Mono Choice Item Team

Kira

Bumped due to revisions. If I read the rules correctly this is allowed. All changes will be in this color.

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Shaymin-s @ Choice Specs
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Earth Power
- Seed Flare
- Hidden Power [Ice]


Skymin was added thanks to its potential as a sweeper. Seed Flare backed by STAB, Serene Grace, and Choice specs is a lot more than most Pokemon can take. Curse Lax is even 2hko'ed by seed flare making it one of my few ways to deal with the thing.
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Dugtrio (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Arena Trap
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
- Rock Slide
- Sucker Punch

Choice Scarf was added due to the rising number of Scarf Heatrans. With Heatran out of the way, Skymin has an easier time sweeping. The loss of power is a bit sad but taking out Heatran is my top priority.
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Vaporeon (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Def/4 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Surf

Vaporeon becomes a surprisingly powerful special attacker with choice specs equipped. Being one of my bulkier Pokemon he is my best switch in to numerous attackers and sadly ends up being one of my first sacrifices. STAB Surf is a powerful attack and can KO numerous switch ins that my unsuspecting opponent by bring out.
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Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 20 HP/236 Spd/252 SAtk
Naive nature (+Speed -SpDef)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Earth Power
- Explosion
- Overheat

Added Naive to ensure I outspeed non scarfed Skymin. Overheat is almost needed to make up for the power lost when I used Modest. Hidden Power Ice was also added to take down dragons a lot easier, and because Dragon Pulse was doing crap to everything except dragons.
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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt
- Trick

My best revenge killer thanks to his wide coverage. Trick allows me to deal with walls and stat boosters by making them unable to do their job effectively. Gengar is my answer to Dragon Dance Pokemon including Salamence/Gyarados. Gengar also makes a fine revenge killer and even draws out Heatran/Scizor for me.
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Snorlax (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Pursuit
- Earthquake
- Return
- Brick Break

Snorlax wins the award of being my most consistent member. He always nets a KO, and always manages to pull his own weight. The only odd thing on this set is brick break which was added to prevent Dual Screen from potentially fucking my team up. Dual Screen is certainly not as common though Brick Break still finds some use every now and then.
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I would possibly include U-Turn on Azelf to hit switch-ins harder, especially if you KNOW the opponent is going to switch.

Otherwise, the team looks very promising. ;-P
 
I at one point used U-turn but it proved to be not as useful as I thought. Thanks for the rate.

edit: I also decided to try out Jolly specs Skymin as a lead. It works pretty well so far so I may alternate between Azelf and Skymin.
 
Ya max out on Heatan's Speed and give it timid (lets it outspeed Shaymin-s). Other than that I don't really see anything, not too sure how well it'll go so good luck!

-Matt
 
Matt_Lane said:
Ya max out on Heatan's Speed and give it timid (lets it outspeed Shaymin-s). Other than that I don't really see anything, not too sure how well it'll go so good luck!

-Matt
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The problem is that with Timid I lose a lot of power that I already am throwing away by not using Choice Specs. I may max speed anyway to at least win a few speed ties against other Scarfrans that follow the analysis spread.
 
Over 24 hour bump.

Made a few changes. The biggest change in my mind was adding Skymin > Azelf as they both provide different strengths and weaknesses. Giving Duggy scarf was also pretty big since he now loses a lot of potential power.
 
I'd consider the elemental punches and selfdestruct on Snorlax..with CB he'd be able to destroy almost anything with Sefldestruct...it's a stab, added with max attack and choice band! That would be something to fear!
 
D-man said:
I'd consider the elemental punches and selfdestruct on Snorlax..with CB he'd be able to destroy almost anything with Sefldestruct...it's a stab, added with max attack and choice band! That would be something to fear!
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I contemplated that for a time however this set works a lot better. Return provides a great neutral stab. Meanwhile Earthquake nails the rocks/steels that Return doesn't while Brick Break is needed for security against Dual Screen. Selfdestruct just isn't needed as Snorlax is too valuable to just blow up. I could go with an elemental punch over Pursuit, but I like the ability to psuedo trap Gengar who can cause my team problems.
 
I've played lots and lots with choice teams and I feel like I have some knowledge of them. the way I play, I focus on dealing huge damage and opening up one of my scarfers for a lategame sweep. for that reason, I suggest fire blast > overheat on heatran, facilitating that goal, epsecially when vaporeon and dugtrio are dealing with most resists and immunities to fire blast.

one of my qualms about this team is that it has very few ways to beat blissey, who though she has dropped in usage, should still be dealt with. for this reason, I would really like cb on dugtrio, maybe even adamant, so that he can insure the 2HKO against blissey. because really vaporeon and snorlax make pretty good witches into tran, and he has to take damage every time he switches in, which is rather hard. and when you're running cb dugtrio, you may as well give vaporeon baton pass > shadow ball, which can trapkill (through duggy) many things that try and switch in, namely bliss and whatnot, which is sure to annoy people, as well as giving frail things like skymin and gengar free switches in, which they always appreciate. and besides, the only things that shadow ball hits harder than surf (and not even by that much) are like, gengar and dusknoir, who are either 2HKO'd or OHKO'd by both. if you're worried about cress, you need hydro pump, which if you use it over surf, does more damage than an SE shadow ball anyways. and you do have snorlax for pursuiting, so I really don't see the use of shadow ball. but baton pass helps choice teams greatly, especially with duggy.

other than that, not too many noticeable qualms.
 
What the hell do you sacrifice in order to get Dugtrio in for free? Just about everything on your team either forces Heatran out or gets KOed by it. Obviously you won't be sacrificing Dugtrio or Shaymin-S, since the goal is to get rid of Heatran for a sweep. That leaves your own Heatran, Gengar, Snorlax, and Vaporeon. A Choiced Heatran using a fire move IS going to switch out of Snorlax, Vaporeon, and Heatran, due to Flash Fire/resistances to his STAB. Gengar is the only way to do so, and even then they may switch out in fear of a Choice Scarf Hypnosis or Focus Blast. Trick isn't going to do shit, as it will only give him another Choice Scarf. Really, Shaymin-S and Dugtrio is a "cute" idea, but you need to think it through before you make a team with little to no sacrifice pokemon.
 
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Yes I realize that Blissey shits on this team. That is the beauty of Trick Gengar. If anything, Trick is for the sole purpose of ruining Blissey. Heatran can also explode on it if needed. If Blissey ever rises in usage I will add a physical attacker on my team.

Blasphemy: Sorry but that came off as unnecessarily rude. I can think things through. I did put thought into the team and guess what... I have the amazing ability to predict. I am pretty good with switching Duggy in on Heatran because I can make my opponent think that switching in Heatran is their best move.

Meanwhile it's not like I have to eliminate Heatran right away. Every time I switch in Snorlax/Vaporeon I have a chance to do major damage to a switch in thanks to strong STAB attacks. In fact allowing Heatran to live through most of the match can sometimes work in my favor.

Oh and I do have sacrifice Pokemon. It is called scouting. If I notice that X Pokemon cannot harm A,B,C, and D on my opponents team then Pokemon X becomes a candidate for sacrifice. Pokemon X will usually be a sacrifice for Heatran allowing me to switch in Dugtrio.

Also if you thought it was such a terrible idea then why did you not suggest a better one. Or a solution to the problems you had seen in it?
 
maybe I need to get straight to the point or make more paragraphs. it's not just blissey that you kill by going cb and baton pass. you lose the heatran and double dd mence/gyara (who fall to scarfgar) for the ability to trap-kill things you normally wouldn't. and then baton pass allows you to save your sacrifices for when you want to use them, effectively killing more pokemon, and thus increasing your winning efficiency (or whatever you'd like to call it). also, scarfed blissey still can wall the hell out of you, which is frustrating as hell.

as far as taking out heatran, pretty much your whole team hits it se, and though you have to predict duggy in, you basically have to now as well. so its not like you're any better now. that and you have a snorlax and vaporeon on the same team, sponging basically everything heatran throws at them, and threatening to do big damage.

I really don't see why you care so much about tran =/

also your avatar reminds me of gorm
 
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Well I have had good players switch their Heatrans out. Trapping ensures I force him out of the game.

Also why did you mention baton pass? I did not know that Dugtrio could dry baton pass.

I see your point in using CB rather than scarf. I guess it wouldn't hurt to try Jolly CB again. Also a scarfed Blissey cannot wall my team as well because then Duggy can trap and kill. Especially if I catch her on a t-wave.

I will probably try Jolly CB Duggy tonight. If I start racking up more losses I will switch back to scarf dugtrio.

Oh and this is a variation of Gorm's avatar. That is probably why it reminds of of his.
 
lol I meant bp on vappy to help you get duggy in on the switch without sacrificing anyone. of course you coul accomplish this by switching but bp requires less prediction, and you can get anyone you choose in should duggy be not appropriate. and when you're getting duggy in for free more often, cb helps take advantage of his extra free time.

also, does it matter if heatran switches out? evertyime it switches in it takes big damage. hell, to kill it you only need to predict once or twice. is this worth losing that much power on duggy?
 
Ah I see what you mean. Well Shadow Ball has been useless on Vappy so I can see Baton Pass helping. I see what you mean with dugtrio. I have added CB and I am going to test it out.
 
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