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Other Looking Ahead to Gen VI Mark II (SEE POSTS #818 & #858)
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probably the latter, those sneaky bastards are trying to promote Ampharos
That entire battle just seemed so showcased - Showing off Topsy-Turvy, both Mega Blaziken AND Mega Ampharos' abilities, showing off rain in battle, and even the berry eating animation! Adimittedly, it's hard to stage Ice Beam freezing, but the point is, they still got to show it off. To me the most obvious part of that battle to show they were just showcasing stuff was when Gogoat used Horn Leech on Mega Ampharos, when it easily could have just KO'd the Slowbro. No one would have done that in a regular battle. They just wanted to showcase that Mega Ampharos was part Dragon type.
I don't know why, but it made me laugh how everybody gasped when the Shedinja got hit by an electric move.
I thinking it will evolve after the switch, it makes more sense to me but i guess we will have to wait and see, either way it is looking like charizard will be viable... now we just need them to take away the typing on hazards or something
Charizard is gonna be OU no question. Like Volcarona, it now has that catch that makes it a very potent threat. With a high spA, a decent speed, and it's ability to bring it's own sun. while helping it's other teammates, is a huge jump from it's previous counterpart. Obviously, a spinner would be highly recommended. Unfortunately, there aren't any spinners I can name off the top of my head who have good synergy with Charizard, and sun teams usually have poorer synergy than other teams. Donphan could work, but it won't be able handle the special attacks being thrown at Charizard, only handling the rock weakness. So Charizard will probably be used on hyper offensive teams, where synergy isn't the 1st priority. Actually while thinking of this, I just thought of an awesome offensive core. Charizard, Garchomp, and Venusaur. Garchomp takes stone edges, destroys Tyranitar, and other bulky pokemon who wall Charizard. Venusaur takes the Fairies and bulky Waters, and Charizard takes everything else. Slap a Heatran on there, and boom you take care of the prevalent ice weakness, and get a switch in to dragons. I'm already getting excited!
I don't think it's fair to compare Charizard and Volcarona, even though they both have a x4 Stealth Rock weakness. It's less of a big deal for Volcarona since more often than not it only needs to switch once with a good opportunity to Quiver Dance, since it's role is mostly being a late game sweeper. The Stealth Rock weakness is the big reason why you almost never see choiced Volcaronas. On the other hand, Charizard, as a weather starter, needs to be able to switch in very often to win the weather war. While you can have a Rapid Spinner on your team, it's not very hard to stop most spinners with a decent spinblocker or just maintain enough offensive pressure to stop them from spinning. I don't think Drought is going to make Charizard OU sadly (as much as I'd like it)...
Well, Charizard does have roost so it somewhat mitigates SR weakness with the expense of a turn. And if mega evolution happens after switch ins, then Charizard will switch in one less time and provide a lot of pressure, sort of like weather trapper Heatran. With access to focus blast, it threatens Tyranitar, and with Solarbeam, it threatens Politoed. So basically the other weather inducers have to wait a turn after Charizard mega evolves, then come in. It creates a lot more mind games, which is something Ninetales can't do. On that note, if we're comparing Ninetales to Mega 'zard, then I'll take 'zard. It trades a ground weakness for an electric weakness, which is a steal imo, considering ground is much more dominant. It has 3 switch ins instead of tales' 4, but with reliable recovery it covers that as well.
MegaEvolution is confirmed to happen at the start of the turn after moves are chosen. It's unclear whether it reverts on switch out to the trainer.
It's not as simple as all that though. Keep in mind that you only get to use one mega pokemon per team - so if you choose to use Mega Charizard over Ninetales for your sun team, then you've already used up your mega slot (whereas the Ninetales team can use a different Mega). Not to mention that the presence of a Venusaur (or other sun sweepers) will totally give away the fact you're running Mega Charizard - thus taking away the element of surprise in terms of "What poke on my opponents' team will be the mega?". Also, with x4 SR weakness, MegaZard cannot maintain sun, as it can't switch into battle frequently like Politoed and Tyranitar can. This is actually a big part of the reason why Ninetales and Abomasnow are considered to be such bad weather inducers - SR really limits their ability to continuously switch back in to battle, and win weather wars. For Zard it's obviously worse.
Also, Mega pokes are designed to be powerful; you can't compare them to regular pokemon. The reason for this is because Megas will be competing with other Megas for that one slot on your team - so even if Megazard has base 150SA (lol) it won't make one jot of difference if it turns out that OTHER megalutions are even more stupidly powerful. Because then they'll be used over Charizard. If that makes sense.
Honestly, drought may be an amazing ability - but given all the complicating factors around Charizard's existence, I actually highly doubt that it'll be very good. Remember Haxorus at the beginning of gen 5, guys. Or Rampardos/ Rhyperior at the beginning of gen 4 :p
I think people are seeing Mega Charizard wrong. I'm never going to use Mega Charizard and call it my Drought user. No no no, I will be using both Ninetales AND Charizard if I'm ever going to use it. With Charizard + Ninetales + Gothitelle, you can always win the weather war. Think about it: you send in Ninetales (or Charizard, it doesn't really matter) and they naturally will try to counter it with their weather starter. Well, you are free to simply Sunny Day because you'll know that if they KO you with Tyranitar or Hippowdon or Politoed, that Gothitelle can come right on in to trap and KO them with Specs Hidden Power Fighting, Grass Knot, or Thunder, respectively. Then you just send in the other one and sweep with the three other Chlorophyll sweepers you're packing. Obviously that's an exaggeration, but I can see a strategy like hat working very well. At the very least, now sun teams can run Double Drought (you heard it here first, folks) to help win the weather war. Additionally, if Charizard gets a boost to its SAtk and Speed, then I think it might even be viable on its own. You never know.
I think what makes MegaCharizard so dangerous is how he will ALWAYS have his weather up on turn 1. Mega Evolutions happen after the switch, so even if you send in Abomasnow/Hippowdown/Kyogre on the first turn, the Mega Evolution follows that, Drought activates, and then Charizard with his base speed that's higher than every other weather starter (besides Ninetales, but that still means Drought goes up) gets to fire off his attack first. Only Choice Scarf Tyranitar and Bulky Specs Politoed have anything to say about it: Tyranitar outspeeds (unless MegaCharizard has something silly like base 116 Speed) and OHKOs with Rock Slide while Bulky Politoed lives SolarBeam (assuming up to base 129 Special Attack) and has a 75% chance to OHKO with Hydro Pump under the sun.
I dunno if you can really claim this, because we are yet to see if there are other Drizzle / Sandstream / Snow Warning Pokemon. This strategy goes right out of the window if there are.
In other news, Charizard becomes a Dragon / Fire in Pokemon X when it mega evolves.
"This is an alternate Mega Evolution of Charizard. This Mega Charizard is exclusive to Pokémon X and is called Mega Charizard X. It is also to be a Fire/Dragon-type Pokémon with the new ability of Tough Claws which improves the power of Physical attacks. Its Attack stat is increased."
"This is an alternate Mega Evolution of Charizard. This Mega Charizard is exclusive to Pokémon X and is called Mega Charizard X. It is also to be a Fire/Dragon-type Pokémon with the new ability of Tough Claws which improves the power of Physical attacks. Its Attack stat is increased."
One the other hand, we do have some other generic-sounding abilities already (eg. Battle Armor, even Color Change) so this might be true. If that's the case, then looking at the way it's said "Mega Charizard X, exclusive to Pokemon X" does that mean there will be two MegaEvos of each 'mon? One X version and one Y version?
Edit @above: WTF IS THAT
Shit just got interesting.
ShootinStarmie below: Excuse my stupidity :p
I expect Charizard X to be a legitimate Dragon Dancer. Belly Zard and DD Zard already can score surprise kills(maybe based on surprise alone but whatever). But now with Solar Power Zard, Drought Zard and a form that significantly boosts physical prowess DD Zard could actually be scary if you don't see it coming.
Someone noted on the OI thread that it seems there's a pattern that one Megalution is a direct upgrade while the other branches into a new niche. Could this mean a Mega Venusaur with Chlorophyll and boosted SAtt+Speed?
Edit: Also, it looks like Dragonite has competition for Dragon Dancer most cock blocked by SR now!
Someone noted on the OI thread that it seems there's a pattern that one Megalution is a direct upgrade while the other branches into a new niche. Could this mean a Mega Venusaur with Chlorophyll and boosted SAtt+Speed?
Edit: Also, it looks like Dragonite has competition for Dragon Dancer most cock blocked by SR now!
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Charizard@Charizardlite X
Trait: Blaze (it turns into Tough Claws when Zard megaevolves)
Evs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
Jolly Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-ThunderPunch/Brick Break(whitout Thunder Punch Azumarill cockblocks you, while whitout Brick Breack Heatran does).
Earthquake could also be used, but since it's not a contact move Tough Claws does not boost it :/
Trait: Blaze (it turns into Tough Claws when Zard megaevolves)
Evs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 HP
Jolly Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Outrage/Dragon Claw
-ThunderPunch/Brick Break(whitout Thunder Punch Azumarill cockblocks you, while whitout Brick Breack Heatran does).
Earthquake could also be used, but since it's not a contact move Tough Claws does not boost it :/
Do you think we can expect more pokemon to have an X mega evo and a Y mega evo? At least the Legendaries and Starters I assume but giving two mega evos to everything seems a bit overkill. If that is the case, I fear what GameFreak has come up with for Garchomp's other mega evo...
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