50 Attack is not something you should be using Phantom Force with, even if it does make you pseudo-invincible for 1 turn. Foul Play would probably be better if you want to not be taunt bait, as Trevenant does get that, and Aegislash can definitely use it on the Pokemon that use it as set-up fodder.
Mine is messed up too, but I'm reasonably certain it was only inheriting from regular Sableye that was banned--not Mega Sableye.
The only reason I suggested Phantom Force was to rack up the passive damage/recovery while not being Taunt bait (thus doing Protect's job and Foul Play's job) but if you don't care about that then yeah, Foul Play is probably superior.
I edited it because of the derp, but the point still stands that chansey isn't nearly as good anymore due to not having prankster to prevent opposing mons from hitting it before burning it, or going for taunt, substitute, etc. The other sets are hardly viable because so much of inheritance takes advantage of it.
I made a pure support Blissey with Prankster Substitute, Tail Glow, Baton Pass and Roost just for messing around :P (has a mental herb to stop Taunt once)
If we have them for inheritors, it only makes sense. In a lot of cases, there are mons with particularly desirable abilities+movepools that could go to several 'mons depending on a team's particular needs, much in the same way that something's stats and typing lend it to inheriting from several other mons well. It's an equally valid way of organizing our viability knowledge, I think.
This will be fun.
1. Doublade imo. Idk what's physically bulkier with typing than this.
A few things can beat out medicham(all need items or mega), mostly Stab tough claws/Sheer force, flare blitz, brave bird, and outrage can manage to break its damage thresh hold, with attack above 135(so salamence and haxorus)
Personally I would keep it where it is. I've countered Landorus-T many times with sets of my own. It's definitely a huge threat, but it's not impossible to stop in its tracks, in my opinion.S Rank
Yup, maybe even move it up to S+ because of how amazing Landorus-T is, running so many sets and being uncounterable
Seems pretty cool. It resists all extremespeed variants, so it doesn't need to worry about it. But there is one huge problem that probably keeps this thing from being used often.Personally I would keep it where it is. I've countered Landorus-T many times with sets of my own. It's definitely a huge threat, but it's not impossible to stop in its tracks, in my opinion.
Also, why aren't Dugtrio and Staraptor Chansey in the Viability Rankings? Both those sets are great. I've been using Dugtrio Chansey and it walls the heck out of almost everything.
But anyway, I've been using this Scizor set and it works wonders.
Klinklang (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Smash
- Shift Gear
- Wild Charge
- Gear Grind
Clear Body prevents any Intimidate shenanigans when non-mega Scizor switches in. The only reason I wanted to use Klinklang was because of Technician Gear Grind + Shift Gear, and it sure hits like a truck, as Technician Gear Grind is technically a 150BP STAB move. The EVs mean that Scizor gets 400 speed, a nice round number, after one Shift Gear. I maxed out the attack for as much damage as possible. The 120 HP EV's are for more bulk, and also give it 311 HP- an odd number.
Wild Charge and Rock Smash are the only good options I could get out of Klinklang, as its Physical movepool is pretty bad, and the only other viable physical move it gets is Return. Wild Charge takes most water types by surprise if I haven't Shift-Gear'd, while Rock Smash is technician boosted and has a small chance to lower defense, which is always good.
Obviously there are some threats, such as any fire type move, and walls, such Max Defense Solrock Steelix, but otherwise, it is a great attacker.
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 398-470 (56.5 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 326-386 (101.8 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Mega Scizor Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 236-278 (58.4 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Mega Pinsir V-create vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Steelix: 266-314 (75.1 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Thank me later. This will stop all -ate spammers and Gale Wing abusers in its path. Morning sun for longevity, Will O Wisp to cripple physical sweepers even more, EQ and Iron Head are solid STAB moves. Solrock, you lord.
You're probably better off with Heatran. Although it is slower and weaker than Volcarona, Heatran doesn't take 50% from rocks and is bulkier, so it can spam eruption much more freely.
Speaking of suicide leads, I also used one with Mold Breaker. This thing is the one that makes my team pretty successful so far.Here's something I've been using for a while and kinda enjoying.
Wat (Ninjask) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Tail
- Stealth Rock
- Endeavor
- Iron Head
Standard suicide lead, it inherits from Rampardos. It's speed ensures that I'll get rocks up unless my opponent has Prankster Taunt. Mold Breaker breaks through Magic Bounce. Sash over Mental Herb because Priority Taunt is less common than other priority. Dragon Tail is just in case someone decides to set up on turn 1. As for Iron Head, I just picked it since nothing is immune to it, plus it has a really useful flinch %. It's basically for finishing stuff off after I use Endeavor.
Basically: Setup rocks -> Opponent attacks -> Sash activated -> Endeavor
If i'm still not dead, I use Iron Head. Otherwise, my opponent is still going to lose a mon in the next turn.
Landorus-T won't go S+ anyways because I am not splitting S rank. The only reason I would is if it got too crowded...like 6 mons type of crouded. Lant is on a level other mons just don't hit, so therefore I don't want to move anything to S rank just yet.Personally I would keep it where it is. I've countered Landorus-T many times with sets of my own. It's definitely a huge threat, but it's not impossible to stop in its tracks, in my opinion.
Also, why aren't Dugtrio and Staraptor Chansey in the Viability Rankings? Both those sets are great. I've been using Dugtrio Chansey and it walls the heck out of almost everything.
But anyway, I've been using this Scizor set and it works wonders.
Klinklang (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Smash
- Shift Gear
- Wild Charge
- Gear Grind
Clear Body prevents any Intimidate shenanigans when non-mega Scizor switches in. The only reason I wanted to use Klinklang was because of Technician Gear Grind + Shift Gear, and it sure hits like a truck, as Technician Gear Grind is technically a 150BP STAB move. The EVs mean that Scizor gets 400 speed, a nice round number, after one Shift Gear. I maxed out the attack for as much damage as possible. The 120 HP EV's are for more bulk, and also give it 311 HP- an odd number.
Wild Charge and Rock Smash are the only good options I could get out of Klinklang, as its Physical movepool is pretty bad, and the only other viable physical move it gets is Return. Wild Charge takes most water types by surprise if I haven't Shift-Gear'd, while Rock Smash is technician boosted and has a small chance to lower defense, which is always good.
Obviously there are some threats, such as any fire type move, and walls, such Max Defense Solrock Steelix, but otherwise, it is a great attacker.
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 398-470 (56.5 - 66.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 326-386 (101.8 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Mega Scizor Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 236-278 (58.4 - 68.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Thats actually a pretty cool wallbreaker, idk why it has been overlooked so far. SD Precipice Blades with a life orb hits absurdly hard, the 20 extra power allowing it to beat normal checks and counters. It also beats cune, which is huge, due to desolate lands rendering scald useless (except for those running ice beam). Fire blast also gets a much appreciated boost in power, since desolate lands gives it a good boost. Dclaw will hit pretty hard especially because there are zero fairies in this meta.
of course this set is weak to SR, but it has a bit more power and speed than say - heatran. Its certainly viable, and probably effective, but it could be problematic without hazard control. Specs is also an option for wallbreaking and stallbreaking power, since this set can obliterate fat teams.
blah blah blah im dumb blah blah blah. Srsly I suck at this point so ima stop talking about that.
Problem is, the only non-mega Fairy type with high Attack besides Ubers is Granbull. And we know that Granbull's stats is very similar to Ursaring (high attack, mediocre defenses, very slow). Most Fairy types are specially based and they are pretty much used for Geomancy set or defensive. Pokes like Diancie and Sylveon are quite used in some stall teams, while Togekiss and Gardevoir are used with Geomancy.
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Coverage doesn't really matter with that set tbh. After one boost, literally all you need is Gear Grind. Technician boosted STAB Gear Grind is an absolute monster. Anyone who's played STABMons can attest to that. And Rock Smash is an awesome addition. It 2HKOs Heatran, which was the best counter to it. There is literally no wall in the tier that appreciates a defence drop.
I can vouch for this set. It's a REALLY good suicide lead for HO teams(imo). MB+its base 110spe it's almost guaranteed to set-up rocks. taunt not only shuts down opposing Leads/hazard setter. But also, allows it to bypass magic bounce user-or pokes that think they can use lati as setup fodder after Draco. But I personally use Heat wave>Glare tho. Just for FF Mons(KO'd tons of genesects who's now running Sacred fire+FF from entei).
