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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 5 - Sandstorm (Excadrill/Thundurus Banned)
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I seriously doubt a 100 BP move will OHKO any OU Fighting type not named Infernape.
Since Landorus' hammer arm won't OHKO scrafty I doubt ttar's quake will. Specially defensive and choice tar are the most viable sets, everything else isn't too effective.
Anyone else been giving Reuniclus a go? It's really one of the best new gen 5 threats especially since there are very few direct counters to it (pretty much just Scizor / SpD rachi and uncommon stuff like Escavilier and Heracross). Trick room will also beat pretty much everything after spikes damage. It also gives you an extreme advantage against all stall teams because of magic guard. Even stuff like Quagsire can't really beat you because you will eventually crit / SpD drop them if they try and PP stall you.
Anyone else been giving Reuniclus a go? It's really one of the best new gen 5 threats especially since there are very few direct counters to it (pretty much just Scizor / SpD rachi and uncommon stuff like Escavilier and Heracross). Trick room will also beat pretty much everything after spikes damage. It also gives you an extreme advantage against all stall teams because of magic guard. Even stuff like Quagsire can't really beat you because you will eventually crit / SpD drop them if they try and PP stall you.
Terakion and Toxicroak. Just a nitpick :P
EDIT: I just did a calc. Terakion survives your EQ, lol! Toxicroak survives as long as it has 240 HP and 16 Def, which isn't weird at all, given that it typically runs a Bulk Up set.
But then Scrafty, Machamp, Conkeldurr, Virizion, Breloom, and even Mienshao come to rape you.
Of course, I'm assuming the TTar lacks LO and is Jolly?
You forgot mixed. Literally, like, every single Tyranitar on the ladder is mixed (at least, when the ladder was up, anyway).
Actually CB and to a lesser extent Scarftar are fairly common now. Oh and the ladder's back up.
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I haven't checked since this morning, lol.
From my experience, CB Tar declined after everyone stopped panicking about Reuniclus. I haven't seen many since then. ScarfTar, IMO, has become more common due to T-rus. Everyone saw that it got a simple majority, and it suddenly became worth preparing for. It's what I call "The Suspect Effect". People will be ready for you if you become famous, so to speak. That's prolly common knowledge, but w/e.
I'm actually starting to belive that Rotom-W might be suspect...
Why?
Stat Distribution:
50/65/107/105/107/86
This allows Rotom-W a massive amount fo flexibility to fill different roles. You can tell this just from looking at viable items:
Choice Scarf
Choice Specs
Life Orb
Leftovers
Rotom-W hits like... well, a household appliance being thrown at your head, and has rather impressive bulk, especially with HP investment [Or Defense Investment and Pain Split]
Typing and Ability:A MASSIVE contributor to Rotom-W's potential suspect status. Let's look at it this way. Water/Electric [With Levitate] give the following benifits:
ONE x2 weakness.
STAB Hydro Pump, which is brilliant in the current metagame, filled with Ground/Rock types, and Rain.
STAB Electric attacks, which is brilliant in a metagame filled with Water types... and Rain again.
Resistances to common attacking types: Fire, Ice, Water, Ground [Immunity] and Flying [Somewhat useful]
Movepool:
Viable moves that Rotom-W can use:
Discharge
Thunderbolt
Thunder
Charge Beam
Substitute
Volt Switch
Thunder Wave
Hydro Pump
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
Trick
Rest
Sleep Talk
Snatch [Should get more love..]
Reflect
Light Screen
Confuse Ray
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Coverage Moves:
Hex
Shadow Ball
Dark Pulse
Signal Beam
Hidden Power
That's a massive and diverse movepool.
You switch in expecting a Volt Switch Rotom, and it throws up a Subtitute.
You see Lefties.
So you expect SubCharge after that? Nope, Rotom-W hits you with a Hydro Pump or Thunder, or even Status on your switch-in to that set.
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Expect SubCharge next game? Then your Subcharge check gets blasted away by a Specs Hydro Pump.
Switch Tyranitar in to change the weather and stop Rain-Boosted Hydro Pumps and 100% accurate Thunders? Cry as Rotom-W Volt Switches to Politoad, ridding you of your sand, or as Rotom-W Will-O-Wisps.
About the only checks to Rotom-W are Grass-types, as they resist both STABS, and are it's one weakness.
However, Grass is a terrible attacking type, and if a Rain Team dosen't have a team member somewhere that can take on Ferrothorn/Virizion/Breloom, such as MultiScale Dragonite, Tornadus, or Thunderus, then it DESERVES to lose.
Then there's Rotom-W + Scizor. They resist each other's only weakness, both have a significant amount of power [Especially with Choice Items], both can heal [Roost and Pain Split] and can interchange with Volt Switch and U-Turn all day long, while hazards and the damage they put out whittles your team away.
And don't think about stopping Rotom-W's Volt Switches with a Ground type, as you'll eat a Hydro Pump.
I'll need to do some calcs later, but I don't have the time.
However, I feel that Rotom-W should be brought up to the plate to be discussed, as Im personally finding it as large a thorn as Thunderus, if not larger, especially on Rain teams.
Why?
Stat Distribution:
50/65/107/105/107/86
This allows Rotom-W a massive amount fo flexibility to fill different roles. You can tell this just from looking at viable items:
Choice Scarf
Choice Specs
Life Orb
Leftovers
Rotom-W hits like... well, a household appliance being thrown at your head, and has rather impressive bulk, especially with HP investment [Or Defense Investment and Pain Split]
Typing and Ability:A MASSIVE contributor to Rotom-W's potential suspect status. Let's look at it this way. Water/Electric [With Levitate] give the following benifits:
ONE x2 weakness.
STAB Hydro Pump, which is brilliant in the current metagame, filled with Ground/Rock types, and Rain.
STAB Electric attacks, which is brilliant in a metagame filled with Water types... and Rain again.
Resistances to common attacking types: Fire, Ice, Water, Ground [Immunity] and Flying [Somewhat useful]
Movepool:
Viable moves that Rotom-W can use:
Discharge
Thunderbolt
Thunder
Charge Beam
Substitute
Volt Switch
Thunder Wave
Hydro Pump
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
Trick
Rest
Sleep Talk
Snatch [Should get more love..]
Reflect
Light Screen
Confuse Ray
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Coverage Moves:
Hex
Shadow Ball
Dark Pulse
Signal Beam
Hidden Power
That's a massive and diverse movepool.
You switch in expecting a Volt Switch Rotom, and it throws up a Subtitute.
You see Lefties.
So you expect SubCharge after that? Nope, Rotom-W hits you with a Hydro Pump or Thunder, or even Status on your switch-in to that set.
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Expect SubCharge next game? Then your Subcharge check gets blasted away by a Specs Hydro Pump.
Switch Tyranitar in to change the weather and stop Rain-Boosted Hydro Pumps and 100% accurate Thunders? Cry as Rotom-W Volt Switches to Politoad, ridding you of your sand, or as Rotom-W Will-O-Wisps.
About the only checks to Rotom-W are Grass-types, as they resist both STABS, and are it's one weakness.
However, Grass is a terrible attacking type, and if a Rain Team dosen't have a team member somewhere that can take on Ferrothorn/Virizion/Breloom, such as MultiScale Dragonite, Tornadus, or Thunderus, then it DESERVES to lose.
Then there's Rotom-W + Scizor. They resist each other's only weakness, both have a significant amount of power [Especially with Choice Items], both can heal [Roost and Pain Split] and can interchange with Volt Switch and U-Turn all day long, while hazards and the damage they put out whittles your team away.
And don't think about stopping Rotom-W's Volt Switches with a Ground type, as you'll eat a Hydro Pump.
I'll need to do some calcs later, but I don't have the time.
However, I feel that Rotom-W should be brought up to the plate to be discussed, as Im personally finding it as large a thorn as Thunderus, if not larger, especially on Rain teams.
Send in a Latias or Celebi, douchebag.
Someone ban JTSwift's alternate account.
Someone ban JTSwift's alternate account.
Rotom-W is as suspect as DPPt Scizor. Or BW Scizor.
Seriously, can't we have a good pokémon for once without people wanting its head on a platter...
Seriously, can't we have a good pokémon for once without people wanting its head on a platter...
I agree completely.
This combo may be every single team ive seen for the past week of battling for me but thats why you run something hilarious like Mirror Coat Swampert to take advantage of it. Getting SR up is often enough to deal with those two bastards as well. Or Celebi/Shaymin with HP Fire in particular is a non gimmicky way to hard counter the pair, unless its scarf scizor. In that case Blissey can wall both of them, and Chansey can actually take a banded superpower at full health so its a big pain to them. Dealing with bulky Gastrodon isn't fun either. Also, decent prediction can make the pair near useless in some cases.
I meant mixed when I said specially defensive ttar because most mixed run sassy 252 / 76 or something. It's generally more effective to run careful 252 / 252 imo so you can switch into any common Latios move and avoid the 2HKO and eliminate it without having to sac or risk anything.
Scizor is one of the easiest to lure out especially if you have Mew or expert belt Latios or something that Scizor thinks it can u-turn. Scizor is also grounded and is generally easy "predict" and hit with a focus blast if it hits. Rotom + Scizor combo isn't that big of a deal. If you run hp fire Celebi they are screwed. You can also try hp fire Lati@s. Anything that resists water electric and carries a fire move or is a special attacker with hidden power fire. Gastrodon also stops that combo with ease as does Quagsire. It's also alot easier because people just settle with only using 112-144 Hp on their Rotom and try to speed creep around the mid 200s range. There are alot more deadly combos like double genies if you rely on slow defensive counters to them.
I also gave DD Haxorus a go as a joke with Zone and it was pretty awesome actually. You only need dragon fighting coverage really with outrage / claw / brick break and it actually rips stuff apart with ease. Lum berry lets it set up on Rotom and avoid priority t-wave and other random status.
Scizor is one of the easiest to lure out especially if you have Mew or expert belt Latios or something that Scizor thinks it can u-turn. Scizor is also grounded and is generally easy "predict" and hit with a focus blast if it hits. Rotom + Scizor combo isn't that big of a deal. If you run hp fire Celebi they are screwed. You can also try hp fire Lati@s. Anything that resists water electric and carries a fire move or is a special attacker with hidden power fire. Gastrodon also stops that combo with ease as does Quagsire. It's also alot easier because people just settle with only using 112-144 Hp on their Rotom and try to speed creep around the mid 200s range. There are alot more deadly combos like double genies if you rely on slow defensive counters to them.
I also gave DD Haxorus a go as a joke with Zone and it was pretty awesome actually. You only need dragon fighting coverage really with outrage / claw / brick break and it actually rips stuff apart with ease. Lum berry lets it set up on Rotom and avoid priority t-wave and other random status.
Yes, it is. All of the dates in the OP will be moved back exactly seven days, meaning the period will now end on July 20th.
I was playing dd haxorus in the beginning and I was really amazed with it
I loved setting up on breloom switch ins with a lum berry
Honestly lo and lefties just don't cut it
That was even back when scarf chomp was running rampant
So now I can't imagine how awesome it is
Though it wrecks a lot of things
I preferred to run dd outrage earthquake and dragon tail for skarms
Earthquake 2hkoes ferrothorn which is ok since it usually switches in on an outrage and dies from the quake
Balloon tran could cause problems though
I loved setting up on breloom switch ins with a lum berry
Honestly lo and lefties just don't cut it
That was even back when scarf chomp was running rampant
So now I can't imagine how awesome it is
Though it wrecks a lot of things
I preferred to run dd outrage earthquake and dragon tail for skarms
Earthquake 2hkoes ferrothorn which is ok since it usually switches in on an outrage and dies from the quake
Balloon tran could cause problems though
Psychic types = Win
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Lets see:
Latias - Great bulky booster
Reuniclus - Badass TR set that can easily lure in Latias' counters and pwn them
Mew - Same as Reuniclus(minus the TR) + can cripple nearly any physical threat
Slowbro - Can also stop nearly any physical threat
Starmie - Do I really need to say anything?
Latios - LO set = pwnage
Celebi - Annoying, powerful(with NP), and can stop a lot of top threats
Psychic types are great, I wish I could run like 4 of them on the same team along with two Dark/Ghost resist*cough*Scrafty*cough*.
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Lets see:
Latias - Great bulky booster
Reuniclus - Badass TR set that can easily lure in Latias' counters and pwn them
Mew - Same as Reuniclus(minus the TR) + can cripple nearly any physical threat
Slowbro - Can also stop nearly any physical threat
Starmie - Do I really need to say anything?
Latios - LO set = pwnage
Celebi - Annoying, powerful(with NP), and can stop a lot of top threats
Psychic types are great, I wish I could run like 4 of them on the same team along with two Dark/Ghost resist*cough*Scrafty*cough*.
Latias - Dosen't like possible T-Wave, or Paralysis chance from Thunder/Discharge.
Celebi - I already said Grass types beat it, but, oh Volt Switch, and Scizor's in!
And, who's JTSwift?
Honestly, I bring something up for discussion, and instead of getting intelligent responses, I get my head bitten off.
Either way, I can tell when to stop. Just that Rotom-W + Scizor is annoying as anything right now, difficult to stop [Suggesting Mirror Coat Swampert? Seriously?], and Rotom-W by itself is a complete monster on Rain Teams.
Honestly, I come here to read some intelligent discussions, and instead of getting this, I get people who want to ban anything that can bring them trouble.
Once scizor comes in celebi can just hp fire it. Also latias can run sub to avoid status from rotom.
1) Scrafty shares a Bug weakness with them.
2) That's just because they're awesome. You imply that it is due in part to their Psychic-typing, which is not the case. They're amazing in spite of it, not because of it.
@Raikaria: Volt Switch cannot be used as an argument for it being broken. That's a teammate eliminating counters.
Ex) I have a Scizor out. You bring in Gyarados. I U-Turn away to my Starmie and threaten a T-Bolt. Therefore, my Scizor defeated a Gyarados, right? No, just no.
Also, it doesn't matter if its counters "don't like" paralysis. +2 Sawsbuck doesn't like a Jellicent's Scald burn. But it'll still smash Jellicent into the ground with Horn Leech. They still counter it regardless.
1. He's neutral.(Someone already said it)
2.I just said that they're psychic types that are awesome. Psychic typing is almost completely out-classed by Ghost typing.
o right half fighting
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Has anyone else been DC'ing a lot today?
I've tried ~20 battles on my alt and I've DC'ed almost every damn time. I've sat right next to my Wifi modem box thing. I've tried 4 different internet connections, including my own, my neighbors' and a nearby cafes'. I checked for a virus or a PO bug, and my computer said there were none.
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Maybe I just read that weird. Hmm, idk.
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Well, since I can see team preview, but not actually finish a battle, I must say that out of my attempted battles, I only saw a couple Scizor-Rotom combos. I used to see them everywhere, but maybe I was just on at a weird time of day or playing strange people or something today.
I have been, however, seeing Haxorus everywhere.
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