Yeah, I guess Kyogre is fine in 4 star. It can still completely stomp you if you don't prepare for it or have a bad typing vs it, but it has indeed got a poor matchup vs several Pokemon in 5 star, especially with PDon's recent rise. It's also completely Genesect U-turn bait from my experience, who outspeeds even scarf Kyogre, if Genesect is itself scarfed.Quick turnaround, but the opinions have been mostly unanimous on these and the ladder only lasts for a few more days, so I'm making the following changes:
4★ -> 5★
4★ -> 3★
3★ -> 4★
3★ -> 2★
While P-don has its flaws, I'm going to bite the bullet and raise it simply due to the fact that you can't under-prepare for it without paying the consequences. This, in my opinion, makes it similar to Arceus. Both are held back by their monotyping to some degree, but the strength of the god itself (along with pretty solid support options to cover its weaknesses, like Lopunny for Arceus and Gastrodon for Groudon) make their teams really scary to face. As people have pointed out, P-don also has pretty good matchup against a lot of the other gods right now, so I think a raise to 5-star is in order.
Still on the table for changes:
4★ -> 5★ = Hesitant because of its relatively poor matchup against two other 5-stars. Honestly its probably near the top of its current rank, but I think its flaws should keep it in 4-star for the time being. I'm not above changing my mind, however.
2★ -> 3★ = They just need more discussion, although no one seems to be using them. Poison is staying where it is.
4★ -> 3★ = Reshiram has been barely discussed in the thread despite its 4-star ranking. Honestly, despite being a relatively rare Fire type god, I'm not sure how much that's worth in the current metagame -- Fire has pretty poor matchup against a lot of the top gods, especially with the decline of Steel-based ones. Many of the dominant Fire types in OU that you'd want to use, like Charizard and Talonflame, already fit onto other teams thanks to their dual typing. Plus, Dragon has a lot of other options as far as gods are concerned. I'm not dead set against dropping it, but I would like a bit of discussion on it.
??? = I don't really think MMX should outrank its fellow forms now that it lost its niche of providing a Fighting type to its team structure. Psychic/Fighting with a physical slant is a solid niche, to be sure, but you can fulfill the same role by putting Medicham or Gallade on a normal Mewtwo team, and by choosing MMX you lose the option of having one of the most powerful and versatile special Psychic types in MMY and normal Mewtwo. I'd like to discuss: is MMX overrated in 3-star, or are one/both of the other forms underrated in 2-star?
3★ -> 4★ = Recently discussed for a raise -- the post is a few above this one.
I'll be updating the replays shortly, stay posted.
EDIT: Replays updated.
On Reshiram, I honestly feel Kyurem White may be better now - Kyurem's Ice typing means it's got a great matchup vs Yveltal and Mega Salamence, both of which are still pretty good, the latter especially. Dragon hammers Palkia and a Kyu-White's Draco will still hammer even Sp.Def PDon pretty darned hard. From the Gene v Kyu-W replay I posted, it's non-stab neutral attacks hammer some Pokemon very hard - Fusion Flare almost OHKOd Klefki behind Light Screen - Sure, it must have been specs, but still. Dragon/Fire is nice STAB coverage, true, but Kyu-W has Dragon/Fire coverage on top of Ice Beam, as well as a better matchup and Pokemon that are more difficult to squeeze on other Gods. I also feel Reshiram is honestly the worst in 4 star - Not sure about MMaw as I've not seen it, but Reshiram is probably the worst in 4 star. It's one of the few Ubers who is D rank in Ubers who's not there because Primal Groudon, who, speaking of which, is now 5 star. Kyu-W just honestly does Reshiram's job of a special attacker much better.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 331-390 (81.9 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 286-339 (70.7 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Primal Groudon: 220-261 (54.4 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO - Technically a 3HKO because of the Draco meteor sp.atk drop but whatevs
Now on Double Dance PDon (just the Rock polish one from the Calc defaults)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 104 HP / 96 SpD Primal Groudon: 420-495 (114.4 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 104 HP / 96 SpD Primal Groudon: 364-430 (99.1 - 117.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Turboblaze Kyurem-W Draco Meteor vs. 104 HP / 96 SpD Primal Groudon: 280-331 (76.2 - 90.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO -
252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-W Fusion Flare vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Klefki through Light Screen: 247-291 (77.6 - 91.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I've not seen any Mewtwo forms, but I guess MMTwoX is probably the best because it's not mauled by Scarf Krook and has the most balanced overall bulk. Sure, it's physical movepool is meh, but coming off 190 attack, I doubt you'll notice the difference. 130 speed is iirc the second highest speed of all Gods, beaten only by the non Defense-Deoxys forms and MMTwoY. Not sure what rank it'd be, probably 3 star, with the others maybe being 2 star due to being "worse". iirc, that's what they already are, so they're fine.
I've already given my fair share on Lando, so anything I say will just be unecessary thread clogging, unless I come up with something revolutionary that makes it better than all of 4 star.
Oh yes, I accidentally posted that Palkia v PDon replay twice :3 Sorry, was tired. I only realised it after I couldn't get to a computer. Oops :P