NOC JOAT 10 Game Thread [Completed, GG Mafia]

VOTECOUNT 1

Haruno (2): Zippy, Aura Guardian

Neon (2): Celever, Ehmcee

Ls (1): Haruno

Jalmont (1): Neon

Not voting (4): Jalmont, skipper, pulsar, LS

*this was done extremely quick and may be scuffed @ me with any mistakes asap or spam clouds and nuxl for a better one, nuxl is available America night mostly though
 
VOTECOUNT 1

Haruno (2): Zippy, Aura Guardian

Neon (2): Celever, Ehmcee

Ls (1): Haruno

Jalmont (1): Neon

Not voting (4): Jalmont, skipper, pulsar, LS

*this was done extremely quick and may be scuffed @ me with any mistakes asap or spam clouds and nuxl for a better one, nuxl is available America night mostly though
thank u btw i havent said that <3
 
My Case Whooo
guys i daychecked LS and she's maf, gg
It wasn't a joke...

/s
(LHF, more so than Ehmcee has gone for before I think)
of course
that isn't how probability works
You know what, I'm actually gonna townread everyone because probability-wise, everyone has a 8/10 chance of being town.
shit

sorry scumbud, you're on your own
Vote ImaginaryNeon
So what's the deal with airplane food?
I've seen worse
------------------------D2
None, this is noteworthy. The fact that the banter & humour pretty much stopped after one sleep is interesting. As town he continues the banter longer, but as scum he dropped it in Assist Trophy quickly.

Dumbtells
oh wait, one guy has ALL those skills?

that's crazy lmao

NGL the way last game you literally posted something right like this "oh wait, this is smash flavoured lol" and then went to scumchat like "I hope this doesn't out me" :worrycargo:

I don't bother learning most acronyms lol

what does noc mean i still don't know
These are consecutive and close together posts. That Ehmcee did the same thing last game (see below quote), but then didn't pick up the volley about the fact that he did the same thing last game stands out to me. He just did another dumbtell right after instead, ignoring that this is repeat behaviour from his scumgame in a way that is not also repeated in the town game really.
Oh, didn't get that this was smash themed lol

Can someone explain to me the fake wifom result claim move like I'm 12

also is joat revealed on death
The hypo asking is fine IMO. This last came up in eli loves matrices but Ehmcee died N3 and this discourse happened D3, so I think it's NAI.

But I don't understand why Ehmcee asks whether people flip again. He did the same thing in Assist Trophy:
Celever are role/abilities revealed on death
but hasn't done this in any game where he's town (I looked and am p sure I didn't miss it through the power of ctrl+F). It really seems like a clutching at straws to look lost and confused tactic. Like a "well if I were mafia I would ask this in scumchat instead, so asking in-thread is town points!" situation. That train of thought only actually comes to scum.
----------------------D2
which one
I don't think this happens naturally. You get an alert when a tag happens. Either Ehmcee is sat there refreshing the game thread and not posting / contributing, or he saw the alert, ignored it, and went with the dumbtell. Once again this happened more in Assist Trophy than prior games (e.g. Werewolf his last townflipped game on here).

Full Content / Jokes I have Commentary On
Note to self, don't greencheck neon for having a spreadsheet
Honestly I think this joke stands out. Primarily because of the experiences of last game, wherein Neon was basically considered clear in the later stages of the game (as town) which made it harder for Ehmcee to win. I don't think this really comes to mind from a town!Ehmcee POV; Neon's spreadsheet was not considered AI in the later stages of the game and he was considered town for a number of other reasons at that point. My feeling is that the more likely reason for this thought to come to mind is that Ehmcee is mafia again and doesn't want a rerun of Neon being immune to proper wagon momentum, so he's trying to nip that possibility in the bud.

tbh kind of been cruising through d1 lol, 0 reads rn
I find this notable because at approx the same time and postcount in Werewolf Mafia, Ehmcee threw this together:

THE VIBES (TM)

Heavy Town:
realiti

TownLeans:
LS (Contributing a lot in posts, however they're not Heavy Town because they didn't know what Zelba was)
Spiderz (noticing I have a habit of townleaning people that vote me, might be somethingi have to work on.)
firekitten (Clearly invested and contributing :blobthumbsup: )
Eli (Been having a good couple of days, and they have super positive posts that i don't want to lapse my judgement rn, they however just scream town rn.)

Null:
Celever (Gonna wait on this slot, probably the most towny of my nulls tho)
Tommy (gonna wait a bit before forming tommy opinions)
Skipper (Don't have a lot on them rn)
psy (lol)
Hydro (lol x2)
whydon (lol x3)


Scumlean:
ImaginariyNeon (The coaching allegations go hard)
Jalmont (Bro i hate your stupid list so much, throw it out)


Just Maf:
Laurel (kind of a meme, but also a d1 soulread)
Now, my view is that there are more reads that could comprise a satisfactory reads list than there were at this point in Werewolf. And while the reads list came after more posts in the Smalltown thread as a whole, it came after fewer posts by Ehmcee:
THE READLIST

Townlean:
psy (psy is being psy, i potentially am reading him wrong, but he's pretty much just playing the exact same as last time)
skippergamez (pretty harshly reacted to me voting for them, which is fair, but also don't think they would take that risk as maf)
Duskfall98 (he was hella instigating, I rate that)
Nuxl (interaction between them and Dusk felt pretty towny, Nuxl was voicing their annoyance pretty hard)
JALMONT (I really liked #413 , felt like he was really adamant on having town consensus for major decisions, which makes sense to me imo)
HydrogenHydreigon (initially was gonna put them in neutral, but I liked #307, shows that he's at least interested in having productive townie discussion)

Neutral:
Celever (playing quite similarly to last time, but don't think I have as much as psy for example to feel confident about them, HOW DARE YOU PIN ME AS MAF THOUGH :changry:)
apricity (the "hey i usually am silent but i don't think thats going to work here so I'm going to talk" shtick feels kinda weird and forced, but not really alignment indicative.)
realiti (They've posted a lot, but it's mainly just been "wow we've got 30 pages" or "wow this role is stupid", not a ton of substance)
LS (idk, my radar is kind of off specifically with them, had no idea how to pin her last game either)

Scumlean:
Aura Guardian (I'm never trusting you ever again)
master oden (little useful content to me imo, kinda seems like they just try to post as chaotic as possible, could be a similar situation to psy tho)
Ehmcee's actual playstyle as town is making a reads list to collate their thoughts and communicate reads, especially reads they haven't really communicated yet in the thread. I find the lack of doing this this game notable. The game is over 24 hours old and 20 pages long, which is when Ehmcee has historically done this before. To instead say "oh I'm vibing reading is hard" is his mafia playstyle, by contrast.
This is already turning to be a fun one
However.... Ehmcee has posted "this is already turning out to be x" or "a y one" in 2/3 checked town games and 0/1 checked mafia games. Perhaps this is the only real meta tell he has LOL

Specific Mafia Strategy I Saw Ehmcee Do in Assist Trophy: Sucking Up To The Most Influential Players
Yo guys the LS push was ironic haha lets not get them killed
Sucking up to AG (but this is sort of a BoD sitch because in-context it is jokey enough)


Omg Celever has thoughts on me! :psytear:
Rn I'm kind of liking a Celever/LS towncore
In particular, the reason I asked that question is because Celever/LS is the really easy answer to the question. It's the Level-1 deduction. And Ehmcee is not a player who is traditionally shy from a counter-hegemonic read as town, but as mafia last game he heavily went with the flow (except insofar as his buddies were concerned). In Assist Trophy Ehmcee on D1 made a very active effort to get townread by Fame, because he (quite correctly) identified that Fame was a player who was likely to live for a long time and potentially be quite influential. I think Ehmcee is likely attempting to do this with me and/or LS this game. Especially because no real reasoning was provided.

Either way it's a cop out answer because that's just volume telling lol. P sure Ehmcee has been advised against that before as town and I think those memories would kick in if he were town here too.

Off of vibes alone i don't like zippy, but that is prob the most milktoast opinion to have
And I think it might also be the case here but less so. This is just trying to fit in gaming, ultimately.

Vote Ehmcee
 
oh NGL thinking back I can see how I gave you that impression LOL sorry

to be fair if you had posted "im confident ls is mafia, ill give my sources later" you'd have been fully disregarded even when you posted a case so i thought you had to develop something airtight before coming for me
 
My Case Whooo
(LHF, more so than Ehmcee has gone for before I think)







------------------------D2
None, this is noteworthy. The fact that the banter & humour pretty much stopped after one sleep is interesting. As town he continues the banter longer, but as scum he dropped it in Assist Trophy quickly.

Dumbtells
These are consecutive and close together posts. That Ehmcee did the same thing last game (see below quote), but then didn't pick up the volley about the fact that he did the same thing last game stands out to me. He just did another dumbtell right after instead, ignoring that this is repeat behaviour from his scumgame in a way that is not also repeated in the town game really.



The hypo asking is fine IMO. This last came up in eli loves matrices but Ehmcee died N3 and this discourse happened D3, so I think it's NAI.

But I don't understand why Ehmcee asks whether people flip again. He did the same thing in Assist Trophy:

but hasn't done this in any game where he's town (I looked and am p sure I didn't miss it through the power of ctrl+F). It really seems like a clutching at straws to look lost and confused tactic. Like a "well if I were mafia I would ask this in scumchat instead, so asking in-thread is town points!" situation. That train of thought only actually comes to scum.
----------------------D2


I don't think this happens naturally. You get an alert when a tag happens. Either Ehmcee is sat there refreshing the game thread and not posting / contributing, or he saw the alert, ignored it, and went with the dumbtell. Once again this happened more in Assist Trophy than prior games (e.g. Werewolf his last townflipped game on here).

Full Content / Jokes I have Commentary On
Honestly I think this joke stands out. Primarily because of the experiences of last game, wherein Neon was basically considered clear in the later stages of the game (as town) which made it harder for Ehmcee to win. I don't think this really comes to mind from a town!Ehmcee POV; Neon's spreadsheet was not considered AI in the later stages of the game and he was considered town for a number of other reasons at that point. My feeling is that the more likely reason for this thought to come to mind is that Ehmcee is mafia again and doesn't want a rerun of Neon being immune to proper wagon momentum, so he's trying to nip that possibility in the bud.


I find this notable because at approx the same time and postcount in Werewolf Mafia, Ehmcee threw this together:


Now, my view is that there are more reads that could comprise a satisfactory reads list than there were at this point in Werewolf. And while the reads list came after more posts in the Smalltown thread as a whole, it came after fewer posts by Ehmcee:

Ehmcee's actual playstyle as town is making a reads list to collate their thoughts and communicate reads, especially reads they haven't really communicated yet in the thread. I find the lack of doing this this game notable. The game is over 24 hours old and 20 pages long, which is when Ehmcee has historically done this before. To instead say "oh I'm vibing reading is hard" is his mafia playstyle, by contrast.

However.... Ehmcee has posted "this is already turning out to be x" or "a y one" in 2/3 checked town games and 0/1 checked mafia games. Perhaps this is the only real meta tell he has LOL

Specific Mafia Strategy I Saw Ehmcee Do in Assist Trophy: Sucking Up To The Most Influential Players
Sucking up to AG (but this is sort of a BoD sitch because in-context it is jokey enough)




In particular, the reason I asked that question is because Celever/LS is the really easy answer to the question. It's the Level-1 deduction. And Ehmcee is not a player who is traditionally shy from a counter-hegemonic read as town, but as mafia last game he heavily went with the flow (except insofar as his buddies were concerned). In Assist Trophy Ehmcee on D1 made a very active effort to get townread by Fame, because he (quite correctly) identified that Fame was a player who was likely to live for a long time and potentially be quite influential. I think Ehmcee is likely attempting to do this with me and/or LS this game. Especially because no real reasoning was provided.

Either way it's a cop out answer because that's just volume telling lol. P sure Ehmcee has been advised against that before as town and I think those memories would kick in if he were town here too.


And I think it might also be the case here but less so. This is just trying to fit in gaming, ultimately.

Vote Ehmcee
So you're saying I can get away with the *quickly checks WW mafia to remember if it was a funny moment:tm:* funny Ehmcee vote?
 
And yeah LS I have hosted a few Rands Slam Circuit tournaments. Bossaru went far in my first one this year but refused to schedule publicly and also went activity fishing so hard I had to scold him like I was his teacher :row:

Fun Fact: When Bossaru posts "Contacted" in the thread, it doesn't mean he's contacted his opponent.
 
And yeah LS I have hosted a few Rands Slam Circuit tournaments. Bossaru went far in my first one this year but refused to schedule publicly and also went activity fishing so hard I had to scold him like I was his teacher :row:

Fun Fact: When Bossaru posts "Contacted" in the thread, it doesn't mean he's contacted his opponent.
What a beast
 
Back
Top