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The tapus are fine with telepathy, however i dont find them viable in this meta.

I find kyube fine because his main problem that sticks him in OU is the lack of a spammable stab, not his rock weakness. Volc and dnite might be a problem, especially volca since nite might struggle against fairies. Zard X will be better since he can enter safely into the field and set up or spam status without having to worry about tapu fini. Another threat might be Tornadus-T since he can deal damage and regenerate his damage upon switching out without having to worry about stealth rock damage. I also want to add shedinja, without rocks or sand damage he might be a decent niche pick.

Since you unban deo-S, you might also unban deo-D, since his main niche is also stack hazzards, toxic recover sets might be decent, but also predictable and countereable. Pokemon weak to fire or flying might be a bit worse in this meta, since you can switch into them more efficently. Some steel types dont gain too much with stealth rock banned. I wouldn't find crazy a metagrossite unban, since he will struggle against fire and flying pokemon without rock or electric+ground coverage, however he would definetly be a mayor threat. Mega Luca might be a bit too strong, however.

I dont think sturdy deserves to be banned, since most sturdy pokemon are defensive, and if someone became too strong, you can just ban that pokemon. The only problem i can think of is F.E.A.R teams (aron, magnemite). With focus sash every pokemon can became a gen-5 alakazam. This might be a problem since frail pokemon can now survive an attack they might no te able too, like kartana or blacephalon. Since psychic terrain is banned, those 1hp pokemon can be revenged killed by priority more reliable, bot i dont know if that is enough. I support item clause implementation.

If focus sash is banned pokemon like pheromosa or deoxys-N can be unbanned, since their fraility, the lack of hazzards to pressure the opponent, and the lack of psychic terrain to support them will make them worse in this meta.
Thanks for the feedback!

The only reason I asked about the Tapus with Telepathy is because they are unobtainable at the moment, but as you said I don't see them as being overly dominant or maybe not even viable.

Zard-X would very easily be more viable, but I don't feel it would be dominant, at least not to the extent of Dragonite. I hadn't considered Tornadus-T, but now that you mention it he is a very big threat with regenerator. Shedinja is likely still a gimmick, albeit a more viable one than OU.

I had considered an unban on Deoxys-D, however I was concerned that its sheer bulk and ability to spread status, especially with Fini gone, would be too much, especially on stall teams. I would probably wait to see how the meta progresses before making a decision on Deoxys-D. I hadn't considered Mega-Metagross, but the points you make are valid. I would definitely consider a suspect on it, probably once a decision on Deoxys-D has been made.

I am definitely considering an item clause, due to FEAR strategies and other sash/counter options. Metal burst Sableye/Mawile are especially threatening with a sash, and can essentially remove a pokemon before fainting. I'm leaning towards starting with an item clause, and then if Sash/Sturdy remains a problem then banning them from there.
 
Permanent Effects

Mechanic: All field effects as well as status are permanent. Once set, all terrains, weather, rooms, are cannot be removed unless by another terrain/weather/room is set. Posion/Burn will continue to affect Pokemon even when swapped out(unless the ability Regenerator). So Toxic Orb mons will continue taking poison damage even when swapped out. Harsh sunlight and heavy rain will be permanent when Primals Groudon and Kyogre are on the field but will last 3 turns after they swap out. Basically BW OU+Ubers with a twist and more Pokemon.
Note: Screens are not permanent.

Clauses: OU clauses + ???

Banlist: M-Ray

Potential Bans and threats: The terrain seeds need to be reviewed, maybe some broken Pokemon that take advantage of terrains and weather. M-Swampert could be trouble with permanent Swift Swim. Snow Cloak and Sand Veil are broken and should definitely be banned with the OU evasion clause. Solar Blade and Solar Beam with permanent sun? Magearna on rain teams(weakens fire moves that hit it super effectively)?


Sandslash-A @ Light Clay
Ability: Slush Rush
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spe
-Aurora Veil
-Earthquake
-Icicle Crash
-Metal Claw / whatever

Sandslash-A, with support from Permanent Hail, is a bonafide sweeper that sets up Auro Veil. You could just do this with Ninetails-A but Sandslash wants some love.

Bans(WIP):

Viability affected: Guts mons, like Ursaring or something. Poison/burn still affects them even after switching out, so Guts user are not gonna like this meta. Hail might be good too because it is permanent. So Ninetails-A, Vanilluxe and Abomasnow have increased viability, helping Sandslash-A nicely, as well as Walrein with Ice Body which is essentially Lefties. So double lefties. And Blizz-spam from Abomasnow.


Questions for the community: Anything else that seems banworthy? Any ideas for a better name? Will Magic/Trick room be too broken?
 
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Photon Burst

Metagame Premisse: Every Pokémon with a signature Z-Move is allowed to Ultra Burst.

In-Depth explaination: When holding their respective Z-Crystals, the Pokémon are allowed to Ultra Burst (Stats calculation formula is below). Thay keep their original Type and Ability. You can have as many Ultra forms per team

Formula: Add +10 to the highest Offense, reduce -30 from the highest Defense and add +52 Speed. You then make both Offenses equal, as well as making both Defenses equal, based on the stat who changed.

Let's say, Mimikyu. 55 / 90 / 80 / 50 / 105 / 96. The highest offense is 90 and the highest defense is 105. So, with the boosts, 100 Atk and 75 Sp. Def (148 Speed). You then make these the stats for both Physical and Special, making it have 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148 in Ultra form.

Mew-Ultra: 100 / 110 / 70 / 110 / 70 / 152
Primarina-Ultra: 80 / 136 / 86 / 136 / 86 / 95
Decidueye-Ultra: 78 / 117 / 70 / 117 / 70 / 122
Incineroar-Ultra: 95 / 125 / 60 / 125 / 60 / 112
Raichu-Alola-Ultra: 60 / 105 / 55 / 105 / 55 / 162
Pikachu-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Pikachu-Ash-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Mimikyu-Ultra: 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148
Kommo-o-Ultra: 75 / 120 / 95 / 120 / 95 / 137
Lycanroc-Day-Ultra: 75 / 125 / 35 / 125 / 35 / 164
Lycanroc-Dusk-Ultra: 75 / 127 / 35 / 127 / 35 / 162
Lycanroc-Night-Ultra: 85 / 125 / 45 / 125 / 45 / 134
Eevee-Ultra: 55 / 65 / 35 / 65 / 35 / 107
Tapu Koko-Ultra: 70 / 125 / 55 / 125 / 55 / 182
Tapu Lele-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 147
Tapu Bulu-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 127
Tapu Fini-Ultra: 70 / 105 / 100 / 105 / 100 / 137

Lunala-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149
Solgaleo-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149


This is an OU-Based meta, with OU Bans and Clauses. Pokemon do not need to carry their specific Z-Move to Ultra Burst, just their Z-Crystals

Potential Bans: Kommo-o-Ultra (Or at the very least Clanging Scales, so it can't call the Z-Move)

Thanks to Cookie Butter for helping me come up with the idea
 
Photon Burst

Metagame Premisse: Every Pokémon with a signature Z-Move is allowed to Ultra Burst.

In-Depth explaination: When holding their respective Z-Crystals, the Pokémon are allowed to Ultra Burst (Stats calculation formula is below). Thay keep their original Type and Ability. You can have as many Ultra forms per team

Formula: Add +10 to the highest Offense, reduce -30 from the highest Defense and add +52 Speed. You then make both Offenses equal, as well as making both Defenses equal, based on the stat who changed.

Let's say, Mimikyu. 55 / 90 / 80 / 50 / 105 / 96. The highest offense is 90 and the highest defense is 105. So, with the boosts, 100 Atk and 75 Sp. Def (148 Speed). You then make these the stats for both Physical and Special, making it have 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148 in Ultra form.

Mew-Ultra: 100 / 110 / 70 / 110 / 70 / 152
Primarina-Ultra: 80 / 136 / 86 / 136 / 86 / 95
Decidueye-Ultra: 78 / 117 / 70 / 117 / 70 / 122
Incineroar-Ultra: 95 / 125 / 60 / 125 / 60 / 112
Raichu-Alola-Ultra: 60 / 105 / 55 / 105 / 55 / 162
Pikachu-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Pikachu-Ash-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Mimikyu-Ultra: 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148
Kommo-o-Ultra: 75 / 120 / 95 / 120 / 95 / 137
Lycanroc-Day-Ultra: 75 / 125 / 35 / 125 / 35 / 164
Lycanroc-Dusk-Ultra: 75 / 127 / 35 / 127 / 35 / 162
Lycanroc-Night-Ultra: 85 / 125 / 45 / 125 / 45 / 134
Eevee-Ultra: 55 / 65 / 35 / 65 / 35 / 107
Tapu Koko-Ultra: 70 / 125 / 55 / 125 / 55 / 182
Tapu Lele-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 147
Tapu Bulu-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 127
Tapu Fini-Ultra: 70 / 105 / 100 / 105 / 100 / 137

Lunala-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149
Solgaleo-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149


This is an OU-Based meta, with OU Bans and Clauses. Pokemon do not need to carry their specific Z-Move to Ultra Burst, just their Z-Crystals

Potential Bans: Kommo-o-Ultra (Or at the very least Clanging Scales, so it can't call the Z-Move)

Thanks to Cookie Butter for helping me come up with the idea
that looks pretty darn cool, but it doesnt really change the metagame too much.( <-im not smart this might be wrong) what if it was anything holding a z-move?
 

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that looks pretty darn cool, but it doesnt really change the metagame too much.( <-im not smart this might be wrong) what if it was anything holding a z-move?
I do like the idea, tho I'd have to expand the list of things that cannot go ultra. But wouldn't the premisse then be a bit too simillar to MnM?
 
I do like the idea, tho I'd have to expand the list of things that cannot go ultra. But wouldn't the premisse then be a bit too simillar to MnM?
That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that. But the ones who benefit the most are probably the starters, and they're still not exactly top-tier. Lots of the pokemon on that list would rather hold other items than their signature crystal, also. Mimikyu and Kommo-o are probably the top threats here, and you already mentioned a ban/nerf to Kommo-o.
 
Name: Dex Boost
Premise: Pokemon get their base stats boosted, and what stats get boosted depends on their Pokedex Number. Ubers do not get a boost.
Potential Bans: Eevium Z, Eviolite, Light Ball, Deep Sea Tooth/Deep Sea Scale, Light Club, Huge/Pure Power, Fur Coat, Shadow Tag, Smeargle, Xurkitree, Ubers Banlist. (Some depend on Pokedex Numbers)
Potential Threats: Kyurem-Black
Questions for the Community: Is this too complicated? Are my bans reasonable? What else should be banned?

How it works: The boosted stats are determined by the formula x mod 6, where x is the Pokemon's Pokedex Number. The outputs of the formula correspond to the following stats:
1: HP
2: Attack
3: Defense
4: Special Attack
5: Special Defense
0: Speed
The corresponding stat gets a +50 Boost. The 2 stats adjacent to the boosted stat also get a +25 Boost. For example, a Bulbasaur would get a +50 boost to HP, and +25 to Attack and Defense.
 
Photon Burst

Metagame Premisse: Every Pokémon with a signature Z-Move is allowed to Ultra Burst.

In-Depth explaination: When holding their respective Z-Crystals, the Pokémon are allowed to Ultra Burst (Stats calculation formula is below). Thay keep their original Type and Ability. You can have as many Ultra forms per team

Formula: Add +10 to the highest Offense, reduce -30 from the highest Defense and add +52 Speed. You then make both Offenses equal, as well as making both Defenses equal, based on the stat who changed.

Let's say, Mimikyu. 55 / 90 / 80 / 50 / 105 / 96. The highest offense is 90 and the highest defense is 105. So, with the boosts, 100 Atk and 75 Sp. Def (148 Speed). You then make these the stats for both Physical and Special, making it have 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148 in Ultra form.

Mew-Ultra: 100 / 110 / 70 / 110 / 70 / 152
Primarina-Ultra: 80 / 136 / 86 / 136 / 86 / 95
Decidueye-Ultra: 78 / 117 / 70 / 117 / 70 / 122
Incineroar-Ultra: 95 / 125 / 60 / 125 / 60 / 112
Raichu-Alola-Ultra: 60 / 105 / 55 / 105 / 55 / 162
Pikachu-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Pikachu-Ash-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Mimikyu-Ultra: 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148
Kommo-o-Ultra: 75 / 120 / 95 / 120 / 95 / 137
Lycanroc-Day-Ultra: 75 / 125 / 35 / 125 / 35 / 164
Lycanroc-Dusk-Ultra: 75 / 127 / 35 / 127 / 35 / 162
Lycanroc-Night-Ultra: 85 / 125 / 45 / 125 / 45 / 134
Eevee-Ultra: 55 / 65 / 35 / 65 / 35 / 107
Tapu Koko-Ultra: 70 / 125 / 55 / 125 / 55 / 182
Tapu Lele-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 147
Tapu Bulu-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 127
Tapu Fini-Ultra: 70 / 105 / 100 / 105 / 100 / 137

Lunala-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149
Solgaleo-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149


This is an OU-Based meta, with OU Bans and Clauses. Pokemon do not need to carry their specific Z-Move to Ultra Burst, just their Z-Crystals

Potential Bans: Kommo-o-Ultra (Or at the very least Clanging Scales, so it can't call the Z-Move)

Thanks to Cookie Butter for helping me come up with the idea
You forgot snorlax, which has signature pulverizing pancake. It would be quite good, if not broken, with an ultra form: 160/120/80/120/80/82 (642 BST)
 
Photon Burst

Metagame Premisse: Every Pokémon with a signature Z-Move is allowed to Ultra Burst.

In-Depth explaination: When holding their respective Z-Crystals, the Pokémon are allowed to Ultra Burst (Stats calculation formula is below). Thay keep their original Type and Ability. You can have as many Ultra forms per team

Formula: Add +10 to the highest Offense, reduce -30 from the highest Defense and add +52 Speed. You then make both Offenses equal, as well as making both Defenses equal, based on the stat who changed.

Let's say, Mimikyu. 55 / 90 / 80 / 50 / 105 / 96. The highest offense is 90 and the highest defense is 105. So, with the boosts, 100 Atk and 75 Sp. Def (148 Speed). You then make these the stats for both Physical and Special, making it have 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148 in Ultra form.

Mew-Ultra: 100 / 110 / 70 / 110 / 70 / 152
Primarina-Ultra: 80 / 136 / 86 / 136 / 86 / 95
Decidueye-Ultra: 78 / 117 / 70 / 117 / 70 / 122
Incineroar-Ultra: 95 / 125 / 60 / 125 / 60 / 112
Raichu-Alola-Ultra: 60 / 105 / 55 / 105 / 55 / 162
Pikachu-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Pikachu-Ash-Ultra: 35 / 65 / 20 / 65 / 20 / 142
Mimikyu-Ultra: 55 / 100 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 148
Kommo-o-Ultra: 75 / 120 / 95 / 120 / 95 / 137
Lycanroc-Day-Ultra: 75 / 125 / 35 / 125 / 35 / 164
Lycanroc-Dusk-Ultra: 75 / 127 / 35 / 127 / 35 / 162
Lycanroc-Night-Ultra: 85 / 125 / 45 / 125 / 45 / 134
Eevee-Ultra: 55 / 65 / 35 / 65 / 35 / 107
Tapu Koko-Ultra: 70 / 125 / 55 / 125 / 55 / 182
Tapu Lele-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 147
Tapu Bulu-Ultra: 70 / 140 / 85 / 140 / 85 / 127
Tapu Fini-Ultra: 70 / 105 / 100 / 105 / 100 / 137

Lunala-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149
Solgaleo-Ultra: 137 / 147 / 77 / 147 / 77 / 149


This is an OU-Based meta, with OU Bans and Clauses. Pokemon do not need to carry their specific Z-Move to Ultra Burst, just their Z-Crystals

Potential Bans: Kommo-o-Ultra (Or at the very least Clanging Scales, so it can't call the Z-Move)

Thanks to Cookie Butter for helping me come up with the idea
Does this means that kartana will get a spd boost and. 191/191/198 offenses???

Blissey also gets a huge defense boost but he is not very good with a z crystal.

EDIT: i didn't read the signature part.
 
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The central idea for my metagame is is my signature. I'm just going to add some bans/unbans.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~RULES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OU-Based, all mons have to be level 100.

Unbans:
Pheromosa
Deoxys
Deoxys-Speed
Deoxys-Attack

Bans:
Stakataka (might be suspected back in)
Sableye-Mega
Camerupt-Mega

Potential Suspects:
Escavalier
Ferrothorn
Abomasnow-Mega
Steelix-Mega
Shuckle

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FAQ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Why 6552?
I chose 6552 because it perfectly inverts the slowest possible mon and the fastest possible mon's speed; 0- Shuckle with 0 IVs would have 504 speed, and 252+ Deo-S with 31 IVs would have 14 speed.

How does this differ from MinekoLucky's Slowmons from back in gen6?
In Slowmons, there was a permanent trick room effect; in Trickmons, the raw speed is simply put through an equation. This changes the metagame since moves that would usually slow you down (like Curse or V-create) still do, while they would actually make you faster in Slowmons. This leads to a slightly more balanced meta.

Isn't this too similar to Slowmons to be allowed as an OM?
I am aware that my meta is very similar to Slowmons (I actually came up with Trickmons before I knew about it though), and I definitely would've asked for permission from MinekoLucky if I could've, but...
Screenshot 2018-05-30 at 13.33.12.png

So yeah.

Why didn't you ban [fast_ubers_mon]?
I might suspect a few in, but all the ones other than Phero and the Deoxes seem like they'd still be too good for the meta despite their inverted speed tier.
 
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I feel like it might be better to instead modify the Pokemon's base speed by pivoting around 92 for instance (essentially New Base=92+(92-[Old Base Speed])). To show what that'd do to the extremes:

Shuckle's New Base Speed = 92+(92-5) = 179 Base Speed
Deoxys-S's New Base Speed = 92+(92-180) = 4 Base Speed.

Main advantage of doing this (if I understand your formula correctly) is that it doesn't automatically give every Pokemon the equivalent of 252+ Speed EVs for free, since in your meta there's pretty much no reason to never run the absolute "minimum" speed. That both means that speed tiers aren't almost completely absolute, people have to actually invest EVs into speed if they want to go fast, and also means that "slow" heavy hitters can't also increase their bulk.

It's also a hell of a lot easier to figure out in teambuilder, but that's just a side bonus.
 
13 is not the "slowest mon possible": simply drop your Shuckle to level 99, and it can hit 12 speed normally (hence a big jump to 546 in this adjusted world). For that matter, level 1 Endeavor users with base speeds below 50 can reach an innate 1636 speed without having to pack priority moves--possibly even higher, depending on whether Iron Ball/Power Weight/etc. effectively work to make them even faster.
 

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What I don’t get is why you don’t just say that Trick Rook is always active. That is effectively what is happening here.
He does answer that bit at least - if Trick Room is constantly active then moves like Dragon Dance and Shell Smash functionally reduce your speed, while moves like Hammer Arm and V-Create increase it. Choice Scarf also becomes a slowing item, while Power items are functionally a +2 Speed boost with no downside.

By modifying the speed directly, it prevents these unintentional side effects.
 

Gryphon827

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I feel like it might be better to instead modify the Pokemon's base speed by pivoting around 92 for instance (essentially New Base=92+(92-[Old Base Speed])). To show what that'd do to the extremes:

Shuckle's New Base Speed = 92+(92-5) = 179 Base Speed
Deoxys-S's New Base Speed = 92+(92-180) = 4 Base Speed.

Main advantage of doing this (if I understand your formula correctly) is that it doesn't automatically give every Pokemon the equivalent of 252+ Speed EVs for free, since in your meta there's pretty much no reason to never run the absolute "minimum" speed. That both means that speed tiers aren't almost completely absolute, people have to actually invest EVs into speed if they want to go fast, and also means that "slow" heavy hitters can't also increase their bulk.
That's honestly a way better idea than my original one. A lot more balanced. If I do end up submitting the meta, it'd probably be with that equation. Thanks for the help.
 
Dumpmons

pokemon can only use moves they can have from level 5 or below so egg moves and such if the pokemon does not come in a level 5 variant use the prevos moves

does this sound like an interesting concept?
does it affect the meta in any forseeable way?
any bans you can think of cause i got non
 

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Dumpmons

pokemon can only use moves they can have from level 5 or below so egg moves and such if the pokemon does not come in a level 5 variant use the prevos moves

does this sound like an interesting concept?
does it affect the meta in any forseeable way?
any bans you can think of cause i got non
Doesn't really sound interesting imo. It just restricts what you can use.
 

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Dumpmons

pokemon can only use moves they can have from level 5 or below so egg moves and such if the pokemon does not come in a level 5 variant use the prevos moves

does this sound like an interesting concept?
does it affect the meta in any forseeable way?
any bans you can think of cause i got non
Note, and this is important, that you can always breed down any level up moves that the basic stage learns as well as Egg moves, as long as the Pokémon can breed without Ditto. Beyond that, as of Gen 7, the move relearner also lets a Pokémon access its entire level up movepool at any level. I think you need to rephrase this to make it clearer because all it seems to do is restrict some event moves.
 
The way I'm reading this format is "Ignore the expanded G7 functionality of the move relearner, and the ability to inherit level-up moves regardless of their nominal level as long both parents have that same move to pass down. Build movesets out of nothing but egg moves and level-up moves that have a nominal level of 5 or lower. If the Pokemon you're using on the team could not have existed in its current evolutionary stage at level 5, back up a stage at a time until you find a stage it could have reached by that level, and the snapshot of level-up moves you get to choose from considers only that stage." (So for something like Greninja, who gets moves like Water Shuriken and Night Slash at level 0-1, you don't get to consider those moves; only Froakie is available that low so the only moves you get to choose from are Pound, Growl, Bubble, and egg moves. Evolution lines that don't have a representative that has ever been available as low as level 5, like Silvally and Naganadel, are presumably banned.)

Magnezone is not available at level 5, but it is available at level 6--that's only because it has to level up at least once from Magneton, who is available at level 5. However, the only way to get a level 6 Magnezone requires all of the following: hatch a Lickitung egg in VC GSC, use the time machine to send if back to Yellow, perform the in-game trade there for Lickitung, send that forward to Crystal, make another in-game trade for L5 Magneton, drop it into Pokemon Bank, withdraw in an Alola game, go to a magnetic area, and use a rare candy so that you stop exactly on 6 instead of overshooting to some higher level.

As a consequence of this, any such L5 Magneton or L6 Magnezone must have Analytic instead of any other ability, it cannot have spent any time in a G3/4/5/6 game, and since it was obtained in a trade, it won't have any egg moves (this last point obviously isn't relevant to Magneton, since its egg move list has always been empty, but it can be a complicating factor in a few other cases like Machamp). It also can't be shiny, since the in-game trade Magneton was locked to IV byres of 9666, but that's obviously less relevant. Now consider these points:
* Tri Attack is now available as a level 0 move for Magneton (and also, redundantly, level 1), but has never been available to Magnemite in any game
* Metal Sound was given as a level 1 move for Magneton (as well as Magnemite) in G3/4/5, but ever since 6 it's been pushed back to later levels only

With that established, do you agree with either of these legality checks?
* "If Magnezone wants to run Magnet Pull or Sturdy, that means it can't be the VC transfer, and crucially it cannot possibly have existed at the 'Level 5 (or lower) Magneton' stage. Thus, the operative evolutionary stage we should be looking at for legality purposes in this case is actually Magnemite, and that pool doesn't include Tri Attack, so Tri Attack Magnezone should not be allowed to exist in this format unless it also has Analytic."
* "If someone does want to use Tri Attack Magnezone, they need the evolutionary check to stop rolling back as soon as it considers Magneton stage. Metal Sound does appear as a level 1 move for Magneton in some games, but only in games where level 5 Magneton cannot legally exist, so Tri Attack Magnezone should not be able to have Metal Sound."

Not that I think it's a particularly good format anyway, but these are the kinds of questions you have to consider when you're determining your basis for legal movepool on grounds like that.
 
I think an OM with no hax might be interesting and might make people realize why the accuracy or secondary effect might help balance the game.
The game will have all moves at 100% acc and any move with secondary effect will be nullified(like spatt drop or burn) but stat drops from move still exist.
OU clauses+OU ban list
any suggestions?
 
I think an OM with no hax might be interesting and might make people realize why the accuracy or secondary effect might help balance the game.
The game will have all moves at 100% acc and any move with secondary effect will be nullified(like spatt drop or burn) but stat drops from move still exist.
OU clauses+OU ban list
any suggestions?
This has been proposed and rejected many times, so I would recommend you to think about, well, basically any other idea.
 

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Metagame Premisse: All Pokémon lose their secondary type

Potential Threats:


All the 3 listed above have a nieche - They are the only Flying-Types in the meta. Being all able to dish out decent damage against the likes of Mega Venusaur and Tangrowth, they are interesting options to consider



Due to sharing the same stats, and now the same type, the only thing really differing them is the move they get. They also plagiarize Eelektross in being electric + Levitate, granting them no weaknesses as long as Mold Breaker isn't a factor (Specially since Zygarde now lost STAB on Thousand Arrows).


With a much better defensive type, wide pool and good mixed stats, Kyurem ramps up in viability. It's not that slow, has useful resistances, and doesn't mind it's weaknesses as much (Only 9 Fairy-Types, of which only Clefable, Sylveon and Florges are worth something. Mono-Ice wouldn't be run that much either, tho it's a more common coverage). Kyurem seems very versatile overall and will probably be used a lot more


I'll update this post later with some mons that were nerfed too. For now, this is all
 
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