NOC Medieval Mafia - Game Over: Majora's Maskians Win

Not rushing in regards to how long it was after my post, but in regards to how long this day has been.

Most of the playerbase hasn't contributed squat. The rationale behind your vote and billy's is one that is contempt with ending the day right here and now. This is not a pro-town rationale.
 
At this point in time all of this seems fairly reasonable, but I would like to say that, having played against Snype in RTM on IRC, he tends to drop a LOT of tells if he is mafia, and that was the vibe I was getting from him pretty strongly. You seem much more adept at NOC mafia, which leads me to believe that you may well just be trying for some damage control to ensure this lynch hits someone other than you.

That being said, I can't exactly fault you for making valid points and if you are in fact a villager then it's not like you could give any other explanation for Snype's actions.
I would rather not die after just subbing in, yes.
And now, Q & A.
However, my vote will remain on you until you answer a few more questions:
-It looks to me like you are simply trying to redirect suspicion towards an (admittedly retarded) post from a noobie, and are just going after the easiest target. Any reason you don't mention ANY other suspicions other than towards Leethoof?
Other suspicions somewhat dilute the strength of a case against a particular user. I just highlighted the most suspicious player FMPOV at the time.
-What do you think of the other vocal users up to this point? Please address each of the following: Myself, Blue_Tornado, Paperblade, Yeti, Ditto, zorbees, Brammi, anyone else I forgot.
The Uncle: jegus lemme post.

*ahem*
Mr. Sam is known for promoting a view of that the announcer should claim, stirring up discussion, being the target of a samwagon, and now arguing with BT. I personally think he's somewhat townlike, but I don't like the side argument that's going on right now.

The Tornado: Got defensive about being jumpy (Post 76) after a bit of pressure from a query about Sam's millslogic. Said defense evolved into a defense of his defensiveness in post 91, and later on a defense of his denial of defending billymills in post 95. Doesn't like the samwagon. I think he's a bit hyper or something, and that the two of them should try and move on.

The Blade: AKA the only person I've seen in an NOC before. He's acting like townblade from my experience.

The Yeti: makes some good points about kidnapper, and is skeptical wrt Sam. I get a town vibe, personally.

The Ditto: He protests too much, methinks. Probably should discuss the announcer topic instead of defending his setup idea. I understand that he does not like D1, but even still, it would be productive for him to post his position.

The Zorbees: Is RVSing, and now has switch to a Sam Lynch. I disagree with the Sam Lynch personally, but I see the logic behind it. He's made his position clear on the announcer issue, but other than the random votes and the explanation based on the opinions, I can't get a read on him.

The Brammi: Jumped on Sam's bandwagon twice, so it looks like he's following him. I get this feeling he's overreading, but that might just be me. Another thing that bothers me is that he considers a single vote in the RVS 'weak', when that's really the whole point of the exercise. X votes Y to see how they react. =/

The Ninjask: Post the First was pretty solid, seeing as it was anti-troll lynch + RVS vote, both of which I advocate to some extent. Post the Second was a bit of stating the obvious. Post the third was a counter to Brammi's weak vote comment and a change of trains to Snype/me. I believe he's someone town-telling.

The Coronis: I found their elaboration inadequate, and attempts to justify their echoing highly suspect. I'd like to ask why he agrees with Yeti and Sam, instead of just saying "oh I'm agreeing with them" and leaving it at that. It's essentially follow the leader mindlessly, otherwise. Suspect The Second, behind Leethoof.

The Kong: First post was sort of omgus, without the vote. His two 'serious' posts were to vote Coronis to pressure him for reasoning, promote activity, to provide a warning about clear townies who don't know how to play proper mafia, and to explain to Coronis even more clearly why he was voting him. I found it solid, but it'd be nice to see more of his posting material.

The Ultra: I have no idea what he was trying to say in that post. He just said 24 man village, so he should probably post more and elaborate that.

The Mills: Contribution to this thread consists of asking for a bell, refusing to elaborate about why, saying that there's nothing off about Sam and I, apparently, keeping his vote on Red while stating he is suspicious of ditto, and trying to advise BT to stop buddying him. Then he goes and votes with zorbees on UncleSam. I don't get town vibes from him, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia.

-What do you think of the notable silences from several players I for one would expect to be active? I am looking at TalkingLion (who is currently hosting a game and has been active but hasn't posted in this thread once), jalmont, MK Ultra (his lone post was WAYYYYY too friendly for my tastes), and most especially billymills.
Lion's one post is inadequate FMPOV, but you're already hard at work trying to address that.

Jalmont hasn't said anything other than correcting Quagsires once, which looked like something like an attempt to appear to be contributing. Post more, etc...

I already addressed Mr. Mills and Ultra MK.I.
-Do you think it is a bad idea for the announcer to step up at this very moment because we have discussion going (my viewpoint) or would you have thought the same right from the start of Day 1 (BT/PBlade's/zorbees' viewpoint)?
I think it's a bad idea because wedk his faction, and even if he claimed, he wouldn't be clear. This would mean we'd have to waste an inspection on them to clean them, and to do so also carries the risk of a role like an interceptor potentially killing the inspector off.

tl;dr Snike sux
 

Ditto

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You want my opinion on the announcer? I think it's completely idiotic for the announcer to claim. It's a completely useless power role that could definitely be mafia. Even if the announcer is village, they'll know nothing more than we do. They have no better way to tell who is mafia or village than anyone else in this game. All it would do is give mafia and/or easily swayed players someone to follow without actually giving the town any true benefit.
 

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Me supporting Unclesam's claim wouldn't make you look bad unless you were doing a really bad job trying to defend me.

In other news, I agree with Zorbees' lynch. Not because Sam has done anything wrong, but because he's given us multiple opinions on everyone, and most everyone has given an opinion of him. It would give us a good starting point next day.

Vote Unclesam
Uhhh...what?

So in other words the reason you two want to lynch me is that I am the only fucking person acting in the town's best interest and establishing relationships with other players? You two essentially admit this is pro-town behavior yet NEITHER of you do so yourself and then just try and lynch me because "it would give us a good starting point next day"??? Also way to buddy each other.

Hey guys I have a great strategy: let's lynch active players because they are the only ones we will be able to refer back to their posts to when we mislynch them.

I seriously hope everyone can see how retarded that strategy is.

As for those two, I have already explained why I think billymills is mafia and zorbees is being FAR less talkative than usual. Blue_Tornado just strikes me as a dumbass villager because there is no way a mafia would get into such a heated argument with someone they know is town AND will argue back, and I think that if Blue_Tornado were mafia his teammates would've told him to back off it a LONG time ago.

Snike said:
I would rather not die after just subbing in, yes.
And now, Q & A.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat UncleSam

However, my vote will remain on you until you answer a few more questions:
-It looks to me like you are simply trying to redirect suspicion towards an (admittedly retarded) post from a noobie, and are just going after the easiest target. Any reason you don't mention ANY other suspicions other than towards Leethoof?


Other suspicions somewhat dilute the strength of a case against a particular user. I just highlighted the most suspicious player FMPOV at the time.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat UncleSam

-What do you think of the other vocal users up to this point? Please address each of the following: Myself, Blue_Tornado, Paperblade, Yeti, Ditto, zorbees, Brammi, anyone else I forgot.

The Uncle: jegus lemme post.

*ahem*
Mr. Sam is known for promoting a view of that the announcer should claim, stirring up discussion, being the target of a samwagon, and now arguing with BT. I personally think he's somewhat townlike, but I don't like the side argument that's going on right now.

The Tornado: Got defensive about being jumpy (Post 76) after a bit of pressure from a query about Sam's millslogic. Said defense evolved into a defense of his defensiveness in post 91, and later on a defense of his denial of defending billymills in post 95. Doesn't like the samwagon. I think he's a bit hyper or something, and that the two of them should try and move on.

The Blade: AKA the only person I've seen in an NOC before. He's acting like townblade from my experience.

The Yeti: makes some good points about kidnapper, and is skeptical wrt Sam. I get a town vibe, personally.

The Ditto: Methinks he doth protest too much. Probably should discuss the announcer topic instead of defending his setup idea. I understand that he does not like D1, but even still, it would be productive for him to post his position.

The Zorbees: Is RVSing, and now has switch to a Sam Lynch. I disagree with the Sam Lynch personally, but I see the logic behind it. He's made his position clear on the announcer issue, but other than the random votes and the explanation based on the opinions, I can't get a read on him.

The Brammi: Jumped on Sam's bandwagon twice, so it looks like he's following him. I get this feeling he's overreading, but that might just be me. Another thing that bothers me is that he considers a single vote in the RVS 'weak', when that's really the whole point of the exercise. X votes Y to see how they react. =/

The Ninjask: Post the First was pretty solid, seeing as it was anti-troll lynch + RVS vote, both of which I advocate to some extent. Post the Second was a bit of stating the obvious. Post the third was a counter to Brammi's weak vote comment and a change of trains to Snype/me. I believe he's someone town-telling.

The Coronis: I found their elaboration inadequate, and attempts to justify their echoing highly suspect. I'd like to ask why he agrees with Yeti and Sam, instead of just saying "oh I'm agreeing with them" and leaving it at that. It's essentially follow the leader mindlessly, otherwise. Suspect The Second, behind Leethoof.

The Kong: First post was sort of omgus, without the vote. His two 'serious' posts were to vote Coronis to pressure him for reasoning, promote activity, to provide a warning about clear townies who don't know how to play proper mafia, and to explain to Coronis even more clearly why he was voting him. I found it solid, but it'd be nice to see more of his posting material.

The Ultra: I have no idea what he was trying to say in that post. He just said 24 man village, so he should probably post more and elaborate that.

The Mills: Contribution to this thread consists of asking for a bell, refusing to elaborate about why, saying that there's nothing off about Sam and I, apparently, keeping his vote on Red while stating he is suspicious of ditto, and trying to advise BT to stop buddying him. Then he goes and votes with zorbees on UncleSam. I don't get town vibes from him, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat UncleSam

-What do you think of the notable silences from several players I for one would expect to be active? I am looking at TalkingLion (who is currently hosting a game and has been active but hasn't posted in this thread once), jalmont, MK Ultra (his lone post was WAYYYYY too friendly for my tastes), and most especially billymills.

Lion's one post is inadequate FMPOV, but you're already hard at work trying to address that.

Jalmont hasn't said anything other than correcting Quagsires once, which looked like something like an attempt to appear to be contributing. Post more, etc...

I already addressed Mr. Mills and Ultra MK.I.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat UncleSam

-Do you think it is a bad idea for the announcer to step up at this very moment because we have discussion going (my viewpoint) or would you have thought the same right from the start of Day 1 (BT/PBlade's/zorbees' viewpoint)?

I think it's a bad idea because wedk his faction, and even if he claimed, he wouldn't be clear. This would mean we'd have to waste an inspection on them to clean them, and to do so also carries the risk of a role like an interceptor potentially killing the inspector off.

tl;dr Snike sux
Not gonna lie, I am still getting mafia vibes from you, mostly in that you seem to be trying really hard to hedge your bets and be like "well I'm not CERTAIN UncleSam is mafia" so that in case I am mislynched you won't have any fingers pointing at you. However, I think that there are bigger fish to fry at the moment and you at least have posted a viewpoint on every other player.

Now then, here is what I propose: EVERY SINGLE PLAYER MUST POST AN OPINION ON EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THIS GAME, AND IF SOME OTHER PLAYERS HAVE NOT POSTED SIMPLY SAY "HASN'T POSTED". THIS WILL HELP THE VILLAGE STARTING TOMORROW AS ZORBEES AND BILLYMILLS HAVE SO ASTUTELY POINTED OUT, AND WILL GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN DRAW CONNECTIONS BETWEEN USERS NO MATTER WHO WE LYNCH SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LYNCH RANDOM ACTIVE PRO-TOWN USERS IN ORDER TO GARNER INFORMATION. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT DO SO WILL BE CAST UNDER EXTREME SUSPICION.

billymills and zorbees really can't say anything against this because they have already admitted how much it helps the town, and if anyone else wants to argue against the logic behind this be my guest, you will only be revealing that you want to hurt the town in future cycles.

In the meantime, I am going to back off of Snike for now simply because he is contributing to the discussion with the knowledge that we can always lynch him later on if no better targets reveal themselves.

billymills: You have quite a bit of explaining to do, starting with why you lynched me in the same post as you said "Sam hasn't done anything wrong". Seriously, if you were some NOC noob I would let this slide, but you are the single most experienced player (NOC or otherwise) in this game and also imo easily in the top 3 in terms of play quality, and I really cannot think of any reason you would be so lazy up to this point in drawing out connections between users and figuring out who might be allied with who other than that you are mafia.
zorbees: You have less to answer for than billymills, but I want to know why you are abandoning your usual "draw out everyone into the discussion" and instead started a random roll on me with billymills (I know that he followed you so you couldn't possibly know that when you voted me, but you did not call him out on it subsequently).

However, my vote is going to shift to Lynch Rediamond in order to draw out the inactives, because the simple fact is that the village is not going to learn a hell of a lot more on those already posting as is and we need everyone to be on the table providing input in order to facilitate as much public information flow as possible.

Users: infinity.cypher, Kaxtar, Metal Bagon, and any other inactives I am forgetting: this could just as easily be you so POST SOMETHING, NAMELY YOUR OPINIONS ON ALL OTHER PLAYERS. NOW.

In order not to be a hypocrite, I will post my opinions on all players when I get back from class in about two hours.
 
Ok, sorry for not responding earlier, I had to go out. Anyway, here are my thoughts on the following people:

UncleSam: He is one of the more vocal posters, could be a mafian trying to blend in but I think he is most likely a villager.

Blue_Tornado: A little defensive with his posts, I think that he is probably scum, but he could just not want the village to mislynch at this point.

Paperblade: I think he's being wrongly accused really. Just because he randonly voted for someone at this early in the game does not mean he is scum, but there is a possibility of that being true.

Brammi: Don't have much of an opinion on him to be honest, I have a hunch that he is village though as he is trying to evaluate everyone.

billymills: I am pretty sure that he is village. If he was scum, then I don't think he would have much of a problem with B_T defending him, as it can help get attention away from him.

Yeti: Not really sure about her at the moment.

Ditto: He seems like he is trying to get the village organized quickly, which I support so that we don't mislynch too much early on.

zorbees: He lynches people too quickly to be honest, without providing much justification. Could be scum, but could also be village trying to get people to talk more.

And seeing that we are trying to lynch the inactive players to get them to talk, I will lynch Kaxtar for now, to get him to talk, but this goes to all of the other idlers in this game as well. LISTEN TO UNCLESAM AND POST!
 

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Uhhh...what?

So in other words the reason you two want to lynch me is that I am the only fucking person acting in the town's best interest and establishing relationships with other players? You two essentially admit this is pro-town behavior yet NEITHER of you do so yourself and then just try and lynch me because "it would give us a good starting point next day"??? Also way to buddy each other.

I never said you were acting in the town's best interests. In fact, I would flat out say you are against it, as you are repeatedly discussing the same things over again. I in general hate your playstyle in NOC because you tend to make everything focus on yourself which is pretty bad imo. Also note that billy decided to follow me, and that I have not buddied billymills whatsoever. (inb4 lol nice distancing technique)

Hey guys I have a great strategy: let's lynch active players because they are the only ones we will be able to refer back to their posts to when we mislynch them.

I seriously hope everyone can see how retarded that strategy is.

As for those two, I have already explained why I think billymills is mafia and zorbees is being FAR less talkative than usual. Blue_Tornado just strikes me as a dumbass villager because there is no way a mafia would get into such a heated argument with someone they know is town AND will argue back, and I think that if Blue_Tornado were mafia his teammates would've told him to back off it a LONG time ago.

I already said that I'm not usually insanely active in NOC, and to add to the fact, I subbed out of both EXPERTS and Underground do to irl issues. I'm available a fairly decent amount but I can't be assed to focus 100% on mafia, let alone two or three mafias.

Not gonna lie, I am still getting mafia vibes from you, mostly in that you seem to be trying really hard to hedge your bets and be like "well I'm not CERTAIN UncleSam is mafia" so that in case I am mislynched you won't have any fingers pointing at you. However, I think that there are bigger fish to fry at the moment and you at least have posted a viewpoint on every other player.

Now then, here is what I propose: EVERY SINGLE PLAYER MUST POST AN OPINION ON EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THIS GAME, AND IF SOME OTHER PLAYERS HAVE NOT POSTED SIMPLY SAY "HASN'T POSTED". THIS WILL HELP THE VILLAGE STARTING TOMORROW AS ZORBEES AND BILLYMILLS HAVE SO ASTUTELY POINTED OUT, AND WILL GUARANTEE THAT WE CAN DRAW CONNECTIONS BETWEEN USERS NO MATTER WHO WE LYNCH SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO LYNCH RANDOM ACTIVE PRO-TOWN USERS IN ORDER TO GARNER INFORMATION. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT DO SO WILL BE CAST UNDER EXTREME SUSPICION.

billymills and zorbees really can't say anything against this because they have already admitted how much it helps the town, and if anyone else wants to argue against the logic behind this be my guest, you will only be revealing that you want to hurt the town in future cycles.

I never said posting a read on every single player in the game was a good thing. Posting relevant reads, or reads that go against common opinion, is important.

In the meantime, I am going to back off of Snike for now simply because he is contributing to the discussion with the knowledge that we can always lynch him later on if no better targets reveal themselves.

billymills : You have quite a bit of explaining to do, starting with why you lynched me in the same post as you said "Sam hasn't done anything wrong". Seriously, if you were some NOC noob I would let this slide, but you are the single most experienced player (NOC or otherwise) in this game and also imo easily in the top 3 in terms of play quality, and I really cannot think of any reason you would be so lazy up to this point in drawing out connections between users and figuring out who might be allied with who other than that you are mafia.
zorbees : You have less to answer for than billymills, but I want to know why you are abandoning your usual "draw out everyone into the discussion" and instead started a random roll on me with billymills (I know that he followed you so you couldn't possibly know that when you voted me, but you did not call him out on it subsequently).

My usual NOC strategy isn't to draw everyone into the discussion. It is to discuss various different topics from various points of view rather than hitting the same topic over and over until people decide one way or the other. I don't really like inactives, but even voting people sometimes doesn't make them more active. Rediamond has a few votes and still hasn't posted in response, for example. I didn't call billymills for bandwagoning because I generally believe billymills will vote however he wants regardless of anyone's opinion on him. If he feels an UncleSam vote is the best course of action, he will vote you.

However, my vote is going to shift to Lynch Rediamond in order to draw out the inactives, because the simple fact is that the village is not going to learn a hell of a lot more on those already posting as is and we need everyone to be on the table providing input in order to facilitate as much public information flow as possible.

Users: infinity.cypher, Kaxtar, Metal Bagon, and any other inactives I am forgetting: this could just as easily be you so POST SOMETHING, NAMELY YOUR OPINIONS ON ALL OTHER PLAYERS. NOW.

In order not to be a hypocrite, I will post my opinions on all players when I get back from class in about two hours.

I will post my relevant reads after rereading the entirety of the thread
 
Also, no, posting every opinion you have on every player is not advisable as it only makes posts less focused/harder to read and slows town down. The only thing town is interested in is your scum reads and your explanation for them. Giving lists of who you think is most townie only gives scum a better pool of 'these players will probably not get lynched' to NK from.
I think this counts as "disagreeing with your logic".

And I'm definitely a dumbass for pursuing my scum reads, yup. All you've been doing up to now to reply to my accusations is some extreme discred.
 
Not gonna lie, I am still getting mafia vibes from you, mostly in that you seem to be trying really hard to hedge your bets and be like "well I'm not CERTAIN UncleSam is mafia" so that in case I am mislynched you won't have any fingers pointing at you. However, I think that there are bigger fish to fry at the moment and you at least have posted a viewpoint on every other player.
I don't see where you're getting the idea that I believe you're mafia, but ok. I can live with that.

This is just getting the rest of those troublesome players out of the way:

Crux: Has not contributed anything relevant.

Ditto(Update): That response was acceptable.

Infinity.Cypher: NP

Kaxtar: NP

Lady Salamence: NP

Metal Bagon: NP

nEsp: Had a pretty solid post, but then disappeared. Say moar?

Quagsires: Oh Quagsires, Quagsires, where art thou Quagsires? He opposed the announcer claiming idea, then dropped of the radar.

Rediamond: NP

Snike: A terrible excuse for a player, who clearly needs to be lynched immediately for the sake of Smogon Mafia as we know it.

TalkingLion: Explained his inactivity, and that's all. Until I pressed the refresh button and saw his reads. I am currently puzzling over how he came to those conclusions. Also, rumor has it that Yeti is a girl.
Edit: Oh and he's following the obvious leader. Yeah, I'm not liking Mr. Lion much
 
In answer to your question about why I agree with them, it is because I have followed a similar thought pattern to them, and come to the same conclusion.
 
Sorry for not posting before. Exams suck. However, it has been like 20 hours since Day 1 started, so not posting before now is not inexcusable.

Lots of stuff going on, so this is just my initial reads on the most active or prolific players:

Ditto: I like the logic and the discussion he's trying to promote. Keep it up becuase it helps the village one way or another.
UncleSam: Very zealous in getting people to post. While discussion is good ofc, he's hasty to accuse people. Not too sure what this means, so let's give him (and everyone else for that matter) more time.
Billymills: That bandwagon on the UncleSam lynch is a tad shady. We need discussion atm, not lynches on active players. Also, get more active. Though this applies to everyone, you have more potential than most of the rest of the players, and your insight is highly valued.
Zorbees: Seems a bit off to me. Why he would call me out for not posting with a lynch vote and then say "I'm never too active and posty in noc games (Post 100)" seems hypocritical. If you're willing to vote people in order to get them to talk, you sure as hell should contribute yourself.
Blue Tornado: He's trying to keep up from making a hasty lynch while also asking people to post only relevant information to keep village on track. Sure, he's defensive, but that's not a bad sign. Overall, I'm getting a good vibe from him.
Snike: I like the reads. Good, somewhat unique opinions. Keep them coming.
TalkingLion: I don't like how your reads are so indecisive and how you seem to throwing your support behind UncleSam. Give us more solid opinions to work with, please. Bad initial feeling will be hard to shake, though.
Aska: Good post, post more. This also applies MK, Yeti, Paperblade, leethoof, etc.
Brammi: Give us something real to go off of instead of choppy reads and basic or irrelevant logic, please.
100 other inactive users: post scum reads please.

I don't have any conclusive opinions on people yet, primarily becuase there are various ways to go about being both village or mafia in NOC. For example, being inactive could be good strategy for mafiaso becuase it prevents you form tangling yourself up in your own words. On the other hand, a village might want to keep quiet if he has nothing to add or wants to let more competent people lead village discussion. Same goes for doggedly attacking people; it could be village trying to lynch or mafia trying to derail the village. Bottom line, don't take activity or lack there of as a sign of scum. Let's just get a lynch going today and let actions speak louder than words. However, if you all want a top three scum list, I'd go with TalkingLion, Brammi, and Zorbees/Billy for the moment.

Everyone else, keep posting scum reads. TBH most other stuff is subjective, inconclusive and only serves to engage people in personal attack wars.
 
What is it with Unclesam and big posts? Terse is good, B_T was right about that. Hey, let's give the mafias what everyone thinks about everyone! Then they can kill whom we trust while they search for the inspect (wolf as well)!

I do not want a claim because quite simply the announcer is admitting to not having another role if they out themselves, meaning they are not the inspect, bg, or really anyone else worthy of a nightkill IF they are village. If they're mafia, then they'd do so to gain our trust. See: above.

Good point on Zorbees, though Snype can be somewhat discounted after their is a clear problem seen. If you're taking past games into account though, then you've already explained Jalmont and Brammi's posts (see: limited Smogon experience [not mafiascum] for Brammi as well as the occasional failure to sarcasm, Jalmont being the last villager lynch in Roots). I've said before that it is best for us to downplay experience unless it differs from the past, which I have seen no difference for Jalmont so far (unfortunately). Zorbees could fall into here as well, Unclesam I believe falls just outside due to being MORE aggressive than usual in a time where he continually stresses he does not have enough time to play mafia.

The only difference I can say for sure was a good point on billymills, but its only been 24 hours and he has said little.

And Leethoof, newer players, everyone not posting. I don't care if you're bad, speak up and talk as well (though not as much as Unclesam, that's ridiculous). Share your thoughts. We care, and they'll help you get better if they're discussed.
 

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@ Yeti: I will be looking at you if snype flips scum because of his comment made about you. It was a simple textbook distancing tactic. It's not me lining up lynches, it's just me making the rest of the town aware of my thought process.
Found this line a bit suspicious. Made it seem like he was saying "think about lynching Yeti if Snype is mafia, but if Yeti is village, don't blame me." I don't even think Snype's "buddying" was very strong, and Yeti could very easily be villager if Snype/Snike is mafia.

However, I will Vote Crux for the moment. His only contributions were troll posts on page 3, when actual discussion was going on. He's probably sleeping atm due to Australia being dumb, but when he gets up I'd like to see a relevant post.

EDIT: @Kaxtar: there is a difference between not posting at all and posting a bit but not incredibly active like UncleSam. When I was talking about myself, I was saying that while I am trying to contribute, I'm not going to post as often as some would hope, due to IRL issues and due to my usual NOC playstyle. I hope I made myself clear in the difference.

EDIT2: unvoted
 

Paperblade

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zorbees seems to be jumping around due to RVS, although at this point we have been kind of dragged out of this and votes should have a tad more reasoning than "You would be a good mislynch." I'm just not sure what to think of him.

Crux and MK Ultra and probably Coronis and kok also need to make quality posts imo.

TL seems to be avoiding stepping on anyone's toes or committing to an opinion, which makes me not like him very much.

Because right now I am the one driving the discussion while all you (and Paperblade and Brammi) are doing is focusing on one person and spouting random generalities about crookedness while completely ignoring everyone else in the thread (seriously, you found NO other posts in the thread of note other than mine? You expect me to believe that?).
buh wuh? I'm pretty sure I said that people just talking about setup (coughditto) were wasting time and I don't like that either. Unfortunately, I can only vote one person at a time, and you are most suspicious, especially since your "I was just promoting discussion" feels like backpedaling. However in light of TL's odd post and in the interest of discussion, I will be changing my vote to lynch TalkingLion

also people not posting should stop that, this includes people whose most recent posts are on like page 1 (quagsires)

Also also I second the motion to make it easier to search for votes, ## or @@ or something

edit: and quagsires ninjas me...
 
PBlade, elaborate. What in TL's post is odd and warrants a vote over the others?

Hi both hosts that happen to be online and viewing the thread. Is the vote command going to be changed? Also, will we be getting a votecount eventually? ~_~
 

Ditto

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OH MY FUCKING GOD! How many times do I have to say that I was answering a question before you guys get it into your fucking heads? Should I just put that at the top of every one of my posts so maybe one day you guys will finally realize it, or are you lost causes?

EDIT: That was a bit harsh, but I'm just getting annoyed at that...
 

Paperblade

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PBlade, elaborate. What in TL's post is odd and warrants a vote over the others?
Most of the people he commented he was just like "Oh I think they're probably town" or "I dunno lol"

The only two people he said he thought were scummy (you and zorbees) he qualified with "could be village doing [useful thing]." I got the impression he was just saying something without giving a real opinion so that he could stay under the radar and possibly even bandwagon a vote later saying "Oh this persuaded me."

I also thought that putting his trust into US was weird.
 
How Dare Ditto Answer A Question! AKA Ditto Mad Mafia

In my mind's eye, Coronis's response is one suited for a scum. My suspicions only grow of him, since he seems to want to be as unhelpful as possible. I'm staying on leethoof until they explain themselves, however.
 
I will post votecounts when they are requested (like right now!).

Voted: Voters (# of voters)

Snike: Brammi, askaninjask (2)
UncleSam: billymills, Blue_Tornado (2)
Coronis: kingofkongs (1)
Leethoof: Snike (1)
Rediamond: UncleSam (1)
Kaxtar: TalkingLion (1)
Crux: zorbees (1)
TalkingLion: Paperblade (1)

This votecount does not include any mayor votes etc. that may or may not exist.
All of Steven Snype's voters have transferred to Snike since the latter has subbed in for the former.
Also from now on, everyone please edit out your most previous lynch vote when you cast another, it is easier to determine votecounts that way.

Hi both hosts that happen to be online and viewing the thread. Is the vote command going to be changed? Also, will we be getting a votecount eventually? ~_~
If everyone wants it to be like that, I will change the way lynches are cast. Not just two people!
 

Yeti

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i would like the vote command changed, this will make it easier for me and my scumbuddies billymills, zorbees, and blue tornado to lynch unclesam for tl;dring and making our running this village difficult.
 
Ok fine since you're all going to bandwagon me...

FROM NOW ON, ONLY VOTES THAT ARE LIKE THIS:

@@Vote <USER>@@

WILL COUNT

If you've already cast a vote you do not have to go change it to this format, but all future votes must use this format from now on or they will not count.

EDIT: Fixed B_T
 

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