Sae
In the midst of Orre
I feel compelled to write something since we're now discussing Swift Swim and I'm a Water type user. Although I've only played the tier for little over a month I think I can speak with enough experience from my laddering.
I personally believe Water type trainers should rely on other mons instead of relying on Swift Swim as a crutch. I mean Swift Swim isn't that original when teambuilding. However, it has such an influence on the metagame that outright banning it would not be ideal. As ArticunoI/DoW said, there are teams that do well and can still beat it. His goal was to make a team that could solidly beat Swift Swim, but it was still successful. Swift Swim is one of those things teams have to anticipate. I myself hate using it in Monotype because I believe in "SS< non-Drizzle monowater" (which is a trend I hope people take up). Although I do love stealing other people's Drizzle for my own mons to setup with (namely Manaphy) it frustrates me to have to lose thanks to Ludicolo.
Swift Swim makes people think Monowater only relies on it instead of others. I myself have taught a couple of people how to run a good Monowater team without running a HO Swift Swim team: needs an Electric immunity, tank, at least 2 sweepers, hazard support, and then filler. This format for Monowater allows a more diverse play style instead of just relying on sending out Politoed, switching, and then SS sweep.
Anyway to fix the problems with SS I personally think Aldaron's proposal works: no SS+Drizzle. No Drizzle means they have to wait another turn to setup which can be costly. I agree that stalling out SS is hard, especially for mons neutral to water (Fire, Ground, and Rock normally carry weather so trolling their Rain isn't too hard; although they would still lose due to type disadvantage). A nerf of just no Damp Rock would not be enough since it is so easy for SS to conserve Politoed and setup rain for free later. Damp rock nerf would only mean that Politoed gets sent in earlier delaying the inevitable sweep at the end of the battle. Although the only ban I personally would want is a ban on Ludicolo, but that's just me being biased against it.
I personally believe Water type trainers should rely on other mons instead of relying on Swift Swim as a crutch. I mean Swift Swim isn't that original when teambuilding. However, it has such an influence on the metagame that outright banning it would not be ideal. As ArticunoI/DoW said, there are teams that do well and can still beat it. His goal was to make a team that could solidly beat Swift Swim, but it was still successful. Swift Swim is one of those things teams have to anticipate. I myself hate using it in Monotype because I believe in "SS< non-Drizzle monowater" (which is a trend I hope people take up). Although I do love stealing other people's Drizzle for my own mons to setup with (namely Manaphy) it frustrates me to have to lose thanks to Ludicolo.
Swift Swim makes people think Monowater only relies on it instead of others. I myself have taught a couple of people how to run a good Monowater team without running a HO Swift Swim team: needs an Electric immunity, tank, at least 2 sweepers, hazard support, and then filler. This format for Monowater allows a more diverse play style instead of just relying on sending out Politoed, switching, and then SS sweep.
Anyway to fix the problems with SS I personally think Aldaron's proposal works: no SS+Drizzle. No Drizzle means they have to wait another turn to setup which can be costly. I agree that stalling out SS is hard, especially for mons neutral to water (Fire, Ground, and Rock normally carry weather so trolling their Rain isn't too hard; although they would still lose due to type disadvantage). A nerf of just no Damp Rock would not be enough since it is so easy for SS to conserve Politoed and setup rain for free later. Damp rock nerf would only mean that Politoed gets sent in earlier delaying the inevitable sweep at the end of the battle. Although the only ban I personally would want is a ban on Ludicolo, but that's just me being biased against it.
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