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Some sets I'm keen to try (no idea how good they'll be)
Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Double Hit
- Superpower
Factoring in STAB, Infestate and Technician, Double Hit has 100 power per hit! Calcs:
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 440-518 (104.7 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 416-494 (118.1 - 140.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 830-978 (129.2 - 152.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Double-Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Superpower / Knock Off
Standard Band Azumarill, but now with a STAB with almost twice the power of Waterfall. You could also run shiny if you want Double-Edge to be Fairy type.
Terrakion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Return
- Quick Attack
Rock type Return is stronger than Close Combat and gets better neutral coverage. Quick Attack lets me beat opposing priority users.
Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Overheat / Fire Blast
- Nature Power
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Ice
With Nature Power, Heatran now has a reliable Steel STAB which also has a 30% chance to cause status.
Cleable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Brave Nature
- Double-Edge
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast / Grass Knot
- Softboiled
Mixed Clefable is back! Double-Edge 2HKOes Chansey after Stealth Rock, and thanks to Pixilate and STAB hits really hard. Fire Blast toasts the bulky Steel types not named Heatran. Focus Blast does heavy damage to Heatran and Tyranitar, OHKOing offensive versions of the latter. Grass Knot hurts bulky Water and Ground types, 2HKOing Hippowdon and Calm Mind Mega Slowbro (the latter after Stealth Rock). Softboiled keeps you healthy. Life Orb powers up your moves, and has no recoil thanks to Magic Guard.
Scizor @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Double Hit
- Superpower
Factoring in STAB, Infestate and Technician, Double Hit has 100 power per hit! Calcs:
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 440-518 (104.7 - 123.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 416-494 (118.1 - 140.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Technician Scizor Double Hit (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 830-978 (129.2 - 152.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Double-Edge
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Superpower / Knock Off
Standard Band Azumarill, but now with a STAB with almost twice the power of Waterfall. You could also run shiny if you want Double-Edge to be Fairy type.
Terrakion @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Return
- Quick Attack
Rock type Return is stronger than Close Combat and gets better neutral coverage. Quick Attack lets me beat opposing priority users.
Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
- Overheat / Fire Blast
- Nature Power
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Ice
With Nature Power, Heatran now has a reliable Steel STAB which also has a 30% chance to cause status.
Cleable @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Brave Nature
- Double-Edge
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast / Grass Knot
- Softboiled
Mixed Clefable is back! Double-Edge 2HKOes Chansey after Stealth Rock, and thanks to Pixilate and STAB hits really hard. Fire Blast toasts the bulky Steel types not named Heatran. Focus Blast does heavy damage to Heatran and Tyranitar, OHKOing offensive versions of the latter. Grass Knot hurts bulky Water and Ground types, 2HKOing Hippowdon and Calm Mind Mega Slowbro (the latter after Stealth Rock). Softboiled keeps you healthy. Life Orb powers up your moves, and has no recoil thanks to Magic Guard.
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oh no
Anyways, to not detract from the topic,
What other weird things do you expect to see in the meta, even moreso with secondary typed STABs becoming a thing?
This is a really interesting set. I remember seeing something similar to this back when this was OMotM the first time, in the form of Hustle Togekiss. It actually caught me surprisingly off-guard as its Extreme Speed was actually decently powerful.
What other weird things do you expect to see in the meta, even moreso with secondary typed STABs becoming a thing?
Again?
Pikachuun get your meta in order.
speaking of stuff...
Thundurus @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
Shiny: Yes
Cvs: 24 Atk / 232 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Return
- Nasty Plot
- Hidden Power Ice
Just a fun little mixed attacker I used last time it was OMOTM
The main difference I see with this meta after the recent change is that a lot more Flying-types are going to be able to utilize their Flying-type for the purpose of their -ate ability. Before it was just Noivern (and Tornadus), but now any Flying-type that doesn't still want to use its primary type has that opportunity. So, uh, expect birdspam when the OMotM ladder goes up
It's inaccurate, unfortunately, but fairly powerful. I'd sooner go Shiny for the Steel typing, personally, even considering the redundancy with Bullet Punch. Bug is just not a good attacking type, and it's not even complimentary with Steel. Seven types resist Bug, where only four resist Steel, and Electric is not noted for its walls, so unless you've got specific targets in mind (Such as Ferrothorn, admittedly) Steel will often be the better typing. Among other points, being only singly resisted by Skarmory is quite nice.
I'm not sure why you'd want your Azumarill killing itself on every attack for a less than 20% increase in power over Return/Frustration. Are there any particular targets it passes a critical threshold on?
A different angle would be to run Body Slam. It's still a substantial increase in firepower over Waterfall (Or Play Rough if Shiny) while spreading Paralysis, making Azumarill more than just a wallbreaker/item remover.
... it already has a reliable Steel STAB? Flash Cannon. Spreading Status is good, of course, but it wasn't lacking a Special Steel STAB.
An alternative would be Uproar. I mean, you are already choice-locked by the Scarf, though admittedly Uproar also traps you.
Medicham-Mega with a Perfect accuracy Fighting-Return.(Or a more powerful Zen Headbutt)
It was in a sentence in the OP, but I made it a bit clearer anyway for your convenience.
Much appreciated, thank you.
I'm not sure if you are comparing that to Golurk's Mega Kick or not, since those are two very different mons, typing, and levels of strength. It's seems like a good idea, I would lean towards the stronger psychic STAB since HJK is almost the same as -ate fighting Return.
I'm also excited to try Lucario with Steel Espeed. Way stronger than Bullet Punch (I wanna say..156 after ate+STAB). Steel as opposed to fighting because Close Combat is better than Iron Tail, also hits everything for damage (fighting Espeed can't hit ghosts for priority).
Also, everything with adaptability gets -ate Return, a 264 BP move that's stronger than MegaLuc's Close Combat. LO/CB Crawdaunt can overcome it in power.
Obviously Aerodactyl has been brought up before, but now it has actual flying stab that gets the boost from tough claws (stone edge is way better than aerial ace already)
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Aerial Ace vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 304-358 (72.3 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Aerial Ace vs. 252 HP / 144+ Def Hippowdon: 304-358 (72.3 - 85.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Sorry. I deleted this post because I searched the thread incorrectly when I hadn't found my answer.
I just re read and saw tech still works with 60 base moves, and that's all I needed to know.
I am still searching and finding answers. It seems this post was not needed. Sorry.
To be worthwhile I simply wanted to strongly reccomend FACADE USERS.
gliscor shiny particularly
I just re read and saw tech still works with 60 base moves, and that's all I needed to know.
I am still searching and finding answers. It seems this post was not needed. Sorry.
To be worthwhile I simply wanted to strongly reccomend FACADE USERS.
gliscor shiny particularly
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double edge/return and facade in azumarill with pixillate or hydrate, is good set...
I'm assuming you changed Aerial Ace's BP to 132? MegaAero is certainly going to be an A rank threat. It has the moves (now) to be very anti-meta, with its combination of Rock Flying offense and a spectacular array of stats. Tough claws makes its STAB Return a 269 BP hit, and many will be hit for neutral or SE damage. Very dangerous, pack a good steel like Doublade or Registeel, one that isn't neutral to flying moves like Ferro or to rock like Skarm. Bronzong could be a decent wall here to, with his EQ immunity.
Time to start experimenting on PS!
It still suffers from the same problems it always does: It's kinda slow, and not all that bulky. Good for demolishing slower teams, but that's about it.