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That is the exact opposite of my playstyle thus far. Granted, I have only rolled town so far, but still.
I still focus primarily on survival lol.
I just kinda view dying as losing because:
A, I mainly play in ORGs and EiPP and shit, what did you expect?
and B, I mainly join to give myself something to do, which kinda gets fucked if I die.
Oh don’t get me wrong everyone lowk plays a casual game like this for survival LOL as long as the game’s fun. But not in a way that warps your entire strategy, right? E.g. if you get a red check and absolutely know a mafia is in the towncore, or your green check is about to be voted out, you would out your role and reveal the result. That’s anti-self preservation because you’re now on the nightkill list but it’s also your duty as that role within the town
"as town your win condition is not dependent on survival, and so modifying playstyle to match established deep running methods is not your win condition either. "
I disagree with this perspective. It's also a legit reason to want to stay alive and deep run every game so you get the most experience possible. Also, as a town your win is sort of dependent on your survival.
apart from that, I am willing to hear out what you say here but I have 1 question left.
Who has Emchee been interacting with in terms of progressing the game so far? Like which people.
Sorry got ready for bed I am gonna sleep imminently.
Putting my case notes and memory of reading the ISO together I’d highlight Ehmcee’s primary game progression discourse has been with Neon and me. Also disproportionately some with AG. He doesn’t seem to have interacted too much outside of that. I think us 3 are good candidates for mafia to keep around as long as our reads are wrong, which was Ehmcee’s strategy last game (which worked). This isn’t saying all 3 of us are town but also last game the scum team like did not talk to each other D1 so if Ehmcee is red I think it’s green points as a trio. That’s kinda offset by AG being partial to thread interactions with buddies though IIRC (like the Hotel game it was I think)
(LHF, more so than Ehmcee has gone for before I think)
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None, this is noteworthy. The fact that the banter & humour pretty much stopped after one sleep is interesting. As town he continues the banter longer, but as scum he dropped it in Assist Trophy quickly.
Dumbtells
These are consecutive and close together posts. That Ehmcee did the same thing last game (see below quote), but then didn't pick up the volley about the fact that he did the same thing last game stands out to me. He just did another dumbtell right after instead, ignoring that this is repeat behaviour from his scumgame in a way that is not also repeated in the town game really.
The hypo asking is fine IMO. This last came up in eli loves matrices but Ehmcee died N3 and this discourse happened D3, so I think it's NAI.
But I don't understand why Ehmcee asks whether people flip again. He did the same thing in Assist Trophy:
but hasn't done this in any game where he's town (I looked and am p sure I didn't miss it through the power of ctrl+F). It really seems like a clutching at straws to look lost and confused tactic. Like a "well if I were mafia I would ask this in scumchat instead, so asking in-thread is town points!" situation. That train of thought only actually comes to scum. ----------------------D2
I don't think this happens naturally. You get an alert when a tag happens. Either Ehmcee is sat there refreshing the game thread and not posting / contributing, or he saw the alert, ignored it, and went with the dumbtell. Once again this happened more in Assist Trophy than prior games (e.g. Werewolf his last townflipped game on here).
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Honestly I think this joke stands out. Primarily because of the experiences of last game, wherein Neon was basically considered clear in the later stages of the game (as town) which made it harder for Ehmcee to win. I don't think this really comes to mind from a town!Ehmcee POV; Neon's spreadsheet was not considered AI in the later stages of the game and he was considered town for a number of other reasons at that point. My feeling is that the more likely reason for this thought to come to mind is that Ehmcee is mafia again and doesn't want a rerun of Neon being immune to proper wagon momentum, so he's trying to nip that possibility in the bud.
I find this notable because at approx the same time and postcount in Werewolf Mafia, Ehmcee threw this together:
Now, my view is that there are more reads that could comprise a satisfactory reads list than there were at this point in Werewolf. And while the reads list came after more posts in the Smalltown thread as a whole, it came after fewer posts by Ehmcee:
Ehmcee's actual playstyle as town is making a reads list to collate their thoughts and communicate reads, especially reads they haven't really communicated yet in the thread. I find the lack of doing this this game notable. The game is over 24 hours old and 20 pages long, which is when Ehmcee has historically done this before. To instead say "oh I'm vibing reading is hard" is his mafia playstyle, by contrast.
However.... Ehmcee has posted "this is already turning out to be x" or "a y one" in 2/3 checked town games and 0/1 checked mafia games. Perhaps this is the only real meta tell he has LOL
Specific Mafia Strategy I Saw Ehmcee Do in Assist Trophy: Sucking Up To The Most Influential Players
Sucking up to AG (but this is sort of a BoD sitch because in-context it is jokey enough)
In particular, the reason I asked that question is because Celever/LS is the really easy answer to the question. It's the Level-1 deduction. And Ehmcee is not a player who is traditionally shy from a counter-hegemonic read as town, but as mafia last game he heavily went with the flow (except insofar as his buddies were concerned). In Assist Trophy Ehmcee on D1 made a very active effort to get townread by Fame, because he (quite correctly) identified that Fame was a player who was likely to live for a long time and potentially be quite influential. I think Ehmcee is likely attempting to do this with me and/or LS this game. Especially because no real reasoning was provided.
Either way it's a cop out answer because that's just volume telling lol. P sure Ehmcee has been advised against that before as town and I think those memories would kick in if he were town here too.
And I think it might also be the case here but less so. This is just trying to fit in gaming, ultimately.
So I looked more over this and glanced over Ehmcee's posts. I think the case against him has a point, but... the claim he's sucking up to influential players seems to be exaggerated. Though I could agree with the Neon spreadsheet thing. Celever's point about it, not Ehmcee's.
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Anyway, I promised some reads when I had the time.
Me-tier:
Aura Guardian (ME!)
Town:
ZippyDoo200 - trying to paint that target on his back to prompt discussion feels towny, but not well-thought-out. But he's rather new, so I'm giving benefit of the doubt there.
Celever - active, trying to solve, makes coherent cases.
Townlean:
Lady Salamence - active, and gut but: feels a bit different from that time she rolled mafia, and not that much different from her town games
ImaginaryNeon - style seems unchanged from other games, but seems weird enough that I can't get a solid read.
Null:
JALMONT - not enough time since substitution to get a solid read. Wait, he voted Haruno while I was typing this. Still not enough time, but things are looking up.
Scumlean:
Ehmcee - I mostly agree with the case against him by Celever, and could be persuaded off Haruno onto Ehmcee, but for now I'd rather go after Haruno. I think I explained most of this above.
skippergamez - has played a bit, has been present, but hasn't added much. Writing this after my Haruno read (writing reads top to bottom for player list), see below, but is a lesser offender.
pulsar512b - I know I've seen some posts, but aside from commenting on that guy who got subbed out, not much contribution. Least scummy on this list though because completely new to the game, it seems.
Scum:
Haruno - experienced, hasn't added much but has been present. I call trying to go under both the lurker the radar and the openwolf radar.
So, my preferred vote order at this time would be Haruno -> Ehmcee -> skippergamez -> pulsar512b.
Haruno you’re prob getting voted today if you don’t provide meaningful content (probably because we are spurned from inactives last game) so please do that lol
Noting this as potential Zippy + pulsar setup. Zippy has assumed this game with greater confidence while pulsar is trying to seem maximally unconfident and uncontributive so it could easily be a strategy they quickly devised to excuse later-game buddying and being on the same EoD wagons
On the one hand Haruno was maf after his return and snowballed investment over the course of the game so returning at high investment could be self-perceived as a scumtell
On the other hand that’s something that like only I and possibly Ehmcee would notice because it is mainly based on scumchat gaming last game and the safer play is to come in at high act as that is standard
I think it boils down to a 50/50 and is resultantly NAI lol
Thoughts on this? Im not understanding the jump from inactive -> scum wrt Haruno (and yes they are def just inactive not active lurking imo, this reread is confirming that)
Noting this as potential Zippy + pulsar setup. Zippy has assumed this game with greater confidence while pulsar is trying to seem maximally unconfident and uncontributive so it could easily be a strategy they quickly devised to excuse later-game buddying and being on the same EoD wagons
