Ok I have some catching up to do...
Brammi said:
That isn't strictly true. When someone is the point of conjecture it is important to build pressure. Your points had already been made and I gave reasons as to why his play has been substandard and possibly scummy if he is smart enough to construct any parts of what I commented on.
There is little reason not to jump on a bandwagon at the early parts of the game. Also your advice of rehashing is probably not the best advice. Better would be to say that if someone wants to use your points to tell them to quote you and pull apart why they agree with you. All you're asking for is that is they say they agree with you, only in a more time consuming way.
We are not anywhere near lynch, days go through momentum shifts if you give them time, getting someone to L-1 is actually not a bad thing provided there aren't idiots that come along and do something stupid. There is no time limit on the day, if we play smart I doubt we will be nearing a lynch until at least a week from now provided everyone stays active.
So basically US, I don't see what is wrong with my entrance to the wagon, it's not like I just flopped on as you are implying.
I should have phrased this better...if people agree with me, I want them to rehash what EXACTLY I said that convinced them. Basically, I want them to have to have an actual opinion to defend later on rather than just saying "hey man idk I was just following UncleSam".
And while you did give a slight amount of reasoning, I found your vote immediately after mine a little band-wagonish. It was like you were waiting for the most vocal villager to announce his first concrete suspicion then piled on in the hopes that it would go somewhere.
Blue_Tornado said:
Sam's #41:
Nice suspicions list. How am I jumpy? Why is my post read as 'leaping up to defend billymills' and not 'noting something I think is suspicious'? You need to explain these points.
Also, no, posting every opinion you have on every player is not advisable as it only makes posts less focused/harder to read and slows town down. The only thing town is interested in is your scum reads and your explanation for them. Giving lists of who you think is most townie only gives scum a better pool of 'these players will probably not get lynched' to NK from.
Yeti's #42:
I might have read that wrong, but... Sam is town because he's putting himself out in the open? This is bad because 1) good scum are active scum that try to act townie early on and 2) Sam isn't even the only one to do this. Why him?
Sam's #48, regarding the announcer:
No, and I agree fully with PBlade in that this is rolefishing. There is nothing good in analyzing a "confirmed town" this early in the game. There IS good in analyzing him AFTER he's had interactions with scum who do NOT know he's the confirmed announcer. Pubclaiming now would ruin this potential. Also, you noted yourself that the guy won't be 100% town. What's the point in this pursuing to pubclaim, then? Other than pure rolefishing, that is.
Oh, and if you want less people to skim your posts, try making them a bit less wordy, eh?
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If your post isn't mentioned, I found nothing overly wrong with it.
Too many of you are posting :words: which get us nowhere. I've already said this itp but I'll repeat:
Only post your suspicions / scum reads, and anything else that is highly relevant. Other things will likely be :noise: than anything else and will slow us down / clutter the thread.
Staying with my UncleSam vote for now. I can definitely read his rather crooked logic having scum motivation behind it, and I don't quite get what he's voting Snype for at all. He's hypocritical and has dismissed his earlier posts, therefore scum? Why are weirdguy PBlade and bandwagon Brammi not your vote?
FoS zorbees
You definitely had time to post an opinion or two. Why are you keeping your hands clean?
You are jumpy because you posted like five times in the span of thirty minutes when the discussion got going and as soon as I called you out on it you just started getting incredibly defensive (which you are still doing). Your defense here is basically "I'm not jumpy no I'm really REALLY not UncleSam has crooked logic vote him".
And for the LAST FUCKING TIME, I called out to the announcer to get discussion going. Literally everything I have said in this thread has been to stir the pot and get discussion going, and the only thing I could think of that we had hard evidence of at the very beginning of the game was the existence of an announcer, who as far as I am concerned is just a vanilla villager who could help stir the pot on Day 1. I have already explained multiple times why him stepping up would've been a good idea, but quite frankly at this point I think that is incredibly unlikely to happen AND I think that we have a good enough discussion going that we don't really need much to stir the pot at the moment. Maybe we will need more to talk about in a few days, I really can't say.
And if you are going to say I have "crooked logic" and that you think I am mafia or whatever the fuck you are saying, please explain what makes my logic faulty AND explain how the manner in which I am playing is detrimental to the town. Because right now I am the one driving the discussion while all you (and Paperblade and Brammi) are doing is focusing on one person and spouting random generalities about crookedness while completely ignoring everyone else in the thread (seriously, you found NO other posts in the thread of note other than mine? You expect me to believe that?).
Oh right then you say you don't get why I am voting for Snype despite the fact that I explained it quite clearly over a number of posts and Snype has not so much as responded or contributed to the thread at all (and recently got conveniently subbed out). If my posts were the only ones you found of note, surely you didn't skip over the parts about Snype right?
Oh wait that's exactly what you did. Same goes for someone else I can think of that is randomly accusing me of "role fishing" and completely ignoring everyone else in this thread.
Paperblade said:
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snype stuff
sure okay
oh glad to see you put thought into that.
Other random posts that stuck out like sore thumbs to me:
Ditto said:
Not entirely sure if this is correct, but yeah.
Cycle 0
24 (Players) - 5 (Mafia) - 1(Wolf) = 18 (Villagers)
18 - 1 (Mislynch) = 17 (Villagers)
Cycle 1
17 - 1 (Mafia Kill) - 1 (Wolf Kill) = 15 (Villagers)
15 - 1 (Mislynch) = 14 (Villagers)
Cycle 2
14 - 1 (Mafia Kill) - 1 (Wolf Kill) = 12 (Villagers)
12 - 1 (Mislynch) = 11 (Villagers)
Cycle 3
11 - 1 (Mafia Kill) - 1 (Wolf Kill) = 9 (Villagers)
9 - 1 (Mislynch) = 8 (Villagers)
Cycle 4
8 - 1 (Mafia Kill) - 1 (Wolf Kill) = 6 (Villagers)
GAME OVER
This is of course assuming no vigilante or crossfire and that we mislynch. I doubt that there is a wolf, so I guess there could easily be 5 and possibly 6 mafia by themselves, but definitely not with a wolf. That's my main reasoning.
This is all Ditto has contributed thus far...telling us that if we mislynch for the first four cycles and the mafia/wolf never crossfire then we will have the same number of men as there are combined wolf/mafia by day 5. Then saying he doubts there is a wolf with no reasoning whatsoever. Then saying there could possibly be 6 mafia.
I'd really like to know where all this speculation is coming from and why Ditto is not contributing to discussion at all.
MK Ultra said:
I've probably missed the point, but how likely is it that we mislynch every cycle ?_?
Also, a question to Sammy and Brammi: does NOC always have to be played super srs bsns? Not to call you out or doubt your omnipotence or anything, just a question :)
And I don't think anyone has made themselves look like mafia yet. 24 person village anyone?
This is possibly the most useless post made yet this game (apart from random trolls), and implicitly defends Snype without actually going on the offensive against those accusing him or shifting the blame to anyone else. Then he says something random about a 24 person village likes he wants to hold hands and sing kumbaya.
Smogon mafia in general is treated seriously, and when we have anything at all to go on I think it is obviously in the best interests of the village to analyze it carefully. I am aware that I trolled quite a bit early on, but that was because I was (ONCE AGAIN NOTE THIS BT) trying to stir the pot and get discussion going and we had pretty much nothing to go on at that point.
Yeti said:
clearly, obviously, absolutely positively, he is mafia, and knows that the announcer is not on his team.
this is the only way he could be so certain, unless he is twins, with the announcer, as a villagemember.
but he is probably scum, like crux, who is a scumcrux without a doubt.
also i asked ditto his thoughts on the setup, he replied, settle down sons.
Just wanted to note that Yeti is buddying Ditto in this post.
Leethoof said:
Hello. If you guys cannot decide by the deadline of day 1, you can always lynch me and get another day to discuss. Because this is my first NOC, my scum-detector is not very-well tuned.
However, I have to agree on Steven Snype jumping back and forth, because it is weird. All of this discussion is a litte confusing :S.
I am seriously confused by this post on so many levels.
Are you saying we should lynch you because you are inexperienced and won't be of much help? I have literally never heard anyone (villager or mafia) say that before, experienced or inexperienced.
Then you just say that Steven Snype is "jumping back and forth" when in reality he hasn't been jumping at all because he hasn't been posting...he just made one odd post N0 then tried to pass it off as "lol jk" before disappearing and getting subbed.
Quite frankly if I didn't want to keep the pressure on Snike so that he will actually respond to this discussion I would change my vote to you. Consider this a warm welcome to answer for exactly what you meant in that post AND to provide a little insight on some of the other players in this game.