SubSalac+Flail Pinsir.
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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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SubSalac+Flail Pinsir.
It probably plays differently enough (+2 boost to speed instead of +1) that it's worth trying out. Why not?
Too much priority in the teir for this to be effective, IMO. Medicham and Skuntank alone, being commonly used pokemon are enough reason to not run SubSalac in NU, and with the high attacking stats, you can't expect your Sub to actually take a hit.
Unless you're running + Speed, + Speed Scarf Magmortar will revenge kill you. I don't know how many +Speed Scarfmortars are around, but the fact that Scarf Maggies are common might push a few to run +Speed.
So now we can use Magneton, Espeon, Miltank, Typhlosion and Gardevoir...
Espeon will be so broken here... Skuntank will be a need on almost any team now(and Espeon can get the hell out of Pursuits with Baton Pass...)
Typhlosion will be a "crappier" Charizard, but with Eruption.
Dunno about the others.
Espeon will be so broken here... Skuntank will be a need on almost any team now(and Espeon can get the hell out of Pursuits with Baton Pass...)
Typhlosion will be a "crappier" Charizard, but with Eruption.
Dunno about the others.
Magneton, Electrode, Gardevoir and Typhlosion have all been NU before anyway.
But the Leafeon, Nidoqueen, etc. leaving is also a huge change.
But the Leafeon, Nidoqueen, etc. leaving is also a huge change.
Oh yeah, Leafeon... now it's basically only Meganium(and some Bellossom here and there) as a bulky pure grass type.
DD Whiscash now is even better.
Espeon will be a force to be reckoned, or will be nothing special in your opinion?
I guess there's Vileplume too.
Unfortunately Grass/Poison type. However I remember using Vileplume in old UU and she was really good.
Espeon, Typhlosion, Electrode for offensive RD teams... offence right now totally will dominate NU as even semi-stall teams without Cloyster/Qwilfish are now as good as dead. In Ubers it's still possible to play in defensive way - in NU I just don't see it. I never expected seeing more offensive tier then Ubers (I don't count Little Cup, I meant only 100 level tiers). Oh well, everything is possible I guess :).
Vileplume is part poison, not pure grass type. I guess it can take a DD Earthquake from Whiscash though, and most if not all Vileplumes are bulky ones
Anyways, Espeon will be so damn good(i think it will be broken) it's not even funny. Third fastest poke in the tier, with the highest special attack. ouch.
IME (on wifi mind you)... NU isn't like that at all. People are actually... creative. They want to beat you with the most embarrasing/their favorite pokes.
JME though... it doesnt seem like shoddy ou where its WIN WIN WIN!! with the same pokes on every team
my lead actually beats electrode 1v1 unless i get min damage 2x in a row
JME though... it doesnt seem like shoddy ou where its WIN WIN WIN!! with the same pokes on every team
my lead actually beats electrode 1v1 unless i get min damage 2x in a row
I like the sound of that LOL.
1: I do not see how Espeon is required on every team
2: Floatzel is no longer the fastest lead... but it's still fastest Taunt user!
3: Electrode might see use outside of the lead position. In fact, due to few effective Rain Dance abusers, Electrode might see a similar use to Jolteon in OU. A Specs Revenge killer.
4: Typhosion would be a superior Entei. It plays a different role to Mag/Charizard. And, if it's inferior, why did it take longer to drop?
5: People could use Ninetails.
This means I'll be taking a break until the ladder is updated.
As for Semi-Stall, Gardevoir has returned, and Militank is here. Milktank is basically our Skarmory. Despite our high number of fighting types, Milkitank has digh defence, high HP, lack of weaknesses, and Milk Drink, reliable recovery.
That's just my quick overveiw. Expect more in-depth later.
2: Floatzel is no longer the fastest lead... but it's still fastest Taunt user!
3: Electrode might see use outside of the lead position. In fact, due to few effective Rain Dance abusers, Electrode might see a similar use to Jolteon in OU. A Specs Revenge killer.
4: Typhosion would be a superior Entei. It plays a different role to Mag/Charizard. And, if it's inferior, why did it take longer to drop?
5: People could use Ninetails.
This means I'll be taking a break until the ladder is updated.
As for Semi-Stall, Gardevoir has returned, and Militank is here. Milktank is basically our Skarmory. Despite our high number of fighting types, Milkitank has digh defence, high HP, lack of weaknesses, and Milk Drink, reliable recovery.
That's just my quick overveiw. Expect more in-depth later.
Hehe, I might do some wifi battles with NU now =). I didn't have a lot of NU pokes but now with the tier changes I'll have 4/5 more pokes to use XD. =D
I liked using typhlosion in UU so I guess it'll be on my team in NU. It also doesn't have the 4x weakess to stealth rock that Charizard has.
I liked using typhlosion in UU so I guess it'll be on my team in NU. It also doesn't have the 4x weakess to stealth rock that Charizard has.
Electrode may get Taunt, but it's use if it's a Taunt lead-minus Rain Dance is somewhat limitied. Especially seeing as Gligar is a popular lead, and Electrode would have to explode, or use HP Ice, to take it out.
I don't know an awful lot about Electrode, because I've not played UU. Still, I'm more worried about Specs Electrode, considering it's the fastest thing in the teir by far now.
Although... it does mess up my Floatzel lead to some degree.
I don't know an awful lot about Electrode, because I've not played UU. Still, I'm more worried about Specs Electrode, considering it's the fastest thing in the teir by far now.
Although... it does mess up my Floatzel lead to some degree.
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