It lacks Focus Miss and 105 Speed is high but not high enough considering you have stuff like Persian and Scolipede to be scared of, not to mention that you don't outspeed 110-119... Hell a speed tie with Electabuzz could potentially give you a run for your money.
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Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread
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Kadabra is strong, but it has the same problem Jynx does: absolutely horrible defenses, even if you use Eviolite. Jynx is a bit weaker, but has a nice immunity to switch in on, a reliable Sleep move (as far as Sleep moves go) and a fantastic secondary STAB. If I need a frail, powerful psychic type, I'd probably go with her.
Stealth Rock weakness doesn't help her. Having to waste a teamslot for something like Wartortle just so you can have spinning for Rocks-weak Pokes is a waste to me. Unless you're using Armaldo as a spinner, which is a-okay cause he's a stud.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3927815#post3927815
The RU leaders have decided to kick Alakazam and Sableye to BL2.
As Sableye was in NU before this, Sableye is no longer legal in the NU Tier, due to having been kicked up to BL2.
All of a sudden, those monsterous physical sweepers in NU just threw off their last shackles...
The RU leaders have decided to kick Alakazam and Sableye to BL2.
As Sableye was in NU before this, Sableye is no longer legal in the NU Tier, due to having been kicked up to BL2.
All of a sudden, those monsterous physical sweepers in NU just threw off their last shackles...
OK, referring to a post from the last page here:
I can't tell you how much I hate this thing.
From what I have seen, it is a very bulky and reliable Spikes/TSpikes setter and usually runs moves like Giga Drain/Sludge Bomb/Leech Seed/Aromatherapy/Synthesis and other annoying stuff.
And man. It manages to be a huge threat to each of my teams.
It basically doesn't have anything to fear from bulky waters (except Slowking's Psyshock), so can switch in with impunity, set up and disappear at the slightest hint of danger (if you've read some of my rather impulsive rage posts on PO, you can imagine how I feel about this mon ;] ).
Anyway, have fun spinning its hazards away. I don't.
Speaking of spinners, there are remarkably few in this tier, the most notable ones being Torkoal, Armaldo, Cryogonal and Wartortle. And guess what - 3 of them are weak to Rock(s), which makes it pretty hard for them to come in. And apart from Cryo, they lack recovery apart from Rest and Lefties, so I actually can imagine hazards wrecking in this tier.
I've even thought about a hazard stall team with something like Power Gem Misdreavus or Rock Slide Golett as its spinblocker, although I don't know how viable it sounds.
Just my 2 cents on Roselia (who unfortunately isn't underrated at all, but pretty common :[ ) and spinning in NU.
I can't tell you how much I hate this thing.
From what I have seen, it is a very bulky and reliable Spikes/TSpikes setter and usually runs moves like Giga Drain/Sludge Bomb/Leech Seed/Aromatherapy/Synthesis and other annoying stuff.
And man. It manages to be a huge threat to each of my teams.
It basically doesn't have anything to fear from bulky waters (except Slowking's Psyshock), so can switch in with impunity, set up and disappear at the slightest hint of danger (if you've read some of my rather impulsive rage posts on PO, you can imagine how I feel about this mon ;] ).
Anyway, have fun spinning its hazards away. I don't.
Speaking of spinners, there are remarkably few in this tier, the most notable ones being Torkoal, Armaldo, Cryogonal and Wartortle. And guess what - 3 of them are weak to Rock(s), which makes it pretty hard for them to come in. And apart from Cryo, they lack recovery apart from Rest and Lefties, so I actually can imagine hazards wrecking in this tier.
I've even thought about a hazard stall team with something like Power Gem Misdreavus or Rock Slide Golett as its spinblocker, although I don't know how viable it sounds.
Just my 2 cents on Roselia (who unfortunately isn't underrated at all, but pretty common :[ ) and spinning in NU.
So... who trolls as well as Sableye? Or just is a good replacement for it? Help ;~;
Monstrous physical sweepers? Like what? There isn't much.
Well the only other Pranksters in the tier as far as I know are Murkrow, Volbeat, Illumise, and Cottonee, so no real replacement their as far as I can tell, and all the remaining ghosts and darks in the tier fill different roles. Murkrow would probably be the closest thing to a Sableye replacement, and even it can't come close to what Sableye could do. So amazing what one tiny change can do to a Pokemon, especially to something Gamefreak seemed to hate so much last generation back when they gave it Stall as its signature ability.
Have you even been playing this teir? Obviously, monsterous is relative to the teir, but NU was physically dominated sweeper-wise, and with Sabeleye gone, this is gonna get even more pronounced.
Literally all of the sweepers are physical attackers. Klingklang, Altaria, Ursaring, Rhydon, and many other Rock Polish/Swords Dance attackers. And trust me when I say that all of these pokemon are monsters in this teir [Sabelye walled the common Ring set with it's typing]. Hell, my most sucessful NU team just sticks 6 physical threats on a team, and wins through sheer beatdown force... although I don't have to use Rapidash anymore, I guess. Without decent physical walls in the teir, the tanks just crumple.
There are comparitivly few special attackers, and about the only special sweeper is Shell Smash 'Bass. When you think of NU special attackers... you think of Choice Scarf Haunter... which isn't a sweeper.
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Also, Evolite 'Krow is actually almost as godly as Sableye when it comes to stopping physical attackers. It's got a wider bag of tricks to dip into as well. FeatherDance, Taunt, Toxic, Perish Song, Mean Look, Tailwind, Haze [Something 'Eye wishes it had]. The only thing it really lacks is burns... but Featherdance is 100% reliable, and, as mentioned before... Mean Look.
Uh...apparently I haven't, because I've seen maybe one Altaria and only a couple Klinklang. I've NEVER seen an Ursaring, and the only Rhydons I've seen were bulky and set up rocks. If anything, the most common physical sweeper is Swellow, who wasn't stopped by Sableye anyway. And I've gotten like 4 alts to the top 20, so I think I've been playing quite a bit and against some good players..........
So basically, Sableye wasn't really doing anything in this tier anyway. Not that I was noticing, anyway. Good team building helps. He was more effective in RU, where there are actually good physical sweepers like Honchkrow.....
I've never been swept by Altaria, But i've seen my share of Kingklang's and Sawk's.
I have. Limi posted a set earlier in the thread, and it is very underrated. It's a special set with DMeateor and Power Swap
TBH, that set has its problems. You either lack the power or the bulk to pull off a sweep, whereas you lack the PP for a more supportive role.
It's best used as a stop to set-uppers, I guess, especially CM/NP or shell smash. And from my experience, you seriously, SERIOUSLY need an alternative attacking move (DTail could work if you can snatch attack boosts). I don't know how you can optimise such a set, but I still think it's a very nice (and fun) idea.
Also TG Volbeat.
so I've been playing this tier quite a bit recently; it's fun. essentially, it's a bunch of really OP sweepers in a tier with absolutely no walls. sawk in particular is the closest to ever being banned, IMO. I haven't seen anybody try alomamola (which walls it as well as klingklang quite well), but I hope somebody does.
I've been abusing a trick room team to great success. Trick Room/Destiny Bond Banette still catches many people off guard and lets me get a quick KO on a potentially annoying threat to my team. It also runs Magic Coat to let me nab obvious rocks early in the match.
For Secondary Trick Room set up I've been running Eviolite Lampent and Life Orb Beheyeem, who both absolutely run over teams.
My Abusers are Swords Dance Ursaring and Swords Dance Rhydon, who can both break through walls so the other can sweep(I have yet to find something that can stand up to both of them)
Really Trick Room has exceeded my expectations because so many people are running fast frail sweepers it gives me many easy wins.
If anyone else uses Trick Room what set up mons and sweepers do you use?
For Secondary Trick Room set up I've been running Eviolite Lampent and Life Orb Beheyeem, who both absolutely run over teams.
My Abusers are Swords Dance Ursaring and Swords Dance Rhydon, who can both break through walls so the other can sweep(I have yet to find something that can stand up to both of them)
Really Trick Room has exceeded my expectations because so many people are running fast frail sweepers it gives me many easy wins.
If anyone else uses Trick Room what set up mons and sweepers do you use?
Gorebyss has naturally low speed and huge wrecking power while in Trick Room, and it has the possibility to Smash and sweep more after TR is down.
Meh. I wouldn't say there are absolutely no walls, considering we have several good bulky waters in this tier (Poliwrath, Quaggy, Alomomola, Lanturn, Slowking, Wartortle...), bulky grasses (Cradily, Roselia, Tangela) and many Eviolite mons with insane defenses like Rhydon or Metang. Combine this with all the good support mons (Gardevoir, Lickilicky, Altaria, maybe Flareon) and you are able to stand up against the myriad of sweepers. Of course offense prevails, but defense can hold its own (the lack of spinners helps it a lot).
Ultimately, this is NU we are talking about, so offense and defense aren't as fine-tuned towards each other with coverage and stat issues on the one hand and iffy typings (or variety thereof) on the other, making them clash pretty awkwardly. I'd agree with you that offense has the upper hand here, but it's not like defense stands no chance.
I can not agree more with Breludicolo, as a lover as Sawk myself, it's beaten by many many Scarfers, prediction (they're all Choiced. All of them), priority, and hazards really mess it up, and there is no spinning here.
Has anyone tried out Exploud? It's got solid HP and attacking stats from both sides of the spectrum, and a movepool out the kazoo. It's also got Scrappy to nail the rare Ghost. It's slow though, which makes it a great TR wallbreaker.
Really though, Return, Hyper Voice, Earthquake, Ice Beam, Rock Slide, Surf, Fire Blast, Hammer Arm, all from 91 base from both sides along with potential 101 Subs? I'm susprised people haven't given it a second glance.
Really though, Return, Hyper Voice, Earthquake, Ice Beam, Rock Slide, Surf, Fire Blast, Hammer Arm, all from 91 base from both sides along with potential 101 Subs? I'm susprised people haven't given it a second glance.
Technically, so can Kangaskahn, it learns Surf. Floatzel can too. [In fact, all Water types can... albeit, with Hyper Beam]
Not saying they're good at it. Kanga has a laughable Base 40 Sp.atk.
But, yeah, I wouldn't write off Exploud as a mixed attacker, but, personally, I'd rather use something like Rapidash... with all the Rock-types in the teir, Normal really isn't that good. Still, he has his niche. [Not like Rapidash is much better against rock types... but I smash them apart with Ursaring anyway]
And, hey, he could be a Perish-Song Proof BP receiver.
I think there's a few special sweepers, but people just haven't really explored them yet. Magmortar has the potential to rip stuff up in this tier with Flame Charge / Fire Blast / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Ice and a Life Orb... I can't really think of much that could stand up to it. Calm Mind Gardevoir is probably also pretty good, especially if it can come in on things like Rapidash and Flareon and use a boosted Hidden Power Fire alongside Psychic and Shadow Ball or Focus Blast. OTR Slowking and Exeggutor also have good potential to rip things up.
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