Once you've verified you hit your seed, all you need to do is advance the frame of the game to the frame right before your target via phone calls or the radio. If you use Elm calls you can follow the responses all the way down the list of frames until you reach the one right before your target. Then you press A to encounter Suicune, and it should have the spread of the next frame in the list, your target.
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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information
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The location really does not matter for natures. I would suggest a synchronizer and an area without many (or any) trainers/npcs to advance your frame.
The only other NPCs were trainers and I defeated them all. I also believed my findings to be true because the was the only frame with a encouter slot of 6 within the area.
Nvm.
in kazo's video for rng he uses something called pokemon rng helper to find his seed where can i download that?
Yes, it is possible to RNG for Giratina in the Distortion world - there is a weird advancement that occurs in that area though. The guide has a much better explanation than what I'm able to conjure up so I'll just quote it:
"When attempting to capture Giratina in the Distortion World, there are some important differences in RNG advancement that should be taken into consideration. Each time the Distortion World map is loaded, the RNG will advance by 11 frames. This is the reason that Giratina appears on frame 12 when you immediately capture it at game start. This would not pose a problem, but most people will end up loading the map twice — once at game start, before verifying their initial seed with coin flips, and again after cancelling the journal to capture Giratina. In this scenario, the RNG would have been advanced 22 times, excluding advances made by journal flips. The simplest way to deal with this anomaly is to consider the starting frame of Giratina to be 23 in cases where you will enter the game world, bring up the journal manually, and then cancel the journal before capture."
dragonboy52: Alternatively, you can use Pichu's PokeRNG to find your desired seed for captures. It can be found on the first page.
"When attempting to capture Giratina in the Distortion World, there are some important differences in RNG advancement that should be taken into consideration. Each time the Distortion World map is loaded, the RNG will advance by 11 frames. This is the reason that Giratina appears on frame 12 when you immediately capture it at game start. This would not pose a problem, but most people will end up loading the map twice — once at game start, before verifying their initial seed with coin flips, and again after cancelling the journal to capture Giratina. In this scenario, the RNG would have been advanced 22 times, excluding advances made by journal flips. The simplest way to deal with this anomaly is to consider the starting frame of Giratina to be 23 in cases where you will enter the game world, bring up the journal manually, and then cancel the journal before capture."
dragonboy52: Alternatively, you can use Pichu's PokeRNG to find your desired seed for captures. It can be found on the first page.
for platinum what you should do is sync your ds with an external clock note you time date month and year note it down in id finder hit restart when the clock hits a new minute and mash a until you reach the red gyrados report and press a when the clock hits 2 minutes after you restarted the game do this 3 times and then note down your average delay and enter your pid and delay change the time accordingly and do the same.
Ill try it. Thanks.
zack, I do it just like normal. I set my clock to the appropriate time, go into the game and SR at the next minute, go through the new game stuff until I reach the Red Gyrados television special thing, and then press A to exit (when your ID is generated) once the final timer runs out. So let's say I have a delay of 5790. This translates to 96.5 seconds in real time My target time will be a time with 36 seconds, let's say 10:23:36. I set my game to 10:21 and start a 60 second timer, I go in game and then SR once that timer runs out, and when I do the next timer of 96.5 seconds begins, and I press A when on the TV screen when that time runs out. I of course do this using emloop, and I always have to do this at least once to calibrate (as the white screen loading portion of the game is not factored in the delay), and then can adjust accordingly.
Ok. Also, the red gyrados show isnt coming on. Instead its talking about the prefesor. Im playing platinum and dont ever remeber that happening whenever I would restart it. When im putting in the stuff to find the seed I hit, what should I put in for the minimum and maximum delay?
I'd say you should make your min delay probably 6000 or so, without a max. Just end the search whenever, unless you're looking for a specific ID which could take a very long time. The red gyrados show comes on after you go through the whole talking to professor thing, picking your name, etc. You end up with the gyrados show on your screen, and press A to exit and try to hit your seed.
Im not trying to hit a seed yet. Im calibrating. Also, I just did it again and the show was "Lets Ask Profesor Rowan" or something like that.
E:Im not getting any consistent results:
Delay/Second
5339/22
5360/42
5501/31
5684/13
5745/30
What am I doing wrong?
Well, from experience I know that depending on the delay range you enter into Pandora's box, the ID you get can be found multiple times. Don't calibrate like normal, but use a specific delay/ID and try to hit it. That way you will at least know what your seconds number should be, and you can try to pick out the delay you actually hit, and use that to calibrate. What timing method are you using (emloop/pikatimer)?
I was using dragonboy's method except without a clock. I put 60sec in one timer on emloop then 120sec in the other. How would I try to hit a delay without knowing my own delay and seconds?
Well, I'd use Pandora's box to choose an ID/SID combo I wanted. Plug that seed into RNG reporter to find the target delay/time. Let's say my delay is 5892. I plug that into emloop, and it gives me 98.2 seconds. I find a target time with 38 seconds. Let's say mine is 21:14:38. I synch my DS at 21:12, go into the game and SR when the first timer runs out. Go through the intro, name myself whatever, get to the TV screen and press A when the final timer runs out. I then check my ID, plug in the correct info into Pandora's box, using a delay range of something like my target +100 and -350 or so. It might give me a couple results, but the delay I actually hit is probably the one closest to 38 seconds. Then I use that delay I hit (should be less than what my target was), find the difference, and then add that number back onto my original target (5892). I put that new delay into emloop, which will probably change the seconds. I find a new target date/time in RNG Reporter using that new seconds number, and I am ready to go. Now every time you use emloop, you just add that number to every delay you use emloop and it should account for that original difference you found between your target and the actual delay you hit. Just check and make sure the next few attempts you do that the delay you hit is in the vicinity of your target 5892. Last time I did it this way I hit my target delay on the first try after my calibration phase.
I recently started RNGing on Soul Silver (got a shiny Rayquaza :) and I wanted to move on to eggs. But say the egg is on frame seven, and if the frame advances by the amount of party pokemon every 128 steps, how would I go about it if it takes too many steps?
(Sorry if this has already been asked)
(Sorry if this has already been asked)
Egg IVs or Egg Shininess, nature, ability?
For the former: You use Professor Elm to advance your frames.
For the latter: I hear you can use Joey, but the best method is just to find a very low frame spread. 1 would be ideal, as the first egg is your egg. If it's 2, then you'll have to reject the first egg and get the second. If frame is 3, then the first two eggs are rejected and the third is yours. Etc...
For the former: You use Professor Elm to advance your frames.
For the latter: I hear you can use Joey, but the best method is just to find a very low frame spread. 1 would be ideal, as the first egg is your egg. If it's 2, then you'll have to reject the first egg and get the second. If frame is 3, then the first two eggs are rejected and the third is yours. Etc...
I am playing Pearl and trying to RNG Palkia. I am very new to this.
1) I have tried the initial calibration phase, in which I repeat "seconds" and "delay" measurements. I am getting about 15 seconds and ~633 for the delay. The problem is that I don't think I have properly synced my dSi.
I sync the minutes of my dSi when the digital clock on my desktop reaches 0 seconds. For instance, suppose the digital clock reads 20:14:56 (h/min/s) and I prepare to set my dSi to 20:15 (h/min). When the digital clock reaches 20:15:00, I click to confirm my dS time. I assume that once I click, the dSi then starts counting seconds. But is the dS clock actually running in seconds during that 4 second interval?
The reason I ask is that every time I wait for a minute to elapse on the digital clock, I seem to be 1 second off on the dS. Was the counter running while I was only able to sync the minutes? Or was there some delay when I click to confirm my dS time? The dS does display to confirm the time change, but is there a delay?
Sorry for this amateurish question, but am I missing a better way to sync my dS? Also, I mention I have a dSi* in case there is some sort of difference I should know about the layout or hardware.
*Aware that dSi does not have any significant advantages over older models and is the reason I can't play advance games!
2)
I was trying to hatch a shiny egg for practice in advancing the RNG. The problem is that I am in Mt. Coronet and the highest level pokemon are about ~40, so the IVs are still somewhat ambiguous. If I feed rare candies to the captured wild pokes, will this affect any of my results? Also, because I need to leave Mt. Coronet for solaceon town, will the hail I encounter while leaving affect the frames? I ask, because after exiting a cave in Mt. Coronet, entering a screen with hail, and flying to solaceon, I could not confirm with the coin flip app. Actually, the strings of tails and heads were shifted by two (Ex: TT HTHTHHT became HTHTHHT...; the first two were gone).
I did scroll through the poke apps (pressed the red button) because I was waiting for an egg after I deposited the parents in the daycare. Was this the reason?
3)
For advancing the RNG with the journal, do I just access the journal from my key items and make sure that I have at least one entry in which I captured/fainted a pokemon? Will that entry be lost if I don't touch my game for a week or longer? (suppose I "rage quit" because of RNG frustration and rest for more than two days.)
I believe that once I defeat the Galactic Boss, I will be forced to battle Palkia (I can't leave, but I can save before initiating). Hence, I won't be able to test any calibration at this point.
Does anyone have general tips when he/she caught Palkia or Dialga in Pearl and Diamond, respectively?
4)
With the RNGReporter, I was able to find a 31/31/30/31/31/31 Hasty spread. I found five results, but the seeds are all the same and the frames differ slightly (~4). How is that possible?
Also, in choosing my year for the TimeFinder, I read somewhere there is a benefit in using unrealistic numbers. (I can't remember the location of that post.) Currently, I am set at 2010, and my overly ambitious spread requires a frame of ~2700 (kinda high). I am preparing to lower my standards
5)
If I purchase an emerald version and dSPhat, will the RNG mechanics be similar to that with a GBA?
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Thank you for reading my questions, and I am very eager to master RNGing!
1) I have tried the initial calibration phase, in which I repeat "seconds" and "delay" measurements. I am getting about 15 seconds and ~633 for the delay. The problem is that I don't think I have properly synced my dSi.
I sync the minutes of my dSi when the digital clock on my desktop reaches 0 seconds. For instance, suppose the digital clock reads 20:14:56 (h/min/s) and I prepare to set my dSi to 20:15 (h/min). When the digital clock reaches 20:15:00, I click to confirm my dS time. I assume that once I click, the dSi then starts counting seconds. But is the dS clock actually running in seconds during that 4 second interval?
The reason I ask is that every time I wait for a minute to elapse on the digital clock, I seem to be 1 second off on the dS. Was the counter running while I was only able to sync the minutes? Or was there some delay when I click to confirm my dS time? The dS does display to confirm the time change, but is there a delay?
Sorry for this amateurish question, but am I missing a better way to sync my dS? Also, I mention I have a dSi* in case there is some sort of difference I should know about the layout or hardware.
*Aware that dSi does not have any significant advantages over older models and is the reason I can't play advance games!
2)
I was trying to hatch a shiny egg for practice in advancing the RNG. The problem is that I am in Mt. Coronet and the highest level pokemon are about ~40, so the IVs are still somewhat ambiguous. If I feed rare candies to the captured wild pokes, will this affect any of my results? Also, because I need to leave Mt. Coronet for solaceon town, will the hail I encounter while leaving affect the frames? I ask, because after exiting a cave in Mt. Coronet, entering a screen with hail, and flying to solaceon, I could not confirm with the coin flip app. Actually, the strings of tails and heads were shifted by two (Ex: TT HTHTHHT became HTHTHHT...; the first two were gone).
I did scroll through the poke apps (pressed the red button) because I was waiting for an egg after I deposited the parents in the daycare. Was this the reason?
3)
For advancing the RNG with the journal, do I just access the journal from my key items and make sure that I have at least one entry in which I captured/fainted a pokemon? Will that entry be lost if I don't touch my game for a week or longer? (suppose I "rage quit" because of RNG frustration and rest for more than two days.)
I believe that once I defeat the Galactic Boss, I will be forced to battle Palkia (I can't leave, but I can save before initiating). Hence, I won't be able to test any calibration at this point.
Does anyone have general tips when he/she caught Palkia or Dialga in Pearl and Diamond, respectively?
4)
With the RNGReporter, I was able to find a 31/31/30/31/31/31 Hasty spread. I found five results, but the seeds are all the same and the frames differ slightly (~4). How is that possible?
Also, in choosing my year for the TimeFinder, I read somewhere there is a benefit in using unrealistic numbers. (I can't remember the location of that post.) Currently, I am set at 2010, and my overly ambitious spread requires a frame of ~2700 (kinda high). I am preparing to lower my standards
5)
If I purchase an emerald version and dSPhat, will the RNG mechanics be similar to that with a GBA?
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Thank you for reading my questions, and I am very eager to master RNGing!
DDWest: No, egg shininess/nature/ability are on a different frame system then IV RNG. It's why you can verify your delay with elm calls for the shiny egg without it advancing your frame too.
kwyjibo:
1) That's the way to calibrate. There is no 4seconds interval. You hit "a" on your DS the moment your clock strikes 12 (60secs). The moment you set the time is the moment the second hands starts to tick. Not sure what you mean by you think you're a second off or whatnot. After you set the time, set your AR (if you're using one) and enter the game, catch a monster, check its IVs, enter them into Seed Finder.
2) I do believe weather makes it so that you can't verify your frames with the coin flip app. The best thing to do is to use an AR if you have one. If not, the island on the top of the map is the best place to go to get higher level pokemon. What you're doing should work though. Scrolling through the pokegear one by one is not advisable. What you do is memorize the number of the app and go straight to it. Not sure how this applies to catching a pokemon though :P
3) Yes, just access the journal from the key menu. Alternatively, if it's on a low enough frame, just flip for it after the continue screen.
4) Seeds contains multiple frames 1 to aloooot, lol. So it's possible. Setting the DS to different years affect your delay. You can raise it by one or decrease it by one depending on whether or not you increase/decrease the year.
2700 for a frame is insanely high for a non shiny capture. Use Wichu's PokeRNG program in the front page to help you find a better frame. With Capturing, it's best to use pikatimer since very few times will you have the ability to pick your delay. Remember that higher delay usually means lower frames. Vice versa applies
5) Sorry, can't answer this. Emerald RNG is usually done on an emulator though. I don't believe anyone uses a cart for it (though I might be wrong here).
kwyjibo:
1) That's the way to calibrate. There is no 4seconds interval. You hit "a" on your DS the moment your clock strikes 12 (60secs). The moment you set the time is the moment the second hands starts to tick. Not sure what you mean by you think you're a second off or whatnot. After you set the time, set your AR (if you're using one) and enter the game, catch a monster, check its IVs, enter them into Seed Finder.
2) I do believe weather makes it so that you can't verify your frames with the coin flip app. The best thing to do is to use an AR if you have one. If not, the island on the top of the map is the best place to go to get higher level pokemon. What you're doing should work though. Scrolling through the pokegear one by one is not advisable. What you do is memorize the number of the app and go straight to it. Not sure how this applies to catching a pokemon though :P
3) Yes, just access the journal from the key menu. Alternatively, if it's on a low enough frame, just flip for it after the continue screen.
4) Seeds contains multiple frames 1 to aloooot, lol. So it's possible. Setting the DS to different years affect your delay. You can raise it by one or decrease it by one depending on whether or not you increase/decrease the year.
2700 for a frame is insanely high for a non shiny capture. Use Wichu's PokeRNG program in the front page to help you find a better frame. With Capturing, it's best to use pikatimer since very few times will you have the ability to pick your delay. Remember that higher delay usually means lower frames. Vice versa applies
5) Sorry, can't answer this. Emerald RNG is usually done on an emulator though. I don't believe anyone uses a cart for it (though I might be wrong here).
I'm trying to RNG on an Emerald cart; it's not going well. :\
I've already tried Platinum; it turns out I'm terrible at hitting consistent delays. So far I've managed to catch one good Ditto (with a range of like 50 frames, sliding forward via synchronize- and this took several tries) and now breeding it is causing nothing but trouble.
I miss perfect breeding in GSC. :\ 1 in 512 odds seems like some kind of ridiculous numbers porn fantasy now.
Is it easier (and by 'easier' I mean 'more idiot-proof') to RNG breed in Emerald, DP, Platinum, or HGSS? The less reliant on timing, the better.
~Uiru
I've already tried Platinum; it turns out I'm terrible at hitting consistent delays. So far I've managed to catch one good Ditto (with a range of like 50 frames, sliding forward via synchronize- and this took several tries) and now breeding it is causing nothing but trouble.
I miss perfect breeding in GSC. :\ 1 in 512 odds seems like some kind of ridiculous numbers porn fantasy now.
Is it easier (and by 'easier' I mean 'more idiot-proof') to RNG breed in Emerald, DP, Platinum, or HGSS? The less reliant on timing, the better.
~Uiru
I have Platinum and I want to RNG a flawless Ditto for breeding, but I checked the encounter slots lists, and Ditto's encounter slot in Trophy Garden is not mentioned (nor is any of the pokemon that only appear when you talk to the guy).
What is Ditto's encounter slot in the Trophy garden, assuming the guy made it appear today?
What is Ditto's encounter slot in the Trophy garden, assuming the guy made it appear today?