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New OU List
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You misunderstood me. I meant that Smeargle, Empoleon and Rhyperior were dodgy in the sense that I didn't think they were OverUsed.
This list is ridiclous. Whatever the hell algorithm you used, it clearly accounts for the wrong things.
Hippowdon being gone is just outrageously wrong. Just because it goes down by 10,000 points does not mean it is no longer OU. Sure as hell I see more Hippowdon than Staraptor out there.
Rhyperior? Which moron put that there? I thought we finally concluded that thing was as blown up as Staraptor in November etc. Rhyperior increasing in usage? You sure put a lot of work into this!
Speaking of Staraptor...what?
This is really wrong.
Hippowdon being gone is just outrageously wrong. Just because it goes down by 10,000 points does not mean it is no longer OU. Sure as hell I see more Hippowdon than Staraptor out there.
Rhyperior? Which moron put that there? I thought we finally concluded that thing was as blown up as Staraptor in November etc. Rhyperior increasing in usage? You sure put a lot of work into this!
Speaking of Staraptor...what?
This is really wrong.
Breloom? Not on the list? xDIf I played a UU/BL game, I'm sure I wouldn't want to face one.This list sucks.
uh, you have a lot or nerve talking to X-act that way. Hippowdons usage is down so it is no longer OU. it's that simple. I can't believe you're actually trying to argue again cold hard statistics lol
This list is a bit weird. Would someone be able to work out what the tier list would've been using the old method?
Yeah, nobody we gave access to is making much of a difference there. All you're trying to go is get stuff done and he calls you out...whatever. I'm convinced that the prediction formula is the best way to arrive at the OU list, because everything else uses inherently flawed statistics
I am very edgey about this, being April 1st and all.
Hippo and Rypher off OU is just wrong, just because the usage is down doesn't justify him being BL now. imo, This whole statistic wrong is a wrong way to view stuff.
which brings me to the next issue, which is wobbuffet. The usage is low because Smogon is indecisive about his status, yet Shoddy decided to put him straight in OU. People would think what is the point to practice with the blue dick if Smogon's stance is unclear as of this point.
I could careless about anything else, but I do not like to see that dick weed ANYWHERE in OU.
Hippo and Rypher off OU is just wrong, just because the usage is down doesn't justify him being BL now. imo, This whole statistic wrong is a wrong way to view stuff.
which brings me to the next issue, which is wobbuffet. The usage is low because Smogon is indecisive about his status, yet Shoddy decided to put him straight in OU. People would think what is the point to practice with the blue dick if Smogon's stance is unclear as of this point.
I could careless about anything else, but I do not like to see that dick weed ANYWHERE in OU.
I guess I personally can see how this list is a bit iffy, being NOT only April 1st, but also some odd BLs in here and some odd OUs going out of the picture.
I kind of can understand Hippowdon's case in going down in usage, but that's because stall is starting to become unpopular. The same for Abamosnow and I guess Dusknoir, though I don't see how it was ever stall-material in the first place and not Spiritomb. God, Dusknoir dissapointed me!
I guess I could see how Rhyperior has a chance to climb. Getting Solid Rock fixed help, but it's true it needs some investment in some Special Defense and a Sandstorm to stay solid. Still, you can't shrug off most of his impressive Attack, HP, and Defense stats. It's almost crazy TO, but the weaknesses don't help. I remember I used an "okay" paralysis team with Swords Dance Rhyperior in it, and allow me to say it sweeps like mad just if it's allowed a Swords Dance. He outspeeds most of the walls, and to me that's all that mattered for him. Using him as a physical wall is no-no to me however.
I guess what confuses me the most is Arcanine and Aerodactyl being OU. Ok, maybe not so much on Aerodactyl, but moreso Arcanine. It did however get a semi-decent movepool (physical Thunder Fang, Flare Blitz, Extremespeed. Special Dragon Pulse, Hidden Power, Flamethrower)... if only he had Earthquake...
The prediction list kind of reminds me of the NCAA brackets, because there were formulas and such there for predicting things like this. I guess I can't say I extremely disagree with the "new OU list" but I can't say I totaly agree with it.
I kind of can understand Hippowdon's case in going down in usage, but that's because stall is starting to become unpopular. The same for Abamosnow and I guess Dusknoir, though I don't see how it was ever stall-material in the first place and not Spiritomb. God, Dusknoir dissapointed me!
I guess I could see how Rhyperior has a chance to climb. Getting Solid Rock fixed help, but it's true it needs some investment in some Special Defense and a Sandstorm to stay solid. Still, you can't shrug off most of his impressive Attack, HP, and Defense stats. It's almost crazy TO, but the weaknesses don't help. I remember I used an "okay" paralysis team with Swords Dance Rhyperior in it, and allow me to say it sweeps like mad just if it's allowed a Swords Dance. He outspeeds most of the walls, and to me that's all that mattered for him. Using him as a physical wall is no-no to me however.
I guess what confuses me the most is Arcanine and Aerodactyl being OU. Ok, maybe not so much on Aerodactyl, but moreso Arcanine. It did however get a semi-decent movepool (physical Thunder Fang, Flare Blitz, Extremespeed. Special Dragon Pulse, Hidden Power, Flamethrower)... if only he had Earthquake...
The prediction list kind of reminds me of the NCAA brackets, because there were formulas and such there for predicting things like this. I guess I can't say I extremely disagree with the "new OU list" but I can't say I totaly agree with it.
You need to remember that Solid Rock was fixed. I've been using Rhyperior quite successfully since then - I'm sure I'm not the only one doing so!
I'm disappointed that so many people are blatantly overlooking Arcanine. It has attacking stats almost akin to Lucario, as well as more Speed! It can attack from both sides, and severely damage and unprepared team. Hell, it can even stop a potentially fatal setup with Extremespeed. Combined with Howl, and you've got a surefire winner! Intimidate is also a great trait, despite Fire being a rather so-so defensive type.
Wait, Solid Rock didn't work before now?
No wonder my stupid Camerupt couldn't take any sort of water-based attack, even with a berry...
No wonder my stupid Camerupt couldn't take any sort of water-based attack, even with a berry...
It didn't work :|
Gah, if only I knew :(
Gah, if only I knew :(
Also, keep in mind that March statistics were just released today. This list being posted on April 1st is purely to get the metagame updated as quickly as possible for Smogon's users.
Perhaps when all this April Fools hype dies down we'll be able to approach this more seriously ...
Perhaps when all this April Fools hype dies down we'll be able to approach this more seriously ...
I think it's important to remember that the algorithm is working off of a very small data set at this point in time. As the months go by and we have more stats to work off of, the prediction algorithm will become more effective.
Well great, the metagame is ruined. Wobbu is OU. For those wondering why Smeargle's usage shot up, here's a good statistic:
After Wobbufett was introduced to OU, Smeargle went from 75 to 66. Then in March, it raised another 6 slots to number 60. Does anyone else realize that if Wobbufett catches something like Blissey and gets an Encore on Softboiled, you can just go to Smeargle and Belly Drum pass to something like Lucario.
Well this is just fucking great... I was fine with Wobbu being OU on Shoddy, but now that Smogon has added it to OU, every little wifi battling site can just say "Smogon did it" and they'll win the argument.
After Wobbufett was introduced to OU, Smeargle went from 75 to 66. Then in March, it raised another 6 slots to number 60. Does anyone else realize that if Wobbufett catches something like Blissey and gets an Encore on Softboiled, you can just go to Smeargle and Belly Drum pass to something like Lucario.
Well this is just fucking great... I was fine with Wobbu being OU on Shoddy, but now that Smogon has added it to OU, every little wifi battling site can just say "Smogon did it" and they'll win the argument.
...and I was *this* close to posting an April Fools joke in Firebot. (Hint: It would have involved chaos and akuchi. XD)
That aside, it's hard to argue that this isn't an interesting list. The Arcanine inclusion has been beaten to death so I won't go there. I do need to remind myself to run the prediction algorithm for each Pokemon if for no reason other than to see for myself how the tier lists are generated. It'd also be fun for me to check if the predictions are at least remotely accurate. :)
That aside, it's hard to argue that this isn't an interesting list. The Arcanine inclusion has been beaten to death so I won't go there. I do need to remind myself to run the prediction algorithm for each Pokemon if for no reason other than to see for myself how the tier lists are generated. It'd also be fun for me to check if the predictions are at least remotely accurate. :)
I did approach this seriously, Wobbuffet is going to ruin the fucking game and the community KNOWS it. If Shoddy can stop being so arrogant and look at what it can do rather than data of how it was used, wobb will still be uber and everyone is happy.
You may be approaching it seriously, and you have a valid opinion, but all the "lololol April Fool joke xDD" posts are rather pointless. Getting to the discussion at hand here is what we need to be doing.
Now, the very fact that Wobbuffet is being looked at in OU proves that no everyone is happy with it in Uber. Like mentioned previously, the more data we have for the prediction algorithm, the more accurate results will be.
Now, the very fact that Wobbuffet is being looked at in OU proves that no everyone is happy with it in Uber. Like mentioned previously, the more data we have for the prediction algorithm, the more accurate results will be.
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