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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

Sorry if this question has been asked, i looked but i didn't found anything.

I'm new in the RNG world so i don't know how it exactly works, i'm gonna start to read articles and more if the answer of the next question is "Yes":

My answer is if you can use the RNG abuse in original pokemon games. I have only seen software to discover your SID and that kind of things, but nothing about original games (i mean, games that i have bought in a shop)

Sorry about my english, i'm spanish.

Thanks in advance and if the question has been asked please don't delete the post, at least notice that to me.
You can RNG without any external devices(such as a cheat cartridge)
You can RNG on any game bought from a shop so the answers yes.
 
Sorry if this question has been asked, i looked but i didn't found anything.

I'm new in the RNG world so i don't know how it exactly works, i'm gonna start to read articles and more if the answer of the next question is "Yes":

My answer is if you can use the RNG abuse in original pokemon games. I have only seen software to discover your SID and that kind of things, but nothing about original games (i mean, games that i have bought in a shop)

Sorry about my english, i'm spanish.

Thanks in advance and if the question has been asked please don't delete the post, at least notice that to me.

RNG is how the game works, and you can manioulate the date, and time to enter the game, so you can gte any pokemon you want.
Of course you can, if not, how would people have them, and trade them?
 
Thank you guys i thought i had to breed all my pokes for the rest of my life. I hate when your poke doesn't have the nature you want :S

I have started to read the articles that mingot has posted on the first page. One question more, the method that is described in the articles is only for USA games or it can be used with foreign games?

I can't wait to breed my first RNG poke ^^
 
I have a question..I am currently RNGing for Ivs, and is it correct that I should stand at the Daycare man until it hits the correct time for my seed, and then SR and collect the egg quickly?
 
All games ;). There are italian player and german players I know who RNG using this method. It takes 1-5+ hours to understand it though, and you must have patience.

I think it took me about an hour to understand shiniess, another 2 for Ivs, then about 1 for capturing ect =D. Oh and about 5 hours for radar abuse, but don't worry about that for now >.<
 
no one can help me??
may be RNG reporter has got something like a bug or what? or may be the problem is that if i beated the raikou released at the beginning of the game and it wasn't shiny, if i kill it and generate it again beating the Elite four it won't be shiny? yeah, the PID i'm aiming it's shiny because of ID and SID manipulation at the beginning of the game...

You forgot the following:
- 128 steps advance the RNG by a number of seeds equal to the number of Pokémon in your party. The step counter is stored when you save your game.

I'm guessing you had 3 pokes in your party, which means you don't get 1 extra frame, you get 3.
 
You forgot the following:
- 128 steps advance the RNG by a number of seeds equal to the number of Pokémon in your party. The step counter is stored when you save your game.

I'm guessing you had 3 pokes in your party, which means you don't get 1 extra frame, you get 3.

Do you mean that when you turn o your game, the 128 steps might already have started to count?
 
1. Ensure that the ID & SID combo will generate the desired pokemon.
2. Ensure that you have correctly hit your delay at the correct time.
3. How many pokemon do you have on your team? I RNG'd Entei by beating Lance with just one pokemon in my party. In Lance's room the only ways to advance the frame are talking to your pokemon and running 128 steps. For every 128 steps your frame will advance by the number of pokemon in your party.
1. even if my combo ID/SID is incorrect i'd have caught a flawless hp grass raikou no-shiny, but flawless anyway, and it's not.
2. yeah the seed is correct, because i only miss the frame, so i hit very near frames (21906---21909)
3. I only have feraligatr in my team because i know the 128 steps factor..

You forgot the following:
- 128 steps advance the RNG by a number of seeds equal to the number of Pokémon in your party. The step counter is stored when you save your game.

I'm guessing you had 3 pokes in your party, which means you don't get 1 extra frame, you get 3.

ehi man, you're guessing wrong. I only have feraligatr...

probably when i respawn the raikou the starting frame isn't always 5, so when i am on 21901 before beating lance, raikou will be on 21906, but if i walk 128 steps the frame jump by 1, so it should be 21902, but raikou isn't on 21907 (+5 like before), but 21909 (a weird +7).... how can I do?
 
1. even if my combo ID/SID is incorrect i'd have caught a flawless hp grass raikou no-shiny, but flawless anyway, and it's not.
2. yeah the seed is correct, because i only miss the frame, so i hit very near frames (21906---21909)
3. I only have feraligatr in my team because i know the 128 steps factor..



ehi man, you're guessing wrong. I only have feraligatr...

probably when i respawn the raikou the starting frame isn't always 5, so when i am on 21901 before beating lance, raikou will be on 21906, but if i walk 128 steps the frame jump by 1, so it should be 21902, but raikou isn't on 21907 (+5 like before), but 21909 (a weird +7).... how can I do?

Raikou's starting frame is 1. Entei's is 6. That is if both are released. If you catch Raikou when you beat Lance and then faint Entei, when you beat Lance again Entei will be 1. Suicune is unaffected as it is a method K mokemon that is caught in an interactable event.
 
The reset time is the time that the seed says? For example, it said, 22:06:30...So I should reset at that exact time?

Erm no?

You put in your seconds - 14.
Then you find a spread.

You'll probably be given a time like 22:06:14 with a delay of say 602.
You SR at 22:06:00 so in 14 seconds you'll hit 22:06:14.

Then go in the game to do flips + collect egg.
 
Raikou's starting frame is 1. Entei's is 6. That is if both are released. If you catch Raikou when you beat Lance and then faint Entei, when you beat Lance again Entei will be 1. Suicune is unaffected as it is a method K mokemon that is caught in an interactable event.
Yeah the problem is different: whatever raikou's starting frame is, i'm in front of lance and i've save stated... i beat him and check raikou and the frame is 21906. so i reload the savestate and walk 128 before beating lance, and the i defeat him. i check my raikou but the frame has jumped to 21809 (instead of 21907, my target...).. what should I do?
 
Yeah the problem is different: whatever raikou's starting frame is, i'm in front of lance and i've save stated... i beat him and check raikou and the frame is 21906. so i reload the savestate and walk 128 before beating lance, and the i defeat him. i check my raikou but the frame has jumped to 21809 (instead of 21907, my target...).. what should I do?

How are you checking the frame, on DeSmuMe & Kazo's program or on the actual cartridge/CycloDS/etc?

PS If you are having problems you can always just beat Lance, kill Raikou and try again. Unless you know exactly what frame you are on then it is fruitless. If you are 100% sure that you are on frame 21906 when you walk up the steps to fight Lance, then I am unsure. When I did it, it was on DeSmuMe and I used Kazo's program. I would battle Lance on the exact frame that the spread I wanted was on. Have you factored in all roamers as well, the Lati@s may be messing up your frame. Also remeber that Raikou/Entei are method 1, if your spread is method K it will not be the same frame number.
 
How are you checking the frame, on DeSmuMe & Kazo's program or on the actual cartridge/CycloDS/etc?

PS If you are having problems you can always just beat Lance, kill Raikou and try again. Unless you know exactly what frame you are on then it is fruitless. If you are 100% sure that you are on frame 21906 when you walk up the steps to fight Lance, then I am unsure. When I did it, it was on DeSmuMe and I used Kazo's program. I would battle Lance on the exact frame that the spread I wanted was on. Have you factored in all roamers as well, the Lati@s may be messing up your frame. Also remeber that Raikou/Entei are method 1, if your spread is method K it will not be the same frame number.
i'm not in method K but 1, i know roamers are method 1; i'm using kazo's program +desmume; just before i tried to beat lance on frame 21900 and raikou was 21905; then i tried to beat him on 21901 and raikou was 21906; but always when i try on frame 21902, it jumps to 21909 instead of 21907... i haven't roamers like lati@s...
 
i'm not in method K but 1, i know roamers are method 1; i'm using kazo's program +desmume; just before i tried to beat lance on frame 21900 and raikou was 21905; then i tried to beat him on 21901 and raikou was 21906; but always when i try on frame 21902, it jumps to 21909 instead of 21907... i haven't roamers like lati@s...

I am not understanding. Raikou's monster frame is 1. So if you battle Lance on frame 21900 then Raikou should be 21900. Tell me, when you initiate conversation with Lance, is it frame 21900 that you do it on? Also tell me, even if Lati@s is not out, is Entei also being released simultaneously as Raikou or is he already out? When I initiated conversation, the frame I was on, WAS the frame that the spread I caught was on. What you should try is this:

Save the tile before where the event begins. Check what frame you are on. If your seed is correct and your frame is correct then step up one tile to initiate the event. The frame you are on when you talk to Lance IS the frame Raikou should be, so if you want frame 21907 you start the event on that frame. Make sure the frame does not advance because of steps between the time you walk from your starting position up to Lance. If you do this and you still get the wrong Raikou, then you should post on the HG/SS research thread. Perhaps they will be able to help you more.
 
Erm no?

You put in your seconds - 14.
Then you find a spread.

You'll probably be given a time like 22:06:14 with a delay of say 602.
You SR at 22:06:00 so in 14 seconds you'll hit 22:06:14.

Then go in the game to do flips + collect egg.
Well..I was told to put 30 in the seconds. But I see what you're saying ;)
 
I am not understanding. Raikou's monster frame is 1. So if you battle Lance on frame 21900 then Raikou should be 21900. Tell me, when you initiate conversation with Lance, is it frame 21900 that you do it on? Also tell me, even if Lati@s is not out, is Entei also being released simultaneously as Raikou or is he already out? When I initiated conversation, the frame I was on, WAS the frame that the spread I caught was on. What you should try is this:

Save the tile before where the event begins. Check what frame you are on. If your seed is correct and your frame is correct then step up one tile to initiate the event. The frame you are on when you talk to Lance IS the frame Raikou should be, so if you want frame 21907 you start the event on that frame. Make sure the frame does not advance because of steps between the time you walk from your starting position up to Lance. If you do this and you still get the wrong Raikou, then you should post on the HG/SS research thread. Perhaps they will be able to help you more.
i defeated raikou and entei, because my purpose was to use the same save state to catch 2 beatiful shiny HP grass flawless raikoe & entei...
talking about my frame, when only one step separate me to lance, it's 21900. when i check raikou, it's 21905; so probably raikou starting frame is 5 and no 1 like the first time i release it; and also the starting frame is added later, if i'm not wrong... because with the save state in which i am on frame 21900, i tried to walk 128 steps, and the frame advanced by one, so it was 21901. when i beated lance and checked raikou, its frame was 21906, so it is a confirme that raikou's starting frame, after beating elite four,it's 5 and no 1 like the first time. the problem is: after 128 steps, when i try to beat lance at the moment the frame is 21902 (if i'm correct 21902+5=21907), i check my raikou and its frame is always missing by 2 because it is 21909 instead of desired 21907...
 
i defeated raikou and entei, because my purpose was to use the same save state to catch 2 beatiful shiny HP grass flawless raikoe & entei...
talking about my frame, when only one step separate me to lance, it's 21900. when i check raikou, it's 21905; so probably raikou starting frame is 5 and no 1 like the first time i release it; and also the starting frame is added later, if i'm not wrong... because with the save state in which i am on frame 21900, i tried to walk 128 steps, and the frame advanced by one, so it was 21901. when i beated lance and checked raikou, its frame was 21906, so it is a confirme that raikou's starting frame, after beating elite four,it's 5 and no 1 like the first time. the problem is: after 128 steps, when i try to beat lance at the moment the frame is 21902 (if i'm correct 21902+5=21907), i check my raikou and its frame is always missing by 2 because it is 21909 instead of desired 21907...

Look, Raikou's starting frame cannot be 5, because I successfully RNG'ed both Entei & Latias by catching them after defeating Lance, because they had been fainted the first time, and their starting frames were one. I truly am uncertain of why you cannot do it. My only suggestion is to attempt again by defeating the legendary dog, beating the Elite 4 and then saving in Lance's room and trying again. If all the variables are set then this should not be a problem. I do not understand why in your case you just happen to be jumping frames. I ask that you ask the others who have RNG'd roamers in HG/SS, since I have told you the exact method which gave me the Pokemon I RNG'd for and you claim it not to be working.

Tell me, you claim to have used the same save state twice to catch Alt. Colored Pokemon. Did it work for Entei? I suggest you use a save state for just a single pokemon, then capture it and then hit your seed and try again.
 
Look, Raikou's starting frame cannot be 5, because I successfully RNG'ed both Entei & Latias by catching them after defeating Lance, because they had been fainted the first time, and their starting frames were one. I truly am uncertain of why you cannot do it. My only suggestion is to attempt again by defeating the legendary dog, beating the Elite 4 and then saving in Lance's room and trying again. If all the variables are set then this should not be a problem. I do not understand why in your case you just happen to be jumping frames. I ask that you ask the others who have RNG'd roamers in HG/SS, since I have told you the exact method which gave me the Pokemon I RNG'd for and you claim it not to be working.

Tell me, you claim to have used the same save state twice to catch Alt. Colored Pokemon. Did it work for Entei? I suggest you use a save state for just a single pokemon, then capture it and then hit your seed and try again.
thank you very much anyway...^^

no, my real purpose was to have that beautiful raikou and then, with the savestates i used for raikou, i'd manipulate also entei...
 
I was wondering do seconds and delays change from day to day cause recently I was getting consistently 604 delay in 14 seconds when trying to catch a Heatran. The next day i was looking for my seed for when trying to breed and it ended up changing inconsistently from 594 - 602 delay in 16 seconds. For extra info if it helps I usually catch pokemon to test my seed in Stark Mountain (only place I can consistently get lvl 50 and up pokemon)

Also is there a way to lower the delay you get? I need to hit 594 delay consistently for the perfect IV's I want but Ive only ever hit it purposefully once.

Thanks in advance for the help.
 
Hey, so I was tired of doing it the long way by catching a lvl50+ poke, checking my seed and hoping for a low frame (otherwise repeating)..

so I want to try out searching for times.
I went with the new guide posted in the OP, the shiny egg finder by time.
So I tried to hit my target time and delay a few times, but that is nigh impossible.. I followed the guide's advice, chose my target seed and copied it, brought it to the "seed to time" window and checked for nearby seeds by utilizing my 10 coin flips. That worked, I found the seed that I was under.
So I was standing in the day care and for this seed (remember, I already did 10 coin flips to confirm it) I used the "calculate poketch taps" function.. it was easy, 87 doubletaps and 2 coin flips.
Egg was not shiny though, so I am wondering now.

If I do this, should I not think of the 10 coin flips that were used for confirming as included? Do I have to deduct 10 coin flips from what the window tells me if I use the seed that I am apparently on after failing to hit the perfect target time/delay?
 
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