaught of special breakers if Chansey is easy to remove. I feel like right now we should be working on preserving Chansey's place in the meta.Move: Metal Sound
Type:
Power: --
Accuracy: --
PP: 10
Effect: Shares HP of user and target equally. (Pain Split effect)
Distribution:
Justification: (Resub) First things first, the flavor for this is that both Pokemon are subjected to a grating noise and thus they share the pain. Flimsy for sure, but it's there. Anyway, Pain Split is a super powerful effect in a generation dominated by two high HP Pokemon, essentially being a Super Fang against Chansey and Snorlax sometimes. This is huge for Special Attackers that'd otherwise struggle to break through Chansey and weaker attackers that can't KO Snorlax through its Rests and Reflects. Also provides an alternative form of recovery, making bringing Lax and Chansey in dangerous. However, with such a powerful effect, we do have to be very careful with what gets it, so I opted for lower ranked/unranked mons that are mostly Physical Attackers, leaving out some future gen Pain Split users like Starmie, Gengar, and Spiritomb since it could be too powerful on them, especially the latter since it already abuses Lax so well. Also would be very funny to give to Chansey, since 99% of the time you're healing the foe. Biggest benefactors from the list are Magneton, who can consistently chip Chansey and Rhydon/Steelix down until it can eventually break through them with Gear Up boosts, Ninetales, who can be a menace with Fire Spin + Metal Sound, and Escavalier, who can run Substitute to avoid paralysis from Body Slam and then heal off the damage later
I'm not quite sure where this fits in the meta. I know I mentioned with Flash Cannon that Dragon moves are kinda weird, and both Dragon moves here are opposites of each other. I don't think most of the Pokemon that get the move would use it (Seadra/Arcanine are bad; they need coverage for Waters and Double-Edge actually outdamages Spirit Break on both of them. The rest don't have the moveslots to afford it.) Hydreigon could likely use it, but it becomes too annoying to break with Twave + Recover and so probably won't get it. I feel like the potential for the effect is definitely here, but I'm not sure if we have the Pokemon that could use this yet (maybe on some Bugs since they come in on the Normal's EQ).Move: Spirit Break
Type:
Power: 60
Accuracy: 100
PP: 15
Effect: Lowers the foe's Attack by 1 stage
Distribution:
Justification: Might scrap this, but for now, this is a counterpart to Snarl, a physical move that lowers Special, being a special move that lowers Attack. Obviously Snarl has a stronger effect since it essentially lowers two stats, but Spirit Break is still a nice deterrent to physical attackers while not having to status them with Fire moves, allowing you to both paralyze them and cripple their Attack stat. Also, it's a STAB move for Dragonite, but I doubt it uses it. Arcanine and Aerodactyl having both Spirit Break and Snarl is funny
These moves are identical and so one of them needs to be changed. Either of you can change your sub to something else, but these two need to be different. After 24 hours if neither is changed, Redwood's Crafty Shield will be vetoed.Move: King's Shield
Type:
Power: -
Accuracy: -
PP: 16
Effect: Prevents moves (including status) from effecting the user this turn. Doesn't fail. +4 Priority.
Distribution: Universal
Justification: Funny mg1 move go hard
Strange Steam will now be a 70 BP move that uses the user's Special Attack instead of Attack in damage calculation - This allows many of the Poison-types that learn it like Hydreigon, Venusaur, and Tentacruel to use their higher SpA stat to power this physical move. Golduck can also use it as a way to break through Chansey with Amnesia sets and beat opposing Amnesia users, which is cool even if it's probably still worse than Poliwrath in this role Escavalier's Speed will be increased from 20 to 60 - This guarantees the crit on Slash, just barely giving Escavalier the strongest Slash in the game (about 1% stronger than Persian's), and allows it to Substitute up on Snorlax, which was already its main niche. Should be a MUCH more threatening mon now Jynx will lose Fake Tears - Fake Tears made an already annoying Pokemon even more annoying as it's a nightmare to switch into, so this reverts it back to how it was before Hydreigon and Tapu Koko will lose Recover and gain Soft-Boiled - This slight nerf just makes these two easier to deal with in the long run. Koko can no longer outstall Snorlax with recover, making its weak Attacking stats more of a weakness, while Hydreigon becomes easier to break through in the long run Yveltal's Special will be lowered from 131 to 98 - Yveltal is extremely fat, so even with its horrible typing, it could be a pain to take down. This Special nerf will make it a lot easier for moves like Psychic or Blizzard to break through it
Tapu Koko feels a bit too powerful as of right now thanks to its Speed tier and support movepool. The combination of Nature's Madness, Thunder Wave, and Soft-Boiled allow Koko to be an absolute nuisance to teams, since most teams still run the Big 3 and thus half of your team is threatened by Koko at all times, even with Heavy Slam being very weak, and most checks hate TWave or Nature's Madness. Soft-Boiled is also big for Koko, as it allows it to come in and out often to use Nature's Madness and TWave and threatening the Big 3 for the whole game despite its poor typing. However, Koko does have a lot of checks in the form of recovery Psychics, Hydreigon, and Flying-types like Yveltal, so it might not be broken per say, just that its presence may make teams stray away from the Big 3 model, which we have to decide if that's a good or bad thing. After the nerf from Recover to Soft-Boiled proved ineffective, we're considering removing Soft-Boiled, as the complete lack of recovery makes Koko a lot easier to deal with in the long run without it ravaging a team with Madness and TWave. Other options could be to just remove TWave or even Nature's Madness, as insane as removing its signature move would be Yveltal is another potential concern, as even with the Special nerf it just got, it's still exceptionally bulky and still able to dish out lots of damage solely due to Steel Wing being a great move and Yveltal's 131 Attack stat. Yveltal does have some counterplay even considering the risk of Steel Wing Defense drops, like Tyranitar, Skarmory, Steelix, Cloyster, and Zapdos, but it would feel a lot more comfortable to check if Steel Wing Defense drops weren't a factor, since super common Pokemon like Starmie, Reflect Chansey, and Reflect Snorlax could take it on. Thus, we're considering doing something about Steel Wing to nerf Yveltal. This could mean either removing Steel Wing from its movepool or getting rid of the Defense drop effect (though this would nerf other Steel Wing users, namely Altaria). Other options include further nerfing Yveltal's stats, though this would conflict with Yveltal's concept of being a statstick Escavalier needs more testing, but we probably did go overboard with the Speed buff. While 60 is the minimum for guaranteed crits on Slash, considering Escavalier's other qualities, it probably didn't need that much Speed. I would like to see it in action more before doing anything, but I personally think that it should at least be slower than Chansey Fleur Cannon has been brought up many times as a possible concern, though in practice the move hasn't been able to do much. I believe that the above 3 are more pressing issues right now, but Fleur Cannon will be on our radar, especially since the presence of Yveltal and Koko contribute to Fleur Cannon being less of a concern right now, though it's worth noting that other healthier additions contribute to this as well, like Spiritomb and Skarmory Certain moves could potentially be redistributed to better Pokemon now that we have more of an idea of where they fit into the metagame, the main one by far being Crafty Shield since, I have to admit, its suggested distribution was gutted for a niche at best move. 
In the meta overall, it feels like the Big 3 are still very highly recommended, but not absolutely required as multiple factors have nerfed them. While this was very likely to happen anyway because we're adding so much, in my opinion doing our best to preserve the dominance of the Big 3 makes jumping into the metagame much easier for both newcomers and RBY veterans alike, so if we recognize why the Big 3 are potentially worse now, we can patch up those problems so they don't get worse later. Like I said, they still feel like top tier Pokemon, just less than before, especially Chansey and Tauros, with the former not liking the influx of bulky physical attackers that abuse non-Reflect sets and the latter not liking multiple bulky Pokemon that stop it from cleaning as easily and both them getting absolutely bodied by Koko. Snorlax is more or less in the same spot as it was before, just being a bit annoyed by stuff like Heavy Slam users, Escavalier, and Steel Wing users
cool mon. interesting movepool. heavy slam calcs are a little crazy so i would suggest lowering defense to 95 to not completely nuke Chansey.resub
Pokémon: Duraludon
Category: Steel
New Type: Rock / Dragon
Stats: 70 / 95 / 115 / 110 / 85
New Moves: Earthquake, Ice Beam, Flamethrower
Removed Moves: Thunder Wave
Competitive Overview: swords dance sweeper, having sadly its two STABs be Snarl and Rock Slide, wich arent too bad since its offensive stats are good, and its defensive stats as well. it has alright coverage in ice, electric and fire, and earthquake if you go solely physical. Heavy Slam also gos off its highest stat, defense, wich hits 115, wich is quite nice. Slash probably wouldn't be much useful, but it gets that.
Slash needs to go as its way too strong off of this attack. The movepool is also pretty insane with Thunder Wave, Ice Beam, and it's a bulkier Tauros. I would say Thunder Wave and Slash need to go and drop HP/Def by 10, and we might be able to keep it around.
Pokémon: Obstagoon
Category: Dark
New Type: Fighting / Normal
Stats: 93 / 90 / 101 / 60 / 95 (439 BST)
New Moves: Heavy Slam
Removed Moves: Low Kick, Snarl, Lash Out
Competitive Overview: Obstagoon is able to challenge Tauros, while unlike Tapu Koko and Scizor, not being vulnerable to paralysis from its Body Slam. Heavy Slam threatens a 2HKO on Tauros, who can do relatively little in return. However, Obstagoon is a fair bit weaker with its own Hyper Beams and Body Slams, and it suffers from a poor Special and a weakness to Psychic.
This is broken in pretty much every sense of the word, and I really don't think there's a way to fix it without completely redoing the mon. Its bulk is astronomical in the tier. I would say HP needs to drop by about 30 points, defense by 10, and Ice Beam, Thunder Wave and Heavy Slam need to go.
Pokémon: Melmetal
Category: Steel
New Type: Electric / Poison
Stats: 125 / 133 / 133 / 75 / 34 (500 BST)
New Moves: Sludge, Gear Up
Removed Moves: Self-Destruct
Competitive Overview: Incredible stats and physical bulk, but you're double weak to Earthquake and your mediocre Special and Psychic weakness means you need to watch your back. If you can manage that, Melmetal is a good paralysis spreader, carries a potent Heavy Slam, and can switch in on Steel Wing and threaten out even Zapdos and Dragonite thanks to Ice Beam. Gear Up is nice, but you're so slow it's risky.
This is the best defensive typing in the game, and 121 special with Recover and Growth makes it pretty much invincible once it gets going. Recover and Growth need to go.
Pokémon: Alcremie
Category: Fairy
New Type: Normal / Ice
Stats: 75 / 60 / 75 / 121 / 64 (395 BST)
New Moves: Growth, Ice Beam, Blizzard, Mega Drain
Removed Moves: Fake Tears
Competitive Overview: Stats are just okay, but a very nice typing (something that would never again be said of Normal / Ice), high Special that can be boosted with Growth, and access to Acid Armor and Recover should let Alcremie carve out a niche. Mind the Fighting-types though.
special is a little too high here. drop it by about 10 points so it doesn't completely demolish gengar with a critfuck you sneasel’s back
Pokémon: Sneasel
Category: Dark
New Type: Ice
Stats: 55 HP / 95 Atk / 55 Def / 75 Spc / 115 Spe (395 BST)
New Moves: Lick, Night Shade
Removed Moves: Everything from later gens
Competitive Overview: They say that the definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, but I actually changed something this time. I underestimated the capacity Sneasel could have with its initial role in a meta with fewer mons and no Special split. With an 95 and 75 in offensive stats, you may not think too much of it at first, but its 115 in Speed allows for some funny Slash shenanigans, and a STAB Blizzard’s nothing to sneeze at.
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Pokémon: Hoopa-Unbound
Category: Dark
New Type:
Stats: 30 / 255 / 50 / 255 / 90 [680 BST]
New Moves: Dragon Rage, Lick, Seismic Toss
Removed Moves: Thunder Wave, Hyper Beam, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Thunder Punch
Competitive Overview: Yveltal needs their bestie hoopa-u in the metagame
Confusion, Double Team, Dragon Rage, Dream Eater, Flash, Lick, Light Screen, Psybeam, Psychic, Reflect, Rest, Seismic Toss, Substitute, Taunt, Thunderbolt, Toxic
This sub was unfinished, so it can't be voted on without being finished
Pokémon: Klefki (W.I.P.)
Category: Fairy
New Type: Rock / Ghost
Stats:
New Moves: Confuse Ray, Lick, Snarl, Rock Slide, Rock Throw, Wrap
Removed Moves: later gens, Psychic
Competitive Overview:
110 Attack on something with Swords Dance and STAB Hyper Beam is way too powerful, since +2 Hyper Beams would basically OHKO the entire tier after a little chip damage. I recommend making this pure Fighting and/or removing Swords Dance
