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"We founded ArenaNet to innovate, so Guild Wars 2 is our opportunity to question everything ... If you love MMOs, you'll want to check out Guild Wars 2, and if you hate MMOs, then you'll really want to check out Guild Wars 2."

so i'm actually pretty glad there's no guild wars 2 thread yet, as it lets me go a little nuts with introducing this game to people

no doubt if you're already an mmo fan you'll have heard of guild wars 2, so feel free to skip ahead to the specifics. if not, however, the simplest way to introduce the game is probably to define it as an mmo that seeks to uproot and do away with everything that mmos are infamous for -- endless, mindless grinding, static worlds, dull combat -- while building on the excellent foundations of the mmo concept

so how does it seek to accomplish that?

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i'm told these guys are kind of a big deal


the premise

probably the most obvious difference between gw2 and other mainstream mmos is the lack of questing. there's no "talk to x, hear about the bandits attacking his y at z and head over to see them all standing around". instead, upon arrive in a given zone, a scout will be on hand to inform you of the situation in the area. your map (which is gorgeous, by the way), is pulled up and several problem areas are highlighted for you. which, if any, you tackle is up to you, and you can veer off and assist with anything that catches your eye en route

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"uhh, are those some giant fucking heads? lol, i don't care what you say dude, we are checking out those giant fucking heads"

one of the things that developers spoke about in an interview was how it seems strange in mmos, thanks to the static nature of the worlds, to be headed to help out somewhere under the pretence of being a hero and notice on your way bandits attacking a farm by the wayside. chances are you're going to skip out and not do anything about it, because in reality those bandits will always be there, and so hunting them down becomes pointless. in turn, you ignore the npcs crying for help, and by extension you're really not much of a hero after all

this is not so in gw2. running over a hilltop you might catch a band of centaurs closing in on a farm, or better still, running rampant over a farmstead in flames, which really lets you swoop in and do your thing -- because there are consequences if you don't. these dynamic events are tracked alongside the rest of the goings-on nearby, and you can happily not assist with defending a given location and watch it fall into enemy hands. if the area is still in a bad way when you come back later, you can assist npcs and other players in fighting to regain control of the land and pushing whatever the threat is back. often this isn't even done by meeting a predetermined kill count requirement, but instead tracked by the morale of the enemy. you needn't hunt down every last one but rather beat them back just enough to send the remainder packing, whether its bandits raiding a settlement, centaurs razing a farmstead or bears trashing beehives for honey (i'm not kidding)

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yeah, it's a lot easier to look badass and peerless when you're about a thousand feet away from the enemy​

this philosophy carries over to larger scale events, too. there are instanced dungeons and bosses in the game, but there are also zone-wide boss encounters that everybody working in a given area is called to help fight off. there's no need to queue or sit around in a city hub shouting "LFM!!"; you can just as easily stumble into a cave and discover an enormous number of players getting stuck in on a giant cave troll that sends them flying back out with sweeps of its arms. for the particularly large encounters the music and camera change dynamically, panning out to give you a true impression of the scale of the encounter and kicking the score into something suitably dramatic. the preparation and gearing up for the infiltration of a dungeon is great, but so too is the panic of an impromptu disaster that needs shutting down

oh, and there's no dedicated healing class, and everyone can resurrect other players

heh

the story
set 250 years after the events of the first guild wars, a lot has changed in tyria. the previously dominant humans are in severe decline, with krytans and their capital, divinity's reach, serving as the last bastion of humanity. filling the void in power are several of the races encountered in gw1, now playable -- the charr, the norn, and the asura. joining this ensemble of races are the sylvari, previously unseen

so what's kicking in tyria, then? the main thrust of the overarching story is that the elder dragons, beings with power equal to or exceeding the gods the humans worship have awoken after a long slumber and are wreaking havoc. the most imminent threat, apparently, is a dragon the dwarves called "zhaitan", and it is this dragon, presumably, that will serve as endgame content at the initial launch

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so apparently when this fella awoke he like sundered the earth and caused tidal waves that wiped out coastal settlements. sure, it is a little familiar, but did deathwing command an undead naval fleet?


aside from this overarching game-wide story, the developers have gone to great lengths to make the story of gw2 feel like the player's story first and foremost. to that end, character creation involves making several choices about your character's life up until this point that one by one build up an image of who you really are in this game world. what this amounts to is a questline potentially unique to you that runs the length of the game and is shaped piece by piece by the choices you make as you progress. within the player's home city each player has an instanced home, and players of the same race may at first start out with identical home instances but soon have vastly different homes as reflections of their journeys and the stories of their character

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it was always fun for sarah to group with john, but his personal story "I MUST WEAR A BEAR SUIT EVERY HOUR OF EVERY DAY" did get a little grating

the races
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"with the roar of engines and the thunder of guns, we rip each day from life's teeth"​
charr​
The feline charr of Tyria are a victorious race challenged by their own success. They have survived defeat, oppression, and civil war. They have returned, reconquered, and rebuilt their original homes. Their mighty fortress, the Black Citadel, dominates the surrounding ruins of the human city of Rin, and their non-magical technology is the mightiest in the land. Yet despite their success, they are challenged by divisions among their people, the power of the Elder Dragons, and the ghosts of their own victories.

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"if you are bold enough, your legend will live forever"​
norn​
The norn are a race of valiant, shape-changing barbarians. Boisterous, strong-willed, and passionate, the norn are an independent people that swear fealty to no single being. They thrive in their mountain stronghold by the sharpness of their senses, the quickness of their wits, and the strength of their massive forearms. They are guided in this world by their Spirits of the Wild, who embody the virtues of the mightiest beasts. As a people, they are quick to anger, even quicker to smile, and treat each new day as a personal challenge. They drink and feast and hunt with equal gusto, and fear few things. They are steadfast allies and implacable foes.

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"evil threatens tyria, but our dream will guide us through darkness... to dawn"​
sylvari​
The sylvari are an enigma. Humanoid in form, plantlike in nature, they are recent arrivals in Tyria and have roamed the world for only twenty-five years. They are all born of a single parent—the mighty Pale Tree that dominates the Tarnished Coast. They are bound together with a common origin and a shared dream. No one knows why they have suddenly appeared in Tyria, least of all the sylvari themselves, and they seek to discover their purpose in the world. Of all the races, they have the greatest appreciation of the danger posed by the Elder Dragons; the sylvari battle the undead minions of Zhaitan on a regular basis.

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"brain, not brawn, will change the world"

asura
The diminutive asura are the smartest people in Tyria. Just ask them; they will tell you. Once, they were the undisputed masters of a powerful underground civilization, but were driven to the surface by the Great Destroyer, the herald of the Elder Dragon Primordus.

Since their arrival on the surface, however, this long-eared race has prospered. Initially squatting among the ruins along the Tarnished Coast, their mastery of arcane forces has allowed them to regroup, rebuild, and tame this new, savage world. Now their mystic technology is found across the continent, and other races view the asura with a respect they feel they deserve. Yet even as they succeed, their accomplishments are threatened by internal conflicts, personal pride, and individual greed.

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"... we fight for our homes, our gods, and our queen. nothing can break our spirit"
human​
The humans of Tyria are an embattled race. Over the past three hundred years, they have lost much of their territory. Old enemies and new races threaten traditional human lands on all sides. Yet the human race survives, defending their remaining lands and maintaining the human spirit as they have for centuries. Their greatest city, Divinity's Reach, shines as a beacon of hope for the people of Kryta and beyond--even those dwelling deep within charr territory. The human legends are indelibly imprinted on the souls of all the races of Tyria, be they friend or foe.
 
also i have combed over the code and idg why the hide tags for races are fucked up but WHATever

anyway this post reserved for an overview of classes and professions
 
and this one reserved for an enormous screendump and the beta weekend experience of yours truly

stay tuned!!
 
Looks pretty cool, I'd get it for sure if my computer could run it -_- I'll probably end up upgrading soon anyhow
 
I think this looks a lot of fun, I used to play a lot of WoW and the simplicity of the combat system until later levels is part of the reason I quit.
I'm looking forward to this game a lot, they're incorporating a lot of somewhat "gimmicky" ideas, but based on gameplay and reviews that I've seen, they're working. I'd really recommend checking out TotalHalibut on YouTube, he's done a lot of in-depth coverage regarding the game, and he's definitely helped in my wanting to get this game. Very very interested in seeing where they go with it.
Also no monthly fee.
So there's that.
 
Ever since I realized all MMOs are essentially the same, I haven't been a huge gamer. So I didn't put up a fuss when my parents insisted a get a mac (this computer is SUPPOSED to be for school). I'm dying inside because I will miss this game :[
 
The hell. I'm just a lurker but I'm like the only one here that plays GW2?

The BWE was fun bro. Got to test out builds and such. I narrowed it down to 3 builds-either shortbow ranger, longbow ranger, or shortbow thief. An improvement over my 7 or 8 classes before the BWE.
 
Guild Wars 2 is the first MMO I've ever been excited about enough that I want to play it. Let's hope it lives up to the hype.
 
I got a chance to play it this weekend. I bought the game to play WvWvW but because of the high volume of connections I was unable to get on the server with my friends. Instead I decided to check out their scenario system. Rolled a Thief, Warrior, and Guardian.

Playing as a Thief was fun. I had a ranged snare and a few blinks which seemed overpowered. Like the Guardian I didnt mess around much with the gear, traits, and skills.

Warriors are broken. Its that simple. My friends and I were all getting 8k-10k crits on Warriors. I was going to run a glass cannon spec originally but running around with 12k HP isnt appealing to me.

My final build on Sunday was pretty sweet tho. I had something like 18k HP, 51% crit, and 83% crit damage. I was using an Axe/Mace + Greatsword weapon set. The axe/mace set gave me two armor debuffs and a ranged snare which was super sweet. The GS helped me AoE but it also had a ranged snare and a teleport that hit really hard.

Initially not having a lot of abilities like I was used to in Warhammer and SWTOR was unappealing but once I figured out that swapping weapons was just as good I got over it. The sigils? for 100% crit on swap combined with the +30% damage are really broken.

I did no PvE though, I have no intentions of participating in any of it unless I am required to.

The game also ran pretty smooth for me. I played it on my laptop which has like 1gb of vram, 4 gigs of ram, and an i3 something.
 
Not excited at all for it. Dynamic events never end up being fun in the long run and PVP is the reason most MMOs suck.
 
I was wondering when this thread would be made. I finished building my new computer on the Friday JUST to play Beta Weekend Event in time. I cut it pretty close, but at least I managed to play through-out the whole weekend.

I mainly focused on WvWvW, using up 3/4 of the weekend playing my Ranger. Unfortunately, I was playing for my server at all the wrong times during fluctuation and didn't even get to take one keep (which sounds ridiculous since I played WvW for something like 18 hours). The other 6-7 hours I spent doing a bit of PvE in the Charr starting zone with my Thief, which I enjoyed slightly more than my Ranger.

Will post more tomorrow, especially on my thoughts about PvE.
 
Not excited at all for it. Dynamic events never end up being fun in the long run and PVP is the reason most MMOs suck.

I didn't exactly like the Dynamic event system in here. I expected too much from it, I guess.

The storyline is decent. It gets a lot better at level 10.
 
bump... anyone gotten the game?

I haven't yet but after watching a few streams and reading up on some of the mechanics I am tempted. Living up to the hype, or still too early to say?

From what I've seen, Warrior and Guardian are pretty OP, Engineer and Thief are pretty under powered but all classes seem playable despite balancing issues.
 
I like the idea of megabosses you can fight with other people without formally forming a party.

I was worried when a couple people above me mentioned not being able to play it or upgrading their computer, but Can You Run It says my laptop passes with flying colors so maybe I'll give it a try.
 
The last time I posted in this thread was just after the first BWE, which seems like a hell of a long time ago now. On the topic of "living up to the hype", nothing ever does (unless you keep a realistic view). People boost a game to an unreachable level that it can never possibly reach and are then disapointed with the end product.

I've been playing since the first few minutes of headstart and I'm currently a level 60 Ranger on the server Gandara. The quest system is wonderful, the game is actually semi-differcult and the game focuses on skill instead of gear; everything I could ever want in an MMO (and the PvE is actually massively multiplayer, instead of grinding solo quests). I'll be playing GW2 for a very long time to come and I hope some of you join me too.
 
The game isn't graphic intensive and you can run it on just about any modern desktop or laptop.

I also agree with Skytt. The questing in most MMOs is trivial, boring, and repetitive which makes leveling a pain in the ass but with Guild Wars 2 you can level by doing just about anything from class quests, gathering, crafting, and PvP. I don't know if I am getting nerdier or if it is just because I am getting older but I can actually appreciate the sequence of dynamic events in some of the zones.


As far as the PvP goes I have thoroughly enjoyed the structured warzones since everyone is on an equal ground with gear and ability. Presently, it appears to be that the ranged magic classes, Mesmer and Necromancers, are on top of the food chain. Warriors and Guardians were very strong during the beta events but multiple nerfs have drastically reduced the Warrior's ability to put out a ton of damage while Guardians have retained their survivability.

I'm not saying Warriors are gimp now because Hundred Blades still hurts a fuck ton if you get caught in it (seriously, it is a channeled melee ability) and Axe specs designed to take advantage of Eviscerate hurt like a mafucka' but cost you a lot of mobility.

Blah blah

ArenaNet has put out a great product and it will continue to improve with future expansions.

Also, I'm on Jade Quarry. Calling it now #1 PvP server in the game.
 
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