changing some ubers abilities to an 'inferiour' one won't solve the fact that they are broken. Palkia, Dialga, giratina, mewtwo, etc. aren't broken because of pressure, they are broken because of their stats, movepools or a combination of them. This change won't balance a lot of the ubers and you also restrict some random other mons like metagross for example.
The choice lock thing is kinda interesting, but it just seems like an RNG fest.
Why this is not a meta already I don't know why.
Regenerator mons like Slowbro might be too strong; able to set up while keeping Regenerator momentum.
afaik its just stat changes, and not other semipermeables like confuse and psong
There is something like that called "Battle Factory", where it's a Random Battle that takes place in a random tier (From Ubers to PU plus LC and Monotype) that uses viable sets from that tier and has team preview (I'd assume the Gen 8 version would not use Dynamax). The Gen 7 version still has a ladder, but I'm guessing the Gen 8 version hasn't been made yet since all the metagames have to settle down first.
While this meta seems interesting for a tour, I don't think it would have enough lasting interest to sustain a fully developed metagame, especially because the limited choices make balance likely impossible.Apparently nobody suggested this yet (perhaps for good reason)
Dexit Meta
Premise: The only Pokemon allowed are those currently not obtainable in Sword and Shield.
Explanation: I've seen a lot of SwSh based OMs and NatDex based OMs, but nothing based on the Pokemon which aren't available by any means. So I wondered what a metagame would look like if only the cut Pokemon could be used; think of it like the ones left behind trying to form a metagame as all their friends and foes were shipped off to Galar.
After two rounds of DLC, turns out there's not much left. Here's a list of FE Pokemon that would be available and not Uber:
(lmao)
Definite Bans:
Darkrai, Greninja-Ash, Arceus, Shaymin-Sky, Deoxys, Deoxys-Attack, Deoxys-Speed, Unown (For stability reasons)
Potential Bans:
Deoxys-Defense, Greninja, Hoopa-Unbound, Staraptor, Gliscor
Observations:
This gives me serious Clean Slate vibes in the sense it's a super-condensed "micro-meta," and is reminiscent of older generations like RBY/GSC where the amount of Pokemon was just naturally small and you had to work with what you got. The pool of available Pokemon is absolutely tiny, and I think that opens up a lot of interesting teambuilding challenges.
For example:
Granbull and Florges are the only two fully-evolved Fairy types in the game.
There are ZERO Dragons.
Like Fast Electric types? There's only two that have over 100 Speed.
Steels are reaching PU territory of scarce.
Like Ice types? There's only two.
Like Normal and Bug types? We've plenty of those.
There's a combination of really strong Pokemon intermixed with some really niche options and some stuff which has been unviable for generations. Big names in Greninja, Gliscor, Serperior, Infernape, Hoopa, Empoleon, Breloom, Alolan Muk, Staraptor, Deoxys-Defense, and Manaphy, some mid-tier Pokes with sizeable viability such Forretress, Feraligatr, Swellow, Yanmega, Shaymin, Alomomola, Meloetta, Florges, and Venomoth, and some really strange options which I can't recall the last time they were important like Grumpig, Arbok, Golem, Electrode, Probopass, Floatzel, Zebstrika, Sawsbuck, Bruxish, and freaking Hypno.
I think this would end up being a really interesting meta if some of the more problematic Pokemon were banned, but it also could be... lame? There's not a lot of stand-out Pokemon and it could end up super-centralized as a result. On the other hand, it'd be nice to get to use these long-forgotten (mostly) Pokemon of the past.
I wanted to make something that brought these Pokemon back, not sure if there is enough going on here however. So I'm wondering: would you be interested in playing such a meta? Do you have ideas on how we can make things more interesting?
Other questions:
Do we allow any potential new moves listed here?
Would you like to see Mega Evolutions enabled? Medicham-Mega would probably get banned, maybe Beedrill too
Would you like to see lost moves returned? Unown would still be trash
No. No. No. All of these make this a Pet Mod, not an OM, something this already treads very close to.
This seems like it would garner negligible interest. Old gens with fewer mons is something Ruins of Alph would maybe do? But I would not approve this, it just doesn't offer enough over either old gen OU or current gen stuff.
As Urkerab said this is essentially Reliablemons. I would not personally object to seeing a Reliablemons revival. You may want to check out the old thread: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/reliablemons.3515558/
This isn't how most of these work. Rain Dance summons the rain field effect. The field effect doesn't care what type Rain Dance is, and will always boost the Water type and weaken the Fire type. Pretty much all of these are wrong except for the Flash Fire interaction from Will-O-Wisp, which is based on type not the move itself.
I could see something along the lines of punishment based on remaining mons working, but disobedience is RNG-heavy and icky. Ideally you'd want something that didn't punish any playstyle too heavily. I was thinking increased damage per mon down, although that makes stall very difficult. It doesn't completely eliminate suicide leads though which is nice. Stall usually tries not to have stuff die anyway.
This seems interesting and super hard to balance. Stored Power and Power Trip need to be banned for sure. Charm and other stat lowering moves would be nice. If you submit this we'll certainly consider it, although we may decide it will be too over the top broken. Not that that always stops a meta from being popular ;]
You need a new name, Follow the Leader is something else in OMs. Movepool and maybe ability I don't remember not stats. Frankly I think that Follow the Leader is superior to this idea in terms of how interesting and flexible it is in teambuilding.
I'll definitely work to get my 20 posts in and submit it. id love to see this meta play out even if it turns out to be too much
Trick room can be countered by trick room. Trapping moves are worth banning because trapping forever would be broken
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/om-index-sun-moon-edition.3587933/#post-7104137
Maybe "Grookey See, Grookey Do?" And how can I improve on this idea? Maybe I can build on the past OM? Can I have a little more feedback on this one?
