General News Discussion Thread

[Ashaebi]

So, it was announced that Boris (Conservative party) will become Prime Minister of UK quite soon.
And the opposing parties (Labour and Lib Dems) had been calling him Nazi, Trump's friend and all sorts of things.
They are also organizing protests against Boris.

At this moment unless youre an sjw or a far left progressive no one cares whatever 'isms' and whatever 'phobias' the left can drop on them. They have been resorting to playing the name calling game and pulling whatever intersectionality card for so long those words kinda lost their meaning. The average commoner isn't buying into it anymore its getting old and lame. The public and even the ethnic minorities wanted to leave the EU and it couldn't be any more clear. Well at least BBC doesn't want you to know that.

Tbh if I was a brit I'd prefer nigel farage to be Teresa May's successor, he is extremely compassion to make a hard exit and a hard one ASAP but I think Boris can get the job done within the upcoming deadline.

 

[GatoDelFuego]

BORIS JOHNSON WILL MAKE BORIS ISLAND REAL!!

 

[Alan]

Tbh if I was a brit I'd prefer nigel farage to be Teresa May's successor, he is extremely compassion to make a hard exit and a hard one ASAP but I think Boris can get the job done within the upcoming deadline.

Assuming that Brexit needs to happen. A hard Brexit will be awful for the UK. I live here now and there is a massive divide among leavers as far as no deal/deal Brexit. Brexit is a whole new can of worms that can easily be it's own thread, but the tl;dr is if a no deal brexit happens at say 11:59pm, then at 12:00am, imports grind to a halt, food spoils in port, there will be a massive food shortage, a massive medicine shortage, pretty much a shortage of everything that isn't produced in the UK (which isn't a whole lot, relative to the whole of the EU). Trade deals take YEARS to negotiate, and BoJo somehow thinks his distrustful, bumbling ass can accomplish a years worth of work in like 100 days. It's insane.

This is also completely ignoring that Brexit doesn't even need to happen. Parliment can just say, "yeah, this was all a bad idea, we're not doing this anymore" and it's perfectly legal, because referendums in the UK aren't legally binding, they are basically just petitions that Parliment has to pay attention to (since they've ignored all the anti-Brexit petitions since then). The courts also ruled that Brexit was basically built on lies (which it was) but because they don't have a system like Sweden, where referendums are binding, but if found to be based on lies or disinformation, they are re-done, the UK gov't didn't need to do much about it, and subsequently didn't.

Boris is basically a Donald Trump clone without the racism. He is opportunistic, has no real convictions or beliefs, and only speaks rhetoric rather than real, concrete ideas or substance. Nobody even knows his real plans other than vaguely make Britain like it used to be before the Tories fucked it over with austerity measures and ruined millions of lives. Anyway, yeah. Neither Boris or Hunt were good choices (none of them were, since they're all Tories), but Boris is far and away the worse of him and Jeremy Hunt. Going to be an interesting few months, that's for sure.

 

[Ashaebi]

Assuming that Brexit needs to happen. A hard Brexit will be awful for the UK. I live here now and there is a massive divide among leavers as far as no deal/deal Brexit. Brexit is a whole new can of worms that can easily be it's own thread, but the tl;dr is if a no deal brexit happens at say 11:59pm, then at 12:00am, imports grind to a halt, food spoils in port, there will be a massive food shortage, a massive medicine shortage, pretty much a shortage of everything that isn't produced in the UK (which isn't a whole lot, relative to the whole of the EU). Trade deals take YEARS to negotiate, and BoJo somehow thinks his distrustful, bumbling ass can accomplish a years worth of work in like 100 days. It's insane.

This is also completely ignoring that Brexit doesn't even need to happen. Parliment can just say, "yeah, this was all a bad idea, we're not doing this anymore" and it's perfectly legal, because referendums in the UK aren't legally binding, they are basically just petitions that Parliment has to pay attention to (since they've ignored all the anti-Brexit petitions since then). The courts also ruled that Brexit was basically built on lies (which it was) but because they don't have a system like Sweden, where referendums are binding, but if found to be based on lies or disinformation, they are re-done, the UK gov't didn't need to do much about it, and subsequently didn't.

Boris is basically a Donald Trump clone without the racism. He is opportunistic, has no real convictions or beliefs, and only speaks rhetoric rather than real, concrete ideas or substance. Nobody even knows his real plans other than vaguely make Britain like it used to be before the Tories fucked it over with austerity measures and ruined millions of lives. Anyway, yeah. Neither Boris or Hunt were good choices (none of them were, since they're all Tories), but Boris is far and away the worse of him and Jeremy Hunt. Going to be an interesting few months, that's for sure.

Naaaaah the EU is absolutely evil. Please leave and take your country back Brits.

People have had enough of a second globalist government telling what you can and can't do with your own nation.

 

[Shrug]

what eu dictates do you disagree with ashaebi?

 

[Ashaebi]

what eu dictates do you disagree with ashaebi?

For one uncontrolled mass immigration caused quite a bit of headache to the point even Angela Merkel needs to admit the following 'multiculturalism has utterly failed'. She's not alone. Why is Europe somehow responsible for allowing the massive influx of immigrants anyway? Have you seen exactly how many terrorist attacks, homelessness and human fecaes that are on the streets of France and Germany ever since 2015 where the mass immigration movement began? Ya quite a massive surge too.

Surprisingly Poland is the only European nation that has yet to accept a single refugee and guess what? ALSO zero terrorist attacks.Good for them. They were defiant to the EU regulations and that defiance paid off.

Even the dalai lama demanded that Syrian immigrants as well as many from the middle East and North Africa go home and he's right. Uncontrolled mass immigration will ruin Europe. Europe doesn't want them. Its quite obvious the EU has no interest in 'protecting the wellbeing of migrants' because most EU elites live in gated communities with high security levels on their property and very few foreigners in their district anyway. Only doing it for the migrant votes. Bloody hypocrites.

The problem with mass immigration and uncontrolled borders isn't exclusive to an European problem too. For one if you have seen the recent world news Hong Kong, the city i grew up in exploded with violent riots and clashes between protestors and police and even mainlanders because Hong Kongers had enough with being controlled by the communist Chinese government after Britain handed them back to China back in 1997 but established the one country two systems principle that will expire in 2047 to ensure Hong Kong still has their own sovereignty. Even Taiwan does NOT want anything to do with China. Also Australia is about to deport mass levels of kiwis (new Zealanders) back to New Zealand because of crime despite the UN constantly pressures them not to. The Europeans responded first by the French yellow vest protest which many other European nations followed suit which is still going strong for 8 months

So ya uncontrolled immigration and lack of sovereignty IS a massive problem and people around the world have had enough of a second government controlling what they can and can't do with their own nation and borders

 

[Shrug]

so it’s the one then

 

[tcr]

Even the dalai lama demanded that Syrian immigrants as well as many from the middle East and North Africa go home and he's right

Please don’t use His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s words for your soundbite

“When refugees from other countries have come to Europe, it’s wonderful that Germany and other European countries have given them help. However, I think that most of those refugees think of their own lands as home, but just now there is lots of killing, bullying and suffering there. That’s why they escaped. So, in the short term, European countries should provide them with shelter, and should particularly provide children with facilities for education and training, including mechanical training, for the young people. The aim is that they should eventually be able to return to rebuild their own countries. That has been my view right from the beginning.”

 

[orch]

Right, to temporarily stay in European countries. Not to immigrate.

 

[Asek]

where to begin

For one uncontrolled mass immigration caused quite a bit of headache to the point even Angela Merkel needs to admit the following 'multiculturalism has utterly failed'. She's not alone. Why is Europe somehow responsible for allowing the massive influx of immigrants anyway? Have you seen exactly how many terrorist attacks, homelessness and human fecaes that are on the streets of France and Germany ever since 2015 where the mass immigration movement began? Ya quite a massive surge too.

i googled to try find the quotes of merkel saying that. I found this article from nearly a decade ago (aka before the 2015 'mass immigration movement'). If I'm to be charitable it looks like she said something similar in 2015. But I think when Merkel says 'multiculturalism has failed' she isnt saying 'stop immigration' which seems to be why your bringing it up. shes touching on whether assimilation (trying to make the out group conform and become like the existing populace to the point of becoming indistinguishable from them) or integration (accepting the out groups culture / traditions and allowing or even encouraging their preservation and become accepted as a part of the societal fabric) should be encouraged for incoming german migrants. its not like these discussions are unique to germany, another example of this dialogue occured in Indonesia with their ethnic chinese minority. her stance from these quotes seems to be the former, but nowhere is she advocating for migration to stop - germany allowing for workers from across the EU to continue to come and work / live there as well as the acceptance of a sizable number of syrian refugees seems to support this.

you go on to say terrorism has been rising since 2015 when the 'mass immigration movement' began, the implication from my reading is that you think refugees are causing terrorism to happen. do you want to show the data your using to support this? how many terrorist attacks are you talking about? is there really a significant # of refugees performing them or are other groups involved? there is an increase in 'jihadist terrorism' but is the cause refugees or is it because this is when isis was in full swing and trying to radicalise people? I think theres been fewer significant terrorist incidents in germany committed by refugees in this period than you can count on one hand from my recollection but once again, im interested to see where you're sourcing this. show me the data for people shitting on the streets whilst ur at it.

Surprisingly Poland is the only European nation that has yet to accept a single refugee and guess what? ALSO zero terrorist attacks.Good for them. They were defiant to the EU regulations and that defiance paid off.

the mask kind of slips a bit here. if refugees are the ones causing terrorism ashaebi then wouldnt we expect the countries hosting the majority of the refugees (ill clue you in its not continental europe) be inundated with terrorist attacks from refugees? has every country accepting refugees been confronted with a terrorist attack? there may even be explanatory factors for why terrorists arent targeting poland and the eastern bloc generally speaking aside your weird implication refugees are secret terrorists. for example people (particularly in the anglosphere) dont care as much about a terrorist incident in an eastern european nation like they do in a western one, making them less desirable to target. just a bit of speculation on my behalf.

Even the dalai lama demanded that Syrian immigrants as well as many from the middle East and North Africa go home and he's right. Uncontrolled mass immigration will ruin Europe. Europe doesn't want them. Its quite obvious the EU has no interest in 'protecting the wellbeing of migrants' because most EU elites live in gated communities with high security levels on their property and very few foreigners in their district anyway. Only doing it for the migrant votes. Bloody hypocrites.

proven to be twisting words above

The problem with mass immigration and uncontrolled borders isn't exclusive to an European problem too. For one if you have seen the recent world news Hong Kong, the city i grew up in exploded with violent riots and clashes between protestors and police and even mainlanders because Hong Kongers had enough with being controlled by the communist Chinese government after Britain handed them back to China back in 1997 but established the one country two systems principle that will expire in 2047 to ensure Hong Kong still has their own sovereignty. Even Taiwan does NOT want anything to do with China. Also Australia is about to deport mass levels of kiwis (new Zealanders) back to New Zealand because of crime despite the UN constantly pressures them not to. The Europeans responded first by the French yellow vest protest which many other European nations followed suit which is still going strong for 8 months

dont see how hong kongs situation is relevant to mass migration at all, kind of a shitty situation but modern hong kong hasnt really ever been entirely soveriegn - it was a colony and now its a special administrative region within china. its status of semi-independence has been contingent on its overlord allowing it. roc and prc relations are deeply complicated due to a number of reasons and are once again, pretty tangential to whatever point you were trying to make. australia deporting new zealander nationals who are long time residents when they commit crime here is a pretty bad policy but ultimately dont expect much more from the liberals and im unaware of any un pressure on them to stop. regardless of how poor it might be, its not a mass deportation that is about to happen its something that the liberals have been doing over time for a while. the yellow vest protests are about a lot more than 'sovereignty' and 'immigration' so dont know really what this whole paragraph is getting at. people get angry sometimes at things they dont like....?

So ya uncontrolled immigration and lack of sovereignty IS a massive problem and people around the world have had enough of a second government controlling what they can and can't do with their own nation and borders

wonder how people who live in countries where america has either directly or indirectly forced regime changes feel about this.

somehow worse than usual posts over the last page by u ashaebi but my estimate is that ur just regurgigating what someone else is saying almost in totality (explains why ur posts often go onto weird tangents so often and use of specific language like how everything is a 'card') and id like u to at least share whos opinions ur spewing out.

 

[Pyritie]

Naaaaah the EU is absolutely evil. Please leave and take your country back Brits.

People have had enough of a second globalist government telling what you can and can't do with your own nation.

please point out on the doll where the EU touched you

 

[Cresselia~~]

please point out on the doll where the EU touched you

There are reports/ claims from Brexit supporters about EU wasting money on translators who translate for a few days, but take the salary of a whole year, something like that.
And that they claimed that Brits have to pay hefty amount of cash to the EU.

I can't remember the details though.

 

[Pyritie]

There are reports/ claims from Brexit supporters about EU wasting money on translators who translate for a few days, but take the salary of a whole year, something like that.

And?

And that they claimed that Brits have to pay hefty amount of cash to the EU.

Yes, paying money to the EU is part of being in the EU, and we get much of that money back from the EU as well.

 

[orch]

Pyritie made a conspiracy theory claim that Ashaebi regurgitating opinions when all you do is parrot the mainstream pro-EU consensus.

It's difficult to formulate a cohorent arguement against someone when all they do is make empty and hypocritical personal attacks.

 

[Ashaebi]

This is precisely why I no longer trust a single word that comes out of BBC and most mainstream Western news outlets and ESPECIALLY polls and you should too. They are lying to your face trying soooo hard to push this globalist agenda that people both Liberal and Conservative have had enough. If you thought every single yellow vest protestor around the world are 'far right nationalists' then you are absolutely wrong. Both left and right are teaming up in Paris because Macron is literally loathed by pretty much everyone in France. This is also the same in Canada. Yellow vestors are indeed right leaning but you'd be surprise to see how many moderates and even Liberal leaning individuals are joining the movement too.

Gotta respect the French to keep it up for 8 months straight and still going. #vivalafrance

Let's not forget the mainstream polls we're sooooo wrong about the 2016 election in America, they were wrong about brexit, here in Australia every mainstream poll predicted labor (the left wing party of Australia will win) but Scott Morrison (the centre right candidate) completely defied the polls and now Boris Johnson is the new PM. The only accurate mainstream poll that accurately predicted the victory of a nation's governor recently is Jair Bolsonaro from Brazil and I gotta say he makes trump look like a soy boy in comparison.

Are you seeing a pattern here? People around the world are rejecting globalism in droves and trust in the mainstream media is like free fall. 2 million Hong Kongers are saying no to the Chinese government extradition Bill and Taiwan are also actively resisting communist control.

So ya brexit is gonna happen sooner or later. Because with some common sense and decency there really is no reason NOT to. Like have you seen how large are the pro brexit rallies compared to the anti brexit rallies? And can you blame them?

 

[Cresselia~~]

And?

Well, if that was true then it sounds kind of elitist as opposed to the socialist approach EU is currently trying to promote.
Because if true, these translators are being way too priviledged and receive money for doing close to nothing.

Not like I'm sure it's true anyway.
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To be honest, I think young immigrants can benefit Germany in the long run, even if they are staying in Germany.
Once they reach legal age, they can be working on the blue collar jobs that average Europeans refuse to do.
Germany needs young, working people.

 

[Ashaebi]

If you show evidence of assimilation to the German culture, meet a certain threshold regarding academic qualifications AND show evidence you have something to contribute to society I see no reason you shouldn't be allowed in tbh.

But ONLY if you show objective evidence of course. This can be met via merit based immigration systems and meet the required merit threshold. Studying English for me initially wasn't easy but thank goodness today my English is better than my home mother tongue.

 

[tcr]

If you dont know whether its true or not then why spread the narrative? wouldnt it be prudent to provide news sources in the General News Thread or to do your own research?

In addition Ashaebi do you have any interest in engaging with questions put forward by Asek, or in providing sources for any of your arguments? This is not the first time that you’ve gone on tangential rants when confronted. Fine, you dont trust mainstream media or polls or whatever, so what sources do you trust? If youre going to make a claim (“have you seen exactly how much terrorist attacks, homelessness, or human fecaes are on the streets of France?”) then provide a source, especially if when confronted your rebuttal is “i dont trust the source you provided.”

 

[Ashaebi]

If you dont know whether its true or not then why spread the narrative? wouldnt it be prudent to provide news sources in the General News Thread or to do your own research?

In addition Ashaebi do you have any interest in engaging with questions put forward by Asek, or in providing sources for any of your arguments? This is not the first time that you’ve gone on tangential rants when confronted. Fine, you dont trust mainstream media or polls or whatever, so what sources do you trust? If youre going to make a claim (“have you seen exactly how much terrorist attacks, homelessness, or human fecaes are on the streets of France?”) then provide a source, especially if when confronted your rebuttal is “i dont trust the source you provided.”

If you want my honest opinion accurate news sources are virtually non existent as of 2019. But if I HAVE to pick something I'd def pick a far right outlet like breitbart or fox news than a far left outlet like Cnn or buzz feed (which is also sacking staff left and right and even CNN admits this).

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/23/media/buzzfeed-layoffs/index.html

Not saying they are perfect, far from it in fact cuz they too want to spread their Conservative agenda but at least conservatives out less are less likely to lie and later be exposed of from my experience at least.

Also I find it very strange why WOULDN'T your blood boil or feel disappointed the very least if you know CNN WAPO and other news outlets deliberately lied about several things including the false hate crimes I stated preciously. Isn't it the sworn duty of all journalists report what's factually accurate regardless if it is convenient or not to their political beliefs/agenda? What is this profession if this very core value is no longer upheld?

Also I'm really not alone because at least 70% of Americans will agree with me. That's the super majority of the nation. But let me tell you this is definitely not exclusive to America.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/394352-poll-72-percent-say-traditional-outlets-report-news-they-know-to-be-fake-false?amp

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wash...americans-really-feel-about-mainstream-media/

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/randy-hall/2019/02/28/poll-media-trust-hits-bottom

Sorry to disappoint you and burst your bubble but only a small minority will take the press literally as of 2019 and you can't blame any of us. Not the slightest

 

[Pyritie]

Like have you seen how large are the pro brexit rallies compared to the anti brexit rallies? And can you blame them?

Have you?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-people-live-updates-article-50-a8836386.html
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...to-march-for-peoples-vote-london-live-updates

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584

But if I HAVE to pick something I'd def pick a far right outlet like breitbart or fox news

lol

so you won't provide any evidence to back your own claims and dismiss everyone else's points even if they do back them up, and your argument is "bUt NoBoDy TrUsTs tHe MeDiA except breitbart of course because they agree with me"

Well, if that was true then it sounds kind of elitist as opposed to the socialist approach EU is currently trying to promote.
Because if true, these translators are being way too priviledged and receive money for doing close to nothing.

Not like I'm sure it's true anyway.

Ok, but I don't see how that's relevant to the UK leaving the EU. Yeah it's an abuse of bureaucracy if it's true but a few salaries are a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of euros that get tossed around between EU members.

 

[orch]

Well, if that was true then it sounds kind of elitist as opposed to the socialist approach EU is currently trying to promote.
Because if true, these translators are being way too priviledged and receive money for doing close to nothing.

Not like I'm sure it's true anyway.
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To be honest, I think young immigrants can benefit Germany in the long run, even if they are staying in Germany.
Once they reach legal age, they can be working on the blue collar jobs that average Europeans refuse to do.
Germany needs young, working people.

And this is why people are disliking globalism. The labor arbitrage hurts the host civilians, drains laborers from their home nations, and only provide short term benefit for massive corporations.

 

[Cresselia~~]

Why would it hurt host civilians if the immigrants are only taking on jobs that average Europeans refuse to do?
I'm talking about blue collar jobs like chicken sexing, janitors, etc.

Ok, but I don't see how that's relevant to the UK leaving the EU. Yeah it's an abuse of bureaucracy if it's true but a few salaries are a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of euros that get tossed around between EU members.

Because UK still hasn't left the EU yet, and that this problem (if true) started before Brexit was a thing in the first place.

But I get what you mean.
Most people who supported Brexit were anti-immigrants.

 

[earl]

ALL NEWS IS FAKE

(except ones that currently strengthen my position)

 

[GatoDelFuego]

If you want my honest opinion accurate news sources are virtually non existent as of 2019. But if I HAVE to pick something I'd def pick a far right outlet like breitbart or fox news than a far left outlet like Cnn or buzz feed (which is also sacking staff left and right and even CNN admits this

Ok lol stop posting for real

This whole brexit convo can stop too

 

[orch]

Why would it hurt host civilians if the immigrants are only taking on jobs that average Europeans refuse to do?
I'm talking about blue collar jobs like chicken sexing, janitors, etc.

Because the immigrants are willing to accept lower wages to do these jobs due to economic differences between countries. Average Europeans are willing to do these jobs, when the pay is fair.