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SPOILERS! Legends ZA Data Dumps - Adding Info to OP

Yeah that would be weird. Sure hope there arent any iconic examples of the series that makes them become much stronger while also being much younger
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Kid Buu is actually weaker than Super Buu. That was a major plot point of the Buu arc.
Also SSJ3 Vegeta doesn't turn Vegeta into a kid. He was turned into a kid at the start of Diama and got to use SSJ3 as an adult.
Also neither are wearing a toilet seat.
 
I think it's really funny how we got Mega Meganium, Mega Emboar, and Mega Totodile

Mega Starmie seems to be either you love it or you hate it, like any of the other goofy obscure reference mons or forms


haven't seen it discussed much here but apparently you cannot turn off auto saving anymore, which is likely going to piss off a lot of the shiny hunter types
 
I think it's really funny how we got Mega Meganium, Mega Emboar, and Mega Totodile


haven't seen it discussed much here but apparently you cannot turn off auto saving anymore, which is likely going to piss off a lot of the shiny hunter types
I'll be honest I'm not sure how pissed off shiny hunters would be. I imagine none of the static encounters can be shiny hunted and saving before going into a shiny battle is a relatively new thing that can't really affect much just based on how things are generated. There also doesn't seem (?) to be like massive mass outbreaks, where saving was more of a needed thing for permutations or whatever. I guess if there was something akin to sandwiches you cants ave scum them as much but most hunters probably had a stockpile of that stuff anyway.


Also this dependent on how frequently autosave goes off.
 
I think it's really funny how we got Mega Meganium, Mega Emboar, and Mega Totodile
Somehow, Mega Pikachu X and Mega Pikachu Y aren't the Mega Evolutions that look the most like pre-evolutions. :P

haven't seen it discussed much here but apparently you cannot turn off auto saving anymore, which is likely going to piss off a lot of the shiny hunter types
It's not just Shiny hunters who will hate this. On a scale from 0 to 31, how infuriating autosave is depends on the Attack and/or Speed IVs of the Pokemon you can't reset for because of autosave. BTW, Strength Sap isn't in Z-A, so you can't check the Attack stat before catching.
 
just realized that mega starmie's jumping animation whenever it uses aqua jet is exactly the same animation as Ultraman's too, hell yeah

if only it fired off special attacks with this pose

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Shame Z-A was (shockingly) resistant to new moves, bringing back the ancient scrapped Star Freeze move would have been cute to complete the reference.
Honestly, I get it. This game has a battle system that is different than everything else so far already. making new moves that already work uniquely here then translating those into the more traditional games would have been a lot of extra work for no payoff. I think Champions or next gen will have what we will want.
 
EMBOAR BROS, more shinies! Honestly shiny Mega pyroar looks slightly better but not by much.
I don't like Emboar, I wasn't a fan of Mega Emboar, I hate Shiny Emboar. All that said, Shiny Mega Emboar somehow the thing that made Mega Emboar grow on me. Icy blue flames look awesome without so much orange!

I'm so Shiny hunting if I ever want to use Mega Scrafty. I probably won't want to use it, but still...

Shiny Mega Scolopede's purple makes the bright red and teal look good together instead of looking neon for the sake of being neon.

Shiny Mega Pyroar has a color change that stands out instead of just making it look sick!



BTW, has anyone posted a pic of Mega Dragalge? I remember seeing every other Mega in this thread.
 
So I decided to go back over and check the scrubbed pokedex entries from the text dump again, and I think I figured out why the datamined list of DLC pokemon gets weird when it comes to gen IX (That's still a point of confusion, right? I'm not just saying things we already know?):
The short of it is that the scrubbed dex entries are missing most of the Hisuian pokemon, which we did know, but that also INCLUDES their evolutions as well and messes up the placements of Paldean pokemon dex entries compared to their index numbers. It doesn't really change too much (aside from further cementing those datamined megas), but I do think it's good to know what the issue was and this might even indicate bonus mega(s).

To start, R_N had mentioned that, for whatever reason, the index numbering of the pokedex entries only goes up to 1005, but the indexes in base SV go up to 1010, with Walking Wake and Iron Leaves's index numbers being mixed in with the other paradoxes from their version (how they were found during the SV datamine). Adding on to this, the scrubbed pokedex entries get weird once it hits Hisui and Paldea, seemingly bringing in unrelated pokemon next to each other in index order but not their evolutionary families, including cross-gen stuff like Wyrdeer (but no Stantler), Mankey/Primeape but no Annihilape, and most importantly both regular and Hisuian Qwilfish but not Overqwil.

Now, if you look at the space in between (holy shit deltarune????) Mega Heracross and Mega Skarmory, you'll notice that there's only one dummied out alternate form entry. There should be two, though, because both Sneasel (Hisuian Sneasel) and Corsola (Galarian Corsola) are in that range. If we assume that this means one of their evolutions would also be missing, the order of the pokemon in Paldea would be messed up anyway. But if you also consider the WEIRD PARTs of my first attempt to predict the new Megas, which involved the section from Clefable to Alakazam (where Hisuian Growlithe and Arcanine would be) missing exactly two entries, and the one untagged entry after Slowbro (which I thought at first was a new mega, but it was actually just Galarian Farfetch'd being added in the DLC), we know that at least some Hisuian forms are missing and at least some Galarian forms were present. Adding on to this, Falinks's pokedex entry was in the right place, which it wouldn't be if Cursola was missing.

But then I remembered that Hisuian Qwilfish was accounted for. So what gives? My guess is that ONLY Hisuian Qwilfish + Overqwil are there, and not any of the other Hisuian pokemon -- both regional forms and evos -- aside from a single exception. I tried counting pokemon from Falinks (the pokemon with the highest dex number available in Z-A) under this assumption, and you do manage to get an entry indicating Overqwil if you remove Wyrdeer, Kleavor, Ursaluna, Basculegion, and Sneasler. And if you remove them, that reduces the total number of pokemon (and therefore the index number of every Paldean pokemon) by 5, so that 906 (Sprigatito) would become 901 and 1010 (Annihilape) would become 1005. And THEN If you go back up and read the first paragraph in the spoiler again, you can probably see where I'm going with this. All of the Paldean entries are numbered wrong.

So what does this mean? Well, the list of Paldean pokemon appearing in the DLC might not actually be incomplete if adjusting the ID numbers by 5 fixes the issues with it. And it does shift by five, because the last other Hisuian pokemon, Enamorus, DOES seem to still have her dex entry AND one for her Therian form, even though the other forces of nature aren't there. A lot of these pokemon match with the ones thought to be getting megas and even some of the extra potential mega spots in the form list, which makes me think that there will be bonus megas handled in the same way as the datamined Mega Heatran, Darkrai, and Zeraora.

I'm starting from Hisui, since everything before that should be the same. And this is in index order, not pokedex order.

Overqwil
Enamorus
Greavard
Houndstone
Dondozo
Capsakid
Scovillain (should be getting a mega)
Frigibax
Arctibax
Baxcalibur (should be getting a mega)
Tatsugiri (should be getting a mega)
Cyclizar (Not at all confirmed/corroborated anywhere, but my theory is that Cyclizar might be getting a bonus mega, or even multiple)
Squawkabilly
Flamigo
Nacli
Naclstack
Garganacl
Glimmet
Glimmora (should be getting a mega? Based on what I can find, could also be Garg, Graf, or one of the dogs, but this is what the leak says)
Shroodle
Grafaiai
Fidough
Dachsbun
Maschiff
Mabosstiff
Gimmighoul
Golden Joseph
Tinkatink
Tinkatuff
Tinkaton
Charcadet
Armarouge
Ceruledge
Annihilape

My reasoning for the Mega Cyclizar thing is that there are still 3 scrubbed forms left over after Tatsugiri's Mega variations but before Squawkabilly, and Cyclizar is the only one from that range to be in the DLC. Also, there's a scrubbed section in the list of item names following Z-A key items (the part right after "Lida's Things") that I think might be the DLC mega stones, followed by multiple blank items before getting to Mega Shards. There are only 11 items in the scrubbed part, not enough for all of the leaked megas, but adding in the blank items puts you at 1 extra, which would be Cyclizar. The big question is why there are three spots for a Cyclizar mega in the form list... i swear to fuck if they make mega miraidon im going to

Anyway take all this with a grain of salt and get back to talking about what really matters (aka mega dragalge cancer juice)
 
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So I took a nap earlier and as I was falling asleep I had a thought.

AZ says that Zygarde goes where it needs to to protect the ecosystem. This is information we knew already, but the way it's reiterated in this game specifically to justify Zygarde's inclusion in SuMo, shows that this is a global travel method, not just within Kalos or even PokeEurope.

We don't know if the Pokémon world's geography is 1:1 with the real world's, but if it is, Kalos and Paldea are right next to each other. Which means that even without a global travel method, Zygarde would have an easy time getting to Paldea.

And yet...it isn't in ScaVio in any way. Does this mean that the ecosystem in Paldea wasn't in jeopardy from the time machine, and the AI Professor's worries were unfounded? Or did Zygarde know that the player had it under control?
 
So I decided to go back over and check the scrubbed pokedex entries from the text dump again, and I think I figured out why the datamined list of DLC pokemon gets weird when it comes to gen IX (That's still a point of confusion, right? I'm not just saying things we already know?):
The short of it is that the scrubbed dex entries are missing most of the Hisuian pokemon, which we did know, but that also INCLUDES their evolutions as well and messes up the placements of Paldean pokemon dex entries compared to their index numbers. It doesn't really change too much (aside from further cementing those datamined megas), but I do think it's good to know what the issue was and this might even indicate bonus mega(s).

To start, R_N had mentioned that, for whatever reason, the index numbering of the pokedex entries only goes up to 1005, but the indexes in base SV go up to 1010, with Walking Wake and Iron Leaves's index numbers being mixed in with the other paradoxes from their version (how they were found during the SV datamine). Adding on to this, the scrubbed pokedex entries get weird once it hits Hisui and Paldea, seemingly bringing in unrelated pokemon next to each other in index order but not their evolutionary families, including cross-gen stuff like Wyrdeer (but no Stantler), Mankey/Primeape but no Annihilape, and most importantly both regular and Hisuian Qwilfish but not Overqwil.

Now, if you look at the space in between (holy shit deltarune????) Mega Heracross and Mega Skarmory, you'll notice that there's only one dummied out alternate form entry. There should be two, though, because both Sneasel (Hisuian Sneasel) and Corsola (Galarian Corsola) are in that range. If we assume that this means one of their evolutions would also be missing, the order of the pokemon in Paldea would be messed up anyway. But if you also consider the WEIRD PARTs of my first attempt to predict the new Megas, which involved the section from Clefable to Alakazam (where Hisuian Growlithe and Arcanine would be) missing exactly two entries, and the one untagged entry after Slowbro (which I thought at first was a new mega, but it was actually just Galarian Farfetch'd being added in the DLC), we know that at least some Hisuian forms are missing and at least some Galarian forms were present. Adding on to this, Falinks's pokedex entry was in the right place, which it wouldn't be if Cursola was missing.

But then I remembered that Hisuian Qwilfish was accounted for. So what gives? My guess is that ONLY Hisuian Qwilfish + Overqwil are there, and not any of the other Hisuian pokemon -- both regional forms and evos -- aside from a single exception. I tried counting pokemon from Falinks (the pokemon with the highest dex number available in Z-A) under this assumption, and you do manage to get an entry indicating Overqwil if you remove Wyrdeer, Kleavor, Ursaluna, Basculegion, and Sneasler. And if you remove them, that reduces the total number of pokemon (and therefore the index number of every Paldean pokemon) by 5, so that 906 (Sprigatito) would become 901 and 1010 (Annihilape) would become 1005. And THEN If you go back up and read the first paragraph in the spoiler again, you can probably see where I'm going with this. All of the Paldean entries are numbered wrong.

So what does this mean? Well, the list of Paldean pokemon appearing in the DLC might not actually be incomplete if adjusting the ID numbers by 5 fixes the issues with it. And it does shift by five, because the last other Hisuian pokemon, Enamorus, DOES seem to still have her dex entry AND one for her Therian form, even though the other forces of nature aren't there. A lot of these pokemon match with the ones thought to be getting megas and even some of the extra potential mega spots in the form list, which makes me think that there will be bonus megas handled in the same way as the datamined Mega Heatran, Darkrai, and Zeraora.

I'm starting from Hisui, since everything before that should be the same. And this is in index order, not pokedex order.

Overqwil
Enamorus
Greavard
Houndstone
Dondozo
Capsakid
Scovillain (should be getting a mega)
Frigibax
Arctibax
Baxcalibur (should be getting a mega)
Tatsugiri (should be getting a mega)
Cyclizar (Not at all confirmed/corroborated anywhere, but my theory is that Cyclizar might be getting a bonus mega, or even multiple)
Squawkabilly
Flamigo
Nacli
Naclstack
Garganacl
Glimmet
Glimmora (should be getting a mega? Based on what I can find, could also be Garg, Graf, or one of the dogs, but this is what the leak says)
Shroodle
Grafaiai
Fidough
Dachsbun
Maschiff
Mabosstiff
Gimmighoul
Golden Joseph
Tinkatink
Tinkatuff
Tinkaton
Charcadet
Armarouge
Ceruledge
Annihilape

My reasoning for the Mega Cyclizar thing is that there are still 3 scrubbed forms left over after Tatsugiri's Mega variations but before Squawkabilly, and Cyclizar is the only one from that range to be in the DLC. Also, there's a scrubbed section in the list of item names following Z-A key items (the part right after "Lida's Things") that I think might be the DLC mega stones, followed by multiple blank items before getting to Mega Shards. There are only 11 items in the scrubbed part, not enough for all of the leaked megas, but adding in the blank items puts you at 1 extra, which would be Cyclizar. The big question is why there are three spots for a Cyclizar mega in the form list... i swear to fuck if they make mega miraidon im going to

Anyway take all this with a grain of salt and get back to talking about what really matters (aka mega dragalge cancer juice)
If you're referring to what I think you are, all of the remaining "blanks" in the new mega list are preceded by a tastugiri mega (or a Magearna mega in the Alola section). So they presumably have something to do with those mons having different forms with different megas, but the forms all use the same stone. (i.e., there's just one tatsugirite but 3 megas).
 
shiny mega scoliosis (my phone auto corrected it that way and I’m leaving it in) looks really good, kind of wish it was green instead of turquoise since it takes from whirlipede but still a shiny I’m speed running for.

I hope dragalge gets regenerator so that it’s a cancerous toxic stall mon. I still don’t know how you would make it work better than base dragalge otherwise.
 
So I took a nap earlier and as I was falling asleep I had a thought.

AZ says that Zygarde goes where it needs to to protect the ecosystem. This is information we knew already, but the way it's reiterated in this game specifically to justify Zygarde's inclusion in SuMo, shows that this is a global travel method, not just within Kalos or even PokeEurope.

We don't know if the Pokémon world's geography is 1:1 with the real world's, but if it is, Kalos and Paldea are right next to each other. Which means that even without a global travel method, Zygarde would have an easy time getting to Paldea.

And yet...it isn't in ScaVio in any way. Does this mean that the ecosystem in Paldea wasn't in jeopardy from the time machine, and the AI Professor's worries were unfounded? Or did Zygarde know that the player had it under control?
either zygarde had bigger problems to deal with, or we dealt with the problem before zygarde even noticed.
 
Isn't Area Zero effectively contained when we get there? We're just trying to ensure it stays that way permanently. Zygarde didn't really have time to react to the very short timeframe we left the machine open or whatever.
 
Isn't Area Zero effectively contained when we get there? We're just trying to ensure it stays that way permanently. Zygarde didn't really have time to react to the very short timeframe we left the machine open or whatever.
Effectively contained to prevent humans from going in, sure. But we see a Paradox Donpan that left it during the main story, and that's way larger than a Zygarde Cell.
 
There is this guy called Grisham and I believe he is the boss of some sort of Neo Team Flare. Apparently he uses Mega Charizard X. Now I don't know if anyone else remembers this but during Part 1 of the Teraleak among the old XY character bios it was mentioned that Lysandre was originally going to use Mega Charizard (presumably X or Y depending on version, although this was never stated), so this is a fun coda to that bygone idea. I wonder if it was intentional, not as an easter egg for fans ofc they never meant for us to know that bit of lore, I mean as in maybe the devs went through those old documents or a senior staff member recalled it and went "Oh hey what if we brought this idea back for this new Team Flare leader"
 
Effectively contained to prevent humans from going in, sure. But we see a Paradox Donpan that left it during the main story, and that's way larger than a Zygarde Cell.
A singular Paradox Pokémon getting out might not have been enough to trigger Zygarde's alarm.

Honestly the mostly likely reason is Game Freak didn't want Zygarde to have access to Tera.
 
shiny mega scoliosis (my phone auto corrected it that way and I’m leaving it in) looks really good, kind of wish it was green instead of turquoise since it takes from whirlipede but still a shiny I’m speed running for.

I hope dragalge gets regenerator so that it’s a cancerous toxic stall mon. I still don’t know how you would make it work better than base dragalge otherwise.
losing adaptability would be an incredibly sharp decrease in power, very hard sell to turn a wall breaker into a wall.
 
A singular Paradox Pokémon getting out might not have been enough to trigger Zygarde's alarm.

Honestly the mostly likely reason is Game Freak didn't want Zygarde to have access to Tera.
Oh, I agree on your first point. My argument was less that the alarm would be triggered, and more that Zygarde could get cells into Area Zero to have an early-warning system. And thus, its lack of appearance implies that it determined things were either not dire, or under control via other means.

We'll see how Champions handles post-Dexit supermechanics, then.
 
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