Imanalt
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sry but this post is just dumb. Banning a move is not a complex ban. A complex ban is banning multiple things in conjunction with each other. I'm also literally asking for people to set a general precedent that could then be applied to lc, rather than having lc set a bad precedent. Try reading what was said before posting.Z moves were introduced in Gen7.
All pokemon have access to Z moves, and they are now a part of the "package" that encompasses an entire pokemon.
Porygon learns conversion.
Z-conversion is one of the traits that makes Porygon broken.
Porygon is broken.
Ban Porygon.
If it wasn't clear: we really should not set a bad precedent with complex bans. This is literally identical to King's Shield Aegislash or any other aspect of a pokemon that sums up the brokenness. STOP trying to separate traits from the entire pokemon.
Some people in lc would make the case that z-conversion is a generally broken move, similar to eevee's z-move, and so the z-move should be banned rather than the pokemon that just happens to have it. Aegislash might not be broken without king's shield, but king's shield is also not broken without aegislash (literally just read the post above yours), and so aegislash is banned. How we define what makes a move broken is harder, and is probably interesting to discuss, as well as whether z-conversion fits those criteria, but at least the second half of that should be happening in lc with people who actually play lc, not in pr. The reason I made this thread was to discuss A) what makes a z-move (or regular move) "broken" and thus banworthy in a general sense (so, does it have to be broken on everything that gets it, does it have to be hypothetically broken on mons that don't get it, etc), and b) if a z-move is deemed broken, how should we ban it? Because in the case of z-conversion at least, if it were to be deemed broken there is not one aspect of the move that can be banned without some sort of collateral damage in teambuilding. The proposal I would lean towards as being best is Magnemite's suggestion, as it has no collateral damage in any case, regardless of distribution of the move in question, and is not complex, but I can see objections to this style of ban as well. Please stay on the topics I addressed in the OP and discuss one of these two questions, thanks!