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Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread

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That Noob said:
It seems offense rules NU; I threw together 6 sweepers and am doing pretty well. stuff like gorebyss, klingklang, and altaria rips stuff up. Also, CB slaking is pretty much guaranteed to OHKO somethng every time it comes in.
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Interestingly enough, there are several players in the top ten who run stall. The biggest reason why you're not seeing a lot of stallish teams yet is because the metagame is still relatively undeveloped, imo; personally, I run into new threats almost every single time I start a new battle. Things like Scarf Pinsir have completely derailed my offensive team simply because I kinda forgot Pinsir was even in the tier. XD

Offensive teams will probably still be dominant for a while until the meta settles down and people have identified and separated legitimate threats from random, somewhat-effective 'mons.

Brophlosion said:
Not with Sableye walling everything.
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I've seen very few Sableye, to be honest. And I think the only time I do see it is one person running it over and over. Maybe it's just me but it seems like people are avoiding it and rather playing around with the huge variety of the tier.

jas61292 said:
I said it in UU, but no one listened. And I didn't blame them.
I said it in RU, but most people brushed it aside. And I swept them.
Now I'll say it in NU.

Use Scarf Braviary.

Outspeeds everything it needs to, has great power, and all the coverage a scarfer needs. It might not be the most threatening Pokemon in the tier, but I have yet to find anyone else that can do its job as well up in RU, and it has been even more amazing here.

If you are not going to scarf it, Swellow give major competition with its massive guts power and natural speed. But it lacks the pure power of Braviary, and thus is unable to revenge faster things like Scarfiary can. It also can't take a beating like Braviary.

Seriously people. Just try it. I don't want this awesome pokemon to get less use than it deserves.
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Braviary is definitely a big threat, and honestly probably one of the best scarfers in the tier. I have yet to try it but since my dominant flying resist is Magneton (and I need it to check so many other things like Klinklang...) it really does a number to my team.



On another note I've actually been using Camerupt to some moderate success. It's been a fairly reliable check to some of the prominent Electric-types like Eelektross, Zebstrika, Emolga, and Magneton. It resists Electric/Fire coverage and then is neutral to HP Ice. Plus it can hit surprisingly hard, though it's hardcore walled by Slowking, though that wasn't really unexpected. It can also run enough speed to outrun min Spe Lanturn although I have no idea what other people run on Lanturn so I haven't really tried to stay in and Earth Power Lanturn. Maybe it'll come in handy someday.
 
Has anyone else been using pseudo-EnduReversal Sawk (Scarf Sawk with Reversal)? I've swept with it easily late-game after the opponent's priority abuser is gone (and even if its still alive, Spin support can bring it back in afterwards), and Its pretty much the main reason I got to the first page on the ladder.
 
Well, choiced Fighting moves kinda suck because it's an open invitation for Sableye to just swap in and wreck havoc. But he's definitely leaving NU (and maybe even RU) sooner or later, in which case Scarf Reversal Sawk actually sounds pretty cool.

On the topic of Sableye, there are very few other viable Ghost-types available in NU. This is a MAJOR reason why stall isn't seen very often in the first place. You need a spinblocker for stall, and you need something that also can block Sableye from wrecking your whole team. I guess Lampent might be able to absorb a WoW but it's dying to a super effective STAB. This means that all NU Stall teams should run something like Natu, which is not a very effective way of keeping hazards out. I mean, I guess it's somewhat effective, but Stall teams are based on the premise of reduced predictions. Natu requires a lot of prediction.

This lack of Ghost-types are also why Normal types will reign supreme in NU after Sableye is gone. You need Steel-types (which doesn't exist other than Klingklang, Magneton, and Rock/Steel mons), Rock types (Again, those Rock/Steel mons and Regirock) or Ghost-types (No defensive Ghost-type after Sableye leaves the tier). Unless you carry a Regirock, Normal / Ground coverage will wreck just about everything.

I mean, I guess people will come up with things sooner or later. The metagame is really really undeveloped, and it's kinda fun to play around it.
 
waterwarrior said:
Has anyone else been using pseudo-EnduReversal Sawk (Scarf Sawk with Reversal)? I've swept with it easily late-game after the opponent's priority abuser is gone (and even if its still alive, Spin support can bring it back in afterwards), and Its pretty much the main reason I got to the first page on the ladder.
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ME. I HAVE. Holy crap, great to see someone who runs it too.
 
SubCM Serperior is fun to play around with, it suprises the opponent. Giga Drain is a pretty good way to recover of the damage from Sub.
 
im guessing you have a moveset of
-reversal
-close combat
-stone edge
-filler

and because it has the ability sturdy, you spam close combat until u get to styrdy and then use reversal
 
Oh...
I'd assume you switch in, constantly use Reversal, with it gaining more power every turn the opponent attacks. Is Sawk really that bulky?

edit: Ok, so bluemon ninja'd me, and reminded me of Sturdy...

Silly me.
 
Oh ok.

I don't like the set much now tbh because of lol SR. But I suppose you're going to have the support of someone who can effectively take out ghosts anyway for scarf reversal, meaning you should be able to spin somewhat effectively. And yeah, Sawk can act as a generic revenger until he's all "fuck it" and switches into a brave bird so he can reversal the tier to pieces.

But still, lol SR.
 
Hmm really? There's a bunch of pokemon that can set up SR really well. I personally like Gigalith as a pseudo-lead because of dat sturdy.

And yeah there aren't many viable ghosts. In terms of defensive ghosts, Frillish stands out, what with its stats, typing and recovery potential, but it's offensively limited :(
 
As said by bluemon, if hazards are up, spam CC or coverage move (personally I use EQ for the filler, yes I know Fighting + Ground gets redundant, but it doesn't really have much of a movepool...), but if they aren't (also, why the hell aren't more people using hazards? I see the opponent use hazards maybe 1 out of maybe 3 or 4 games, the heck is with that?), switch in on something that will OHKO you, it won't cuz Sturdy, then screw shit up with Reversal. Yes, its screwed by Sableye and Haunter... but that's why its a late game sweeper XD


Also, Roselia. Man is it underrated. When it can take a freaking Gardevoir's Psychic and set up the always-amazing Spikes and TSpikes, it deserves to be used more. Sure, it doesn't stay alive forever (no recovery outside of Leech Seed), but it sets up for me fine.
 
Oh yeah, I remember using Roselia back in DPPt NU. It really does get so much better with Eviolite, and it's not like it's incredibly niche, what with that SpA stat. It works well as just a generic grass-type in any defensive core. Roselia should always run Giga Drain btw, and there's some recovery there.

Pulling off Sturdy-Reversal seems too difficult in practice really, but of course it doesn't hurt to have Reversal as a fourth move on any CS set, since Sawk's movepool is so limited. What it comes down to, I guess, is whether or not Scarf Sawk is worth a spot on your team. Reversal is more of a bonus.
 
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