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- Thread starter Cyber Mewtwo
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The question "are you against hacking?" is akin to what I call the "mathematician vs. engineer" problem.
The mathematician doesn't care if something is implemented; all he cares about is whether it can be implemented or not. If it can, then it is as good as implemented already, for him.
The engineer doesn't care if something can be implemented; all he cares about is to implement it. If he fails to implement it, then it doesn't exist, even if it is proved that it can be implemented.
The mathematicians among us voted 'no' (they are not against hacking), because, for them, if a Timid 31/31/31/31/31/31 Mewtwo can exist, then it exists. The engineers among us voted 'yes' (they are against hacking), because, for them, a Timid 31/31/31/31/31/31 Mewtwo doesn't exist unless you happen to get one.
The mathematician doesn't care if something is implemented; all he cares about is whether it can be implemented or not. If it can, then it is as good as implemented already, for him.
The engineer doesn't care if something can be implemented; all he cares about is to implement it. If he fails to implement it, then it doesn't exist, even if it is proved that it can be implemented.
The mathematicians among us voted 'no' (they are not against hacking), because, for them, if a Timid 31/31/31/31/31/31 Mewtwo can exist, then it exists. The engineers among us voted 'yes' (they are against hacking), because, for them, a Timid 31/31/31/31/31/31 Mewtwo doesn't exist unless you happen to get one.
lol nnice logic
If you have to hack your IV's and stuff because "you have a life, so you don't have time to breed pokaymanz", just go play Shoddy or, in the future, Competitor. Those allow you to get whatever you want right way.
On the DS, I feel that your breeding ability (and luck, because luck plays a huge part in Pokémon!) can and SHOULD interfere in your battles. If you can't breed well enough to get good IVs, you should lose your battles due to that stat disadvantage. The end.
However, I won't really bother getting into an argument if I happen to battle somebody with hacked Pokémon that don't exceed the game's limits. It won't change anything and it will just be a waste of time for both of us. Hell, I'm even willing to battle those kind of hackers even if I know they do it. It's not a gamebreaking difference and I'm playing this for fun, so who cares?
Wondertombs, Pokémon with 255 EVs in every stat and the like, however, are a different story. I can't see how anybody would like those, aside from the people who make them themselves. >_>
On the DS, I feel that your breeding ability (and luck, because luck plays a huge part in Pokémon!) can and SHOULD interfere in your battles. If you can't breed well enough to get good IVs, you should lose your battles due to that stat disadvantage. The end.
However, I won't really bother getting into an argument if I happen to battle somebody with hacked Pokémon that don't exceed the game's limits. It won't change anything and it will just be a waste of time for both of us. Hell, I'm even willing to battle those kind of hackers even if I know they do it. It's not a gamebreaking difference and I'm playing this for fun, so who cares?
Wondertombs, Pokémon with 255 EVs in every stat and the like, however, are a different story. I can't see how anybody would like those, aside from the people who make them themselves. >_>
I'm all for hacking as long as it falls under reasonable circumstances.
The things I hate though are these:
1. Hacking 31/31/31/31/31/31 IV pokemon.
2. Trading hacked pokemon
3. Hacking anything that is not obtainable without hacking (like 252 EVs in all stats)
The things I hate though are these:
1. Hacking 31/31/31/31/31/31 IV pokemon.
2. Trading hacked pokemon
3. Hacking anything that is not obtainable without hacking (like 252 EVs in all stats)
Running up and down a path, restarting my DS, and fighting 6 bibarels and 6 magikarps over and over again for days is not my idea of fun. And since nobody's paying me to play pokemon and I don't get any recognition for it, Hacking = Okay. Too bad I don't know how to hack.
:I'm talking bout hacking legit stuff, creating your own pokemon is cool but it belongs in it's own metagame.
:I'm talking bout hacking legit stuff, creating your own pokemon is cool but it belongs in it's own metagame.
Good post.
Little story.
A mathematician, Physicist, and Engineer were confronted with the challenge to boil water. They all were given the same supplies, and in the end pretty much did the same thing. They took out the bunson burner, poured water into a flask, and heated the flask till the water boiled.
Then, they were confronted with a similar problem. They had to boil water, but all the supplies were on the floor. The engineer noticed "If I move the materials back on the desk, it would be the exact same problem". So he did just that, he moved all the materials back on the desk and boiled water.
The Physicist noticed "Hey, this is the same problem, I just have to solve it on the floor". So he did the same process, except left all the materials on the floor.
The mathematician noticed the same thing, and a few minutes later he ran out of the laboratory while setting it on fire. The physicist and engineer asked "why did you do that?". The mathematician responded "I noticed that this was a similar problem to the last one. So I decided to solve it in general".
:-p
But anyway, my view is this. Perfect IVs are good for Competitor / shoddybattle. However, most people I meet (aside from Smogon) expect my in-game pokemon to be completely legit, and thus I never touch an AR, nor do I plan to clone any of my pokemon.
Bingo.
I'm feeling more of the Natural Science persuasion than Engineering today so I went with No.
I think hacking is acceptable only OUTSIDE the boundaries of the game, just as long as you don't use them in Wifi (unless its agreed upon). I don't respect people that hack perfect IV stuff, and its even worse when they do it to legends, because generally legends don't come so close to being perfect ever, especially past-gens and Cresselia. So yea, I'm against within the limits hacking, its cheap and stupid
Sadly people will justify it with every excuse in the book and then some just to scam others. It's sad that people have to seem almost paranoid about it but you don't want to end up getting something that could damage your game, disqualify you from a tournament if you join one, or have restricted use on PBR/turns into a bad egg. The fact that there are so many codes easily accessible from Google creates the temptation for people to just abuse them then lie so they can generate popularity and interest in themselves. Milking Pokémon for internet fame.
As others have stated - why bother hacking ingame when you have shoddy/competitor available? It simply doesn't make sense.
I don't speak for others, but I personally prefer to battle over my DS than my computer. Hence, while I plan on getting Competitor when it's released, I'll always prefer using my DS or Wii, with my hacked Pokemon of course.
Coming from the perspective of a hacker, I think it's a really dipshit thing to do to actually go into a competitive environment and use illegal Pokes. However, I think that even though these people give hackers a bad name, people should cut us some slack. We don't all prey on children with our WonderTombs.
I like that.
As someone who one breeds all their own Pokemon, I can't help but be annoyed when other people just hack perfect stats or ridiculous crap like Wonder Guard Spiritomb. Still though, I'm not gonna tell other people what to do with their own games. As long as the person tells if they use hacked Pokemon before the battle, I can't complain.
Just keeping it alive
The reason nobody's posting here anymore is because everything to discuss here has been discussed. The thread is over.
IMO:
If you want perfect IVs, or whatever else you get from hacking, just play shoddy... Really, the people who play WiFi are using completely legit pokés 99% of the time (on Smogon); Using hacked Pokémon, no matter what you hacked them for, is undermining the work they put into their team and instantly giving you an advantage.
Not only that, but Shoddy (and Competitor when it comes) are way easier to use than setting up WiFi matches. Click a name, challenge a person. If you're too lazy to breed/SR legit Pokémon, you should be too lazy to set up WiFi matches and should use a sim. If not, then it's not laziness- You just want that advantage over other players, in which case I consider you a ten year old without a life.
Hacking is pointless, in short.
If you want perfect IVs, or whatever else you get from hacking, just play shoddy... Really, the people who play WiFi are using completely legit pokés 99% of the time (on Smogon); Using hacked Pokémon, no matter what you hacked them for, is undermining the work they put into their team and instantly giving you an advantage.
Not only that, but Shoddy (and Competitor when it comes) are way easier to use than setting up WiFi matches. Click a name, challenge a person. If you're too lazy to breed/SR legit Pokémon, you should be too lazy to set up WiFi matches and should use a sim. If not, then it's not laziness- You just want that advantage over other players, in which case I consider you a ten year old without a life.
Hacking is pointless, in short.
For myself, I just like playing on the DS. Period. It's just a personal preference, but using the DS instead of the computer is more fun for me.
I would absolutely love it if everyone had access to an AR and everyone could battle each other with perfect IVs.
Note: Obviously the stupid shit like 252 evs in everything and illegal movesets would be banned though.
As long as it has legit stats,moves ETC. then its all good :D