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Decided to make a DPP nom since signups for classic just started.

:Murkrow: Murkrow B to A-

Murkrow is one of the fastest Pokemon in the tier. 91 speed lets it outspeed almost everything in the tier except for Kadabra, Diglett, Yanma and Grovyle, but Sucker Punch always kills Kadabra and Diglett in 1 hit and has a high chance to kill Yanma and Grovyle. Brave Bird 2hkoes or 1hkoes almost every Pokemon in the tier bar Physical Defensive Gligar, Metang and Lairon, but Murkrow has room for either Heat Wave or HP Ground/Ice which means that Murkrow doesnt really have any safe switchins. Pursuit lets Murkrow trap Misdreavous, Kadabra and its really nice for chipping other Pokemon that it forces out.

252 Atk Life Orb Murkrow Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Golbat: 255-301 (87.6 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Murkrow Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Misdreavus: 288-340 (110.3 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Murkrow Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Vigoroth: 231-273 (76.4 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Murkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gligar: 133-157 (39.8 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Murkrow Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wartortle: 160-189 (49.6 - 58.6%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
4 SpA Life Orb Murkrow Hidden Power Ice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gligar: 328-388 (98.2 - 116.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Leftovers recovery
4 SpA Life Orb Murkrow Hidden Power Ground vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Lairon: 400-472 (123.4 - 145.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Life Orb Murkrow Heat Wave vs. 248 HP / 20 SpD Metang: 192-228 (59.4 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery]

Murkrow @ Life Orb
Ability: Insomnia
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Brave Bird
- Sucker Punch
- Pursuit / Hidden Power Ground / Hidden power Ice
- Heat Wave
 
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Usage Stats

+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Monferno | 99 | 77.34% | 48.48% |
| 2 | Frogadier | 72 | 56.25% | 44.44% |
| 3 | Vullaby | 69 | 53.91% | 49.28% |
| 4 | Gabite | 64 | 50.00% | 57.81% |
| 4 | Clefairy | 64 | 50.00% | 46.88% |
| 6 | Electabuzz | 53 | 41.41% | 49.06% |
| 7 | Staravia | 50 | 39.06% | 50.00% |
| 8 | Metang | 44 | 34.38% | 40.91% |
| 9 | Roselia | 28 | 21.88% | 57.14% |
| 10 | Munchlax | 25 | 19.53% | 60.00% |
| 11 | Krokorok | 17 | 13.28% | 58.82% |
| 12 | Lampent | 16 | 12.50% | 56.25% |
| 13 | Klang | 15 | 11.72% | 26.67% |
| 14 | Frillish | 13 | 10.16% | 46.15% |
| 14 | Kadabra | 13 | 10.16% | 46.15% |
| 16 | Misdreavus | 10 | 7.81% | 70.00% |
| 17 | Marshtomp | 8 | 6.25% | 62.50% |
| 17 | Hippopotas | 8 | 6.25% | 37.50% |
| 19 | Duosion | 7 | 5.47% | 57.14% |
| 20 | Mienfoo | 6 | 4.69% | 66.67% |
| 20 | Eelektrik | 6 | 4.69% | 33.33% |
| 22 | Pupitar | 5 | 3.91% | 100.00% |
| 22 | Shellos | 5 | 3.91% | 80.00% |
| 22 | Magmar | 5 | 3.91% | 60.00% |
| 22 | Ivysaur | 5 | 3.91% | 60.00% |
| 22 | Fraxure | 5 | 3.91% | 20.00% |
| 27 | Weepinbell | 4 | 3.12% | 50.00% |
| 27 | Marill | 4 | 3.12% | 50.00% |
| 29 | Pikachu | 3 | 2.34% | 100.00% |
| 29 | Magnemite | 3 | 2.34% | 66.67% |
| 29 | Tangela | 3 | 2.34% | 66.67% |
| 29 | Combusken | 3 | 2.34% | 66.67% |
| 29 | Chinchou | 3 | 2.34% | 66.67% |
| 29 | Trubbish | 3 | 2.34% | 66.67% |
| 29 | Graveler | 3 | 2.34% | 33.33% |
| 29 | Murkrow | 3 | 2.34% | 33.33% |
| 37 | Spritzee | 2 | 1.56% | 100.00% |
| 37 | Onix | 2 | 1.56% | 50.00% |
| 37 | Riolu | 2 | 1.56% | 50.00% |
| 37 | Quilava | 2 | 1.56% | 50.00% |
| 37 | Aipom | 2 | 1.56% | 50.00% |
| 37 | Braixen | 2 | 1.56% | 50.00% |
| 37 | Quilladin | 2 | 1.56% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Wartortle | 1 | 0.78% | 100.00% |
| 44 | Vibrava | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Gastly | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Abra | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Zweilous | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Togetic | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Floette-White | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Grimer | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Palpitoad | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |
| 44 | Croconaw | 1 | 0.78% | 0.00% |


Two Mon Cores Usage Stats

Minimum Usage For Two Mon Cores was 7+ Uses

+ ---- + ------------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Combos of 2 | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Frogadier / Monferno | 62 | 48.44% | 45.16% |
| 2 | Clefairy / Monferno | 51 | 39.84% | 47.06% |
| 3 | Gabite / Monferno | 50 | 39.06% | 58.00% |
| 3 | Vullaby / Monferno | 50 | 39.06% | 46.00% |
| 5 | Frogadier / Gabite | 46 | 35.94% | 52.17% |
| 6 | Monferno / Electabuzz | 43 | 33.59% | 55.81% |
| 7 | Staravia / Monferno | 41 | 32.03% | 53.66% |
| 8 | Vullaby / Gabite | 39 | 30.47% | 56.41% |
| 9 | Vullaby / Frogadier | 38 | 29.69% | 42.11% |
| 10 | Frogadier / Staravia | 37 | 28.91% | 48.65% |
| 11 | Vullaby / Electabuzz | 36 | 28.12% | 52.78% |
| 11 | Clefairy / Electabuzz | 36 | 28.12% | 50.00% |
| 11 | Vullaby / Clefairy | 36 | 28.12% | 41.67% |
| 11 | Clefairy / Frogadier | 36 | 28.12% | 41.67% |
| 15 | Metang / Monferno | 31 | 24.22% | 35.48% |
| 16 | Gabite / Staravia | 30 | 23.44% | 53.33% |
| 16 | Clefairy / Gabite | 30 | 23.44% | 50.00% |
| 16 | Frogadier / Electabuzz | 30 | 23.44% | 40.00% |
| 19 | Monferno / Roselia | 27 | 21.09% | 59.26% |
| 20 | Gabite / Electabuzz | 26 | 20.31% | 57.69% |
| 21 | Clefairy / Metang | 25 | 19.53% | 48.00% |
| 22 | Frogadier / Metang | 24 | 18.75% | 33.33% |
| 23 | Staravia / Roselia | 21 | 16.41% | 57.14% |
| 23 | Clefairy / Staravia | 21 | 16.41% | 47.62% |
| 23 | Vullaby / Metang | 21 | 16.41% | 42.86% |
| 26 | Frogadier / Roselia | 20 | 15.62% | 55.00% |
| 27 | Vullaby / Munchlax | 19 | 14.84% | 68.42% |
| 27 | Metang / Electabuzz | 19 | 14.84% | 36.84% |
| 29 | Gabite / Roselia | 18 | 14.06% | 55.56% |
| 30 | Staravia / Metang | 17 | 13.28% | 41.18% |
| 31 | Krokorok / Monferno | 16 | 12.50% | 62.50% |
| 32 | Munchlax / Monferno | 15 | 11.72% | 53.33% |
| 33 | Gabite / Munchlax | 12 | 9.38% | 83.33% |
| 33 | Vullaby / Lampent | 12 | 9.38% | 75.00% |
| 33 | Frogadier / Krokorok | 12 | 9.38% | 66.67% |
| 33 | Krokorok / Roselia | 12 | 9.38% | 66.67% |
| 33 | Monferno / Klang | 12 | 9.38% | 25.00% |
| 38 | Krokorok / Gabite | 11 | 8.59% | 72.73% |
| 38 | Krokorok / Staravia | 11 | 8.59% | 72.73% |
| 38 | Lampent / Gabite | 11 | 8.59% | 72.73% |
| 38 | Clefairy / Munchlax | 11 | 8.59% | 36.36% |
| 38 | Vullaby / Staravia | 11 | 8.59% | 27.27% |
| 38 | Staravia / Electabuzz | 11 | 8.59% | 18.18% |
| 44 | Gabite / Metang | 10 | 7.81% | 50.00% |
| 44 | Frillish / Monferno | 10 | 7.81% | 50.00% |
| 44 | Kadabra / Monferno | 10 | 7.81% | 50.00% |
| 47 | Frogadier / Kadabra | 9 | 7.03% | 55.56% |
| 47 | Clefairy / Kadabra | 9 | 7.03% | 55.56% |
| 47 | Frillish / Staravia | 9 | 7.03% | 55.56% |
| 47 | Frillish / Gabite | 9 | 7.03% | 33.33% |
| 47 | Lampent / Frogadier | 9 | 7.03% | 33.33% |
| 47 | Munchlax / Metang | 9 | 7.03% | 22.22% |
| 47 | Vullaby / Klang | 9 | 7.03% | 22.22% |
| 47 | Clefairy / Klang | 9 | 7.03% | 11.11% |
| 55 | Munchlax / Electabuzz | 8 | 6.25% | 75.00% |
| 55 | Frillish / Clefairy | 8 | 6.25% | 50.00% |
| 55 | Lampent / Monferno | 8 | 6.25% | 37.50% |
| 58 | Misdreavus / Munchlax | 7 | 5.47% | 85.71% |
| 58 | Lampent / Munchlax | 7 | 5.47% | 71.43% |
| 58 | Duosion / Monferno | 7 | 5.47% | 57.14% |
| 58 | Vullaby / Hippopotas | 7 | 5.47% | 42.86% |


If anyone wants to post any ORAS VR Noms, there should be a VR update soon.​
 
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To carry on in Quagg's stead, I wanna place some nominations forward for the DPP metagame, seeing how the tour is coming up and it's been under the radar for a quite a bit and hopefully, this can provoke discussion and encourage more people to try out this oldgen since it's being overshadowed by everything else.

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Kadabra A- to A/A+

After playing some games as of late, Kadabra is honestly one of the best mons in the meta imo and I think we've overlooked its capabilities. It's the fastest unboosted mon in the metagame and the strongest special attacker we have. In a tier lacking Eviolite, Kadabra is capable of completely just destroying teams due to how DPP is just a less bulkier meta and everything is really frail. Maybe because stuff like Sneasel, Electabuzz and Magmar were overshadowing Kadabra, the DPP Council (myself included) put this thing lower because its threat level was lower than the aforementioned mons. Now that we've dealt with those a while back, Kadabra is pretty uncontested rn, having no real defensive checks or counters whatsoever and requires you to actually have speed control/Murkrow or you risk losing the entire game (and speed control isn't really hard to have in DPP.)

Kadabra @ Life Orb
Ability: Synchronize
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Psychic
- Energy Ball
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Fire] / Hidden Power [Fighting]

Psychic can 2hko everything that doesn't resist it. Shadow Ball beats Misdreavus, Energy Ball bops Marshtomp and the Hidden Powers are pretty customisable depending on what you need to hit. Spdef Bronzor has a 70% chance to get 2hko by HP Fire and handles Metang (which walls you otherwise) and HP Fighting deals with any Lairon set.

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Grovyle B to B+/A-

Everyone who's faced me in DPP knows I like to use Grovyle and I'm not particularly biased, this thing is actually good. Physical Grovyle is actually better than Special for one reason only. Swords Dance. Boosting in DPP means killing everything in sight and since Grovyle is tied to be the second fastest unboosted mon with Diglett and Yanma, it does a pretty good job at being a Swords Dance sweeper. Physical SD is able to bypass would-be checks like Spdef Rose, Golbat and Metang and Grovyle has good matchups against every mon in the S and A ranks outside of Piloswine and Kadabra. It's much more reliable than Croconaw as a SD mon so a change in rank should reflect this.

Grovyle @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Double-Edge
- Low Kick

Now I'm feeling very generous right now so I'm gonna give out a team free of charge! I wonder how many people will use it in this tour.
Monferno @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Overheat
- Taunt
- Mach Punch

Grovyle @ Life Orb
Ability: Overgrow
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Double-Edge
- Low Kick

Marshtomp @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
- Superpower

Meditite @ Choice Band
Ability: Pure Power
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Zen Headbutt
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch

Gligar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- U-turn
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Night Slash

Wartortle @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic
- Zen Headbutt
- Waterfall

I'll do a quick RMT while I'm at it. Monferno is the most versatile mon in the tier and lead is pretty good. Being able to always set up rocks against opposing teams is amazing since our only form of hazard removal is Wartortle. Taunt stops any lead slower eg Metang from setting up rocks and Overheat is just a strong nuke against anything that doesn't resist.

The star of this team is SD Grovyle (which I just nominated to be higher). As I've mentioned, being one of the fastest mons in the tier has its benefits when setting up and Grovyle is just a huge threat imo. Leaf Blade checks common stuff like Wartortle and Marshtomp, Double Edge is a strong move that lets Grovyle beat Roselia and Golbat and Low Kick gets the Steels like Metang which is 2hko at +2 quite easily.

Marshtomp is my physdef tank, its most notable job is checking the best mon in the tier Monferno and also mons like Diglett and Gligar. Not much else to say.

Meditite is really strong. A shame HJK is only 100BP in gen 4, if it was 130, probably would've banned it. Either way, Band is a decent breaker that can easily 2hko any physdef mon in the tier which includes Wartortle and Marshtomp and essentially has no switchins.

Gligar is one of the best scarfers, if not the best scarfer thanks to it keeping up momentum with U-turn, causing switches, being faster than common scarfers like Monferno and good damage output. Its natural physical bulk also allows it to come on stuff like Staravia (rip reckless), Monferno and Vigoroth.

Finally we've reached our only hazard control option, Wartortle. I've liked to run speedy tortle sets for beating Roselia down with Zen Headbutt, which is Wartortle's biggest pain. Other than that, its pretty common to run this so yeah.

Thanks for reading!!
 

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