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Sports NBA Thread: 2023-2024 Season

ngl ive read the convo above, and i have to go soon but i will say

luka is getting undermined for what he is doing just look at team record when he doesnt play, does luka deserve mvp? yeah if his team was doing better. i think itll go to jokic tbh


luka is playing much better defense and his numbers all around are better, he is a top 3 player in the league but tbh unless luka makes a crazy run and get to the 5th seed i dont think he will win it because as derrick said westbrooks mvp year his entire team was ass, he was the reason they made any sort of run. if jason kidd didnt exist i think luka prob wins mvp since the coaching is so bad
 
Maybe I watch very different games as I often find him making multiple mental lapses on defense and whines to the refs. I will admit he's improved compared to recent years but it'll always be his best area for improvement if there was one.

Luka has improved overall so much that this is clearly his best season with the Mavs, so he is undermined in the sense that it has to be frustrating to see that and not see how he gets MVP. Triple doubles just have less value in a league with more possessions, pace and spacing compared to the one Westbrook won 7 years ago where averaging a triple double was unheard of.

It's just discouraging to see the Mavs be this bad defensively late in the season again when the explanation last year was not having enough defenders. Then they traded again and suddenly the floor fell in the house defensively.

To me, the team has a proportional amount of importance in helping a player get MVP. That's where the narrative reasons are really at play. The player's greatness has more value, but that player still needs the team to be good enough to have that individual greatness translate to wins on the chart if that makes sense. All teams have an overall better record with their player, but the MVP is still attached to essentially telling the story of the season. The story of the season will never be, Luka had his best season, but Mavs hardly got better and in fact slumped as a team throughout the season.

Tl;Dr again, the value from my perspective comes in through the player's stats and the amount of wins for the team, because I consider both together more valuable than just having way more of one. You can be MVP for that team, but MVP of a league to me requires wins.
 
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Watched the Knicks yesterday, I genuinely think even without Randle they can make noise in the playoff. Bojan just needs to find his stride and I think the team is pretty set, even if you get like a 70-80% randle back.
 
Since I'm kind of an NBA noob, take this hot take with lots of purifying salt, but I'm not sure I get the point or hype around the whole MVP thing.

To me, it seems to just show which teams put the most eggs in one basket.

Personally I rather be a fan of a team that has a culture of keeping a 'skill' / 'plus-minus' / whatever average pretty high among all its starters, instead of a team that like lives and dies by one player.

There's probably something big that I'm totally missing, though.
 
singaporygon said:
Since I'm kind of an NBA noob, take this hot take with lots of purifying salt, but I'm not sure I get the point or hype around the whole MVP thing.

To me, it seems to just show which teams put the most eggs in one basket.

Personally I rather be a fan of a team that has a culture of keeping a 'skill' / 'plus-minus' / whatever average pretty high among all its starters, instead of a team that like lives and dies by one player.

There's probably something big that I'm totally missing, though.
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MVP is strictly for individual legacy for a player and usually gets brought up when comparing some of the greatest of all time. That's genuinely it though.
 
That's why players like Steve Nash get brought up a lot on list of best point guards of all time (since he won 2)

Derrick Rose is the biggest what if story if all time if he didn't get injured and is constantly being brought up as the most athletic guard of all time. (he is the youngest MVP ever)
 
awyp said:
it hurt watching that mavs vs thunder game cus I know if luka was playing mavs would've won...that team is only like 2 real hitters luka and kyrie no one ever really goes for a big number expect like tim hardaway ive yet to see washington act as the 3rd best player on the team...
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PJ HAD 6 FUCKING POINTS
 
The West play-in is looking siiiiiick. If the Mavs choke again, I am time traveling back to this topic 15 years ago when "lol mavs" was a meme.

If the Suns choke, that'll be hilarious too because of the amount of money spent on their big three. It should put an end to that era.

If the Lakers choke, well, they missed out on a huge opportunity to have an easy first round matchup with OKC.

Warriors and Kings, I honestly don't think I'd look at them any different than i already did beginning of the season.
 
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DerrickRose said:
The West play-in is looking siiiiiick. If the Mavs choke again, I am time traveling back to this topic 15 years ago when "lol mavs" was a meme.

If the Suns choke, that'll be hilarious too because of the amount of money spent on their big three. It should put an end to that era.

If the Lakers choke, well, they missed out on a huge opportunity to have an easy first round matchup with OKC.

Warriors and Kings, I honestly don't think I'd look at them any different than i already did beginning of the season.
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i think best case scenario mavs get through the first round matching up with either okc, wolves, or clippers

suns will choke tbh its a matter of time they havent had a performance all szn where im like yeah thats whos next

lakers will choke fs they're just a worse version of last year imho

i want warriors to go deep but tbh i dont think they will

kings might make a sneaky run tbh they look super good
 
Also Hauser went crazy yesterday from deep, and probably would have set a newsworthy record for the Celtics.
(if it wasn't for the injury and NBA barely giving room on the sidelines)

[ But of course if you say any praise about this franchise that's more team-centric than superstar-centric, you're automatically uncool ;-) /s ]
 
PenQuin said:
ST Pattys day games were dope as hell. Kyrie and Bam buzzer beaters. That Denver v Dallas game felt like a playoff game. Can’t wait for these playoffs
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As a Mavs fan it was a great game, it's just I hope there could be a consistent 3rd scorer on Dallas or we're getting kicked from the first round, it's always just Luka and Kyrie putting up big numbers and maybe 1 other person with like 10 points and everyone in single digits.


singaporygon said:
Also Hauser went crazy yesterday from deep, and probably would have set a newsworthy record for the Celtics.
(if it wasn't for the injury and NBA barely giving room on the sidelines)

[ But of course if you say any praise about this franchise that's more team-centric than superstar-centric, you're automatically uncool ;-) /s ]
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I thought he was going for the record if he didn't get injured early in the 3rd...sad
 
awyp said:
As a Mavs fan it was a great game, it's just I hope there could be a consistent 3rd scorer on Dallas or we're getting kicked from the first round, it's always just Luka and Kyrie putting up big numbers and maybe 1 other person with like 10 points and everyone in single digits.
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Let Gafford get more minutes and you guys will be good. Idk the point of keeping maxi on the floor. Also they should trade Hardaway Jr. he’s a good player, but super streaky. Need someone who can take over when necessary.
 
agree Maxi is dead weight and THJ is bad on defense and streaky af but we need the scoring from Timmy some games to win but Kleber is so bad offensively sometimes
 
DerrickRose said:
If Luka can get the mavs to a top seed, I'd consider him an MVP candidate. They looked dead in the water in February.
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I agree with this fully. If Mavs can get a 4-5 seed I think Luka should get more love for MVP 9-1 the last 10 and the only loss is because Luka didnt play.
 
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