By Ghoul King and FlameUser64
Approved by Eevee General
Mix-and-Mega
The basic concept of this metagame is that you can use any Mega Stone (or the Red/Blue Orbs) on any Pokémon. When that Pokémon then Mega Evolves (or undergoes Primal Reversion), it gains the same stat increases that the original user of that Mega Stone/Orb does, along with its ability and any type changes that the Mega Evolved/Primal Reverted form has compared to the base form.
For example:
Altaria's stats are:
75/70/90/70/105/80
When it Mega Evolves, its stats become:
75/110/110/110/105/80
Compared to the base form, this is an increase of +40 in Attack, +20 in Defence, and +40 in Sp. Attack, along with a typing change from Dragon/Flying to Dragon/Fairy and an ability change to Pixilate. Thus, Altarianite gives those boosts to any Pokémon who Mega Evolves with it.
Altarianite:
Atk +40, Def +20, Sp. Atk +40, gain secondary Fairy typing and Pixilate.
*If you use a Mega Stone or Orb that gives you a secondary typing that's the same as your primary typing, you obviously no longer have a secondary typing. A Lopunnite Lucario, for instance, is pure Fighting-type because Lopunnite replaces its Steel typing with Fighting.
Note that this also applies to weight changes between base form and Mega/Primal form, for the sake of consistency where the moves Low Kick, Grass Knot, Heat Crash, and Heavy Slam are concerned. If a Pokémon's weight would end up being zero or lower from a Mega Stone causing a weight reduction, their weight is instead set to 0.1 kg.
A Mega Stone or Orb cannot be Knocked Off, Tricked/Switcherooed, Flung, Magicianed, Thieved, Coveted, Pickpocketed, or in any other way removed from its holder if the holder can Mega Evolve/Primal Revert with it, regardless of whether the holder is the "correct" species or not.
Any Pokemon that ends up at or below 0, or above 255, in a stat from a given Mega Evolution/Primal Reversion's modifications is barred from using that Mega Stone/Orb. For instance, Shuckle is barred from Sablenite, both because it would raise its Defense/Sp. Defense above 255 and because it would end up with negative Speed.
If a Pokémon with multiple Formes that it can change between mid-battle Mega Evolves, it is locked into a Mega based on that Forme. For example, a Meloetta that uses Relic Song, then Mega Evolves next turn will remain as Meloetta-Pirouette-Mega regardless of switching, Relic Song, or whatever else. On a technicality, Transform/Imposter, Protean, and Color Change are not Forme changes, unfortunately. This means that as much fun as it would be, you don't get to Imposter something like, for example, Primal Groudon, and then Mega Evolve to be permanently transformed into Primal Groudon with an additional +100 BST on top of that.
Even if a Pokémon knows Dragon Ascent and is also holding a Mega Stone, it does not get the boosts of both Mega Evolutions simultaneously. The Mega Stone takes priority. While giving Smeargle +200 BST might be amusing and likely wouldn't even be particularly broken (450 BST isn't much in Ubers, even with access to Shell Smash, Extreme Speed, and Boomburst), I think I have to disallow it due to excessive silliness.
Rules:
— Ubers clauses and banlist
— Any number of Pokémon per team can Mega Evolve.
— Pokémon OU and below can use any Mega Stone/Orb to Mega Evolve/Primal Revert as presented in the basic premise of this meta. Ubers Pokémon are limited to their own Mega Stones/Orbs.
— Mega Stone/Orb Clause: Limit 1 of each type of Mega Stone/Orb per team.
The following bans/restrictions are in place:
— Kyurem-Black may not hold any Mega Stones or Orbs (it becomes completely absurd with many of them).
— Slaking and Regigigas may not hold any Mega Stones or Orbs. Like Kyurem-Black, they're very ridiculous with a large number of them.
— Beedrillite may not be held by anything other than Beedrill and its prevos.
— Mawilite may not be held by any Pokémon other than Mawile, Medicham, Azumarill, Diggersby, and their prevos (all have access to Huge Power/Pure Power through some means normally).
— Medichamite may not be held by any Pokémon other than Medicham, Mawile, Azumarill, Diggersby, and their prevos (all have access to Huge Power/Pure Power through normal means).
— Kangaskhanite may not be held by any Pokémon other than Kangaskhan.
— Only Gengar, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet (already get Shadow Tag), and their prevos may hold Gengarite.
— Only Blaziken, Ninjask, Sharpedo, Scolipede, Yanmega (already get Speed Boost), and their prevos may hold Blazikenite.
Current suspects are:
— Mewtwonite X on anything other than Mewtwo
— Medichamite on Mawile (and possibly just Medichamite on anything other than Medicham to prevent excessive complex bans)
Current suspects for unbanning are:
— Medichamite and Mawilite on any Pokémon species that gets Hustle naturally. (Main problem Pokémon appears to be Durant, which hits 149 Attack with Pure Power if given Medichamite. Others are all NFEs plus Delibird and Togekiss, which all have low enough Attack and/or low enough other stats that they appear to be fine.)
At this point, the above is probably not gonna happen. Many things are just too scary with it, even if they end up with next to no bulk. The ability to one-shot Groudon without boosts is not to be taken lightly.
The Mega Stones and Orbs and their effects:
Not playable anywhere yet.
To get some discussion going, what do people think of the possibility of allowing Medichamite and Mawilite on Hustle mons?
Edit: Likely not happening. Togekiss doesn't seem too scary, but Pure Power Darumaka with 130 base Attack is quite terrifying if it lives long enough to get a Flame Charge up.
Edit2: Red and Blue Orbs are now usable! Keep in mind that Primal Reversion completely ignores your base ability!
Approved by Eevee General
Mix-and-Mega
The basic concept of this metagame is that you can use any Mega Stone (or the Red/Blue Orbs) on any Pokémon. When that Pokémon then Mega Evolves (or undergoes Primal Reversion), it gains the same stat increases that the original user of that Mega Stone/Orb does, along with its ability and any type changes that the Mega Evolved/Primal Reverted form has compared to the base form.
For example:
Altaria's stats are:
75/70/90/70/105/80
When it Mega Evolves, its stats become:
75/110/110/110/105/80
Compared to the base form, this is an increase of +40 in Attack, +20 in Defence, and +40 in Sp. Attack, along with a typing change from Dragon/Flying to Dragon/Fairy and an ability change to Pixilate. Thus, Altarianite gives those boosts to any Pokémon who Mega Evolves with it.
Altarianite:
Atk +40, Def +20, Sp. Atk +40, gain secondary Fairy typing and Pixilate.
*If you use a Mega Stone or Orb that gives you a secondary typing that's the same as your primary typing, you obviously no longer have a secondary typing. A Lopunnite Lucario, for instance, is pure Fighting-type because Lopunnite replaces its Steel typing with Fighting.
Note that this also applies to weight changes between base form and Mega/Primal form, for the sake of consistency where the moves Low Kick, Grass Knot, Heat Crash, and Heavy Slam are concerned. If a Pokémon's weight would end up being zero or lower from a Mega Stone causing a weight reduction, their weight is instead set to 0.1 kg.
A Mega Stone or Orb cannot be Knocked Off, Tricked/Switcherooed, Flung, Magicianed, Thieved, Coveted, Pickpocketed, or in any other way removed from its holder if the holder can Mega Evolve/Primal Revert with it, regardless of whether the holder is the "correct" species or not.
Any Pokemon that ends up at or below 0, or above 255, in a stat from a given Mega Evolution/Primal Reversion's modifications is barred from using that Mega Stone/Orb. For instance, Shuckle is barred from Sablenite, both because it would raise its Defense/Sp. Defense above 255 and because it would end up with negative Speed.
If a Pokémon with multiple Formes that it can change between mid-battle Mega Evolves, it is locked into a Mega based on that Forme. For example, a Meloetta that uses Relic Song, then Mega Evolves next turn will remain as Meloetta-Pirouette-Mega regardless of switching, Relic Song, or whatever else. On a technicality, Transform/Imposter, Protean, and Color Change are not Forme changes, unfortunately. This means that as much fun as it would be, you don't get to Imposter something like, for example, Primal Groudon, and then Mega Evolve to be permanently transformed into Primal Groudon with an additional +100 BST on top of that.
Even if a Pokémon knows Dragon Ascent and is also holding a Mega Stone, it does not get the boosts of both Mega Evolutions simultaneously. The Mega Stone takes priority. While giving Smeargle +200 BST might be amusing and likely wouldn't even be particularly broken (450 BST isn't much in Ubers, even with access to Shell Smash, Extreme Speed, and Boomburst), I think I have to disallow it due to excessive silliness.
Rules:
— Ubers clauses and banlist
— Any number of Pokémon per team can Mega Evolve.
— Pokémon OU and below can use any Mega Stone/Orb to Mega Evolve/Primal Revert as presented in the basic premise of this meta. Ubers Pokémon are limited to their own Mega Stones/Orbs.
— Mega Stone/Orb Clause: Limit 1 of each type of Mega Stone/Orb per team.
The following bans/restrictions are in place:
— Kyurem-Black may not hold any Mega Stones or Orbs (it becomes completely absurd with many of them).
— Slaking and Regigigas may not hold any Mega Stones or Orbs. Like Kyurem-Black, they're very ridiculous with a large number of them.
— Beedrillite may not be held by anything other than Beedrill and its prevos.
— Mawilite may not be held by any Pokémon other than Mawile, Medicham, Azumarill, Diggersby, and their prevos (all have access to Huge Power/Pure Power through some means normally).
— Medichamite may not be held by any Pokémon other than Medicham, Mawile, Azumarill, Diggersby, and their prevos (all have access to Huge Power/Pure Power through normal means).
— Kangaskhanite may not be held by any Pokémon other than Kangaskhan.
— Only Gengar, Gothitelle, Wobbuffet (already get Shadow Tag), and their prevos may hold Gengarite.
— Only Blaziken, Ninjask, Sharpedo, Scolipede, Yanmega (already get Speed Boost), and their prevos may hold Blazikenite.
Current suspects are:
— Mewtwonite X on anything other than Mewtwo
— Medichamite on Mawile (and possibly just Medichamite on anything other than Medicham to prevent excessive complex bans)
Current suspects for unbanning are:
— Medichamite and Mawilite on any Pokémon species that gets Hustle naturally. (Main problem Pokémon appears to be Durant, which hits 149 Attack with Pure Power if given Medichamite. Others are all NFEs plus Delibird and Togekiss, which all have low enough Attack and/or low enough other stats that they appear to be fine.)
At this point, the above is probably not gonna happen. Many things are just too scary with it, even if they end up with next to no bulk. The ability to one-shot Groudon without boosts is not to be taken lightly.
The Mega Stones and Orbs and their effects:
Some interesting threats/concepts:
Ban reasoning:
Suspect reasoning:
New Threatlist
Not playable anywhere yet.
To get some discussion going, what do people think of the possibility of allowing Medichamite and Mawilite on Hustle mons?
Edit: Likely not happening. Togekiss doesn't seem too scary, but Pure Power Darumaka with 130 base Attack is quite terrifying if it lives long enough to get a Flame Charge up.
Edit2: Red and Blue Orbs are now usable! Keep in mind that Primal Reversion completely ignores your base ability!
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