And yet, Typhlosion (and other scarf Fire types) with HP Grass or Thunderbolt (common) can just switch back in after you kill something / your opponent sacs a low health Pokemon, outspeed, and KO Relicanth. The tactic does not work as well as you would think.
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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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And yet, Typhlosion (and other scarf Fire types) with HP Grass or Thunderbolt (common) can just switch back in after you kill something / your opponent sacs a low health Pokemon, outspeed, and KO Relicanth. The tactic does not work as well as you would think.
People have been using this since Charizard went NU. Flare Blitz + LO together is much too much recoil and simply redundant. Leftovers or Fire Punch are the best choices.
so what is the verdict on espeon? is it "OMG IT SWEEPS NU" still or have people gotten over it.
Only faced one and it wasn't handled greatly. switched in after a kill and I knew letting it set up would be the death of me so I just attacked instead of switchign even though i was at a type disadvantage. It then killed me but it was easily pursuit trapped afterwards.
Only faced one and it wasn't handled greatly. switched in after a kill and I knew letting it set up would be the death of me so I just attacked instead of switchign even though i was at a type disadvantage. It then killed me but it was easily pursuit trapped afterwards.
Lumin is sad nobody mentionned Dunsparce. Its ability to provide an infinite number of cool points is inestimable. Not even Munchlax can beat it that way.
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No seriously you may hate me if I say that but even with a poor attack stat and a mediocre "flinch" movepool, flinchax is always frustrating. I don't play a lot in NU though, but the few battles I had with it were always great to do. The cool factor with NU is that you can finally play with cool-but-sadly-weak pokes. Dunsparce, Munchlax and Masquerain, I love you all.
No seriously you may hate me if I say that but even with a poor attack stat and a mediocre "flinch" movepool, flinchax is always frustrating. I don't play a lot in NU though, but the few battles I had with it were always great to do. The cool factor with NU is that you can finally play with cool-but-sadly-weak pokes. Dunsparce, Munchlax and Masquerain, I love you all.
Actually, he does thanks to HGSS. But I think Thunder Wave or even Glare would be better options, since his 45 base Speed is just too low.
But I haven't tested AgiliSparce yet, so perhaps it could work in NU-only.
Thankfully, he's in the Ground Egg group aswell, so he can breed with Smeargle and get any Egg move he wants. So Headbutt and Bite are still usable with Agility. Hm, I want to test him out now..
What would an Agility Dunsparce set look like anyway? Agility / Headbutt / Rock Slide / Bite with max Attack / Speed Adamant? Seems viable enough on paper with the lack of Steels in the tier (though could be remedied with Diglett support I guess) and the fact that 45 speed is just enough to outpace any non-scarfer with a neutral nature. Bite would KO most Kadabra whilst Rock Slide would at the very least 2HKO Golbat, Glalie, Venomoth and Sneasel. 100 / 70 physical defense is also fairly decent by NU standards for taking priority, although Sucker Punch and Mach Punch will still sting quite a bit.
Dunsparce is actually a very versatile Pokémon when I'm looking at its moves.
I mean, he gets Curse, Calm Mind and Charge Beam for stat-upping, Roost for an excellent healing move, even Stealth Rock for hazards, and then you have your fair share of status moves in Toxic, Thunder Wave, Yawn and Glare.
Also an excellent special movepool to abuse, but his stats aren't really that good.
The Agility Dunsparce could probably also use Zen Headbutt to take on those pesky fighters, but then you have to give up Bite or Rock Slide...
Too bad those stats are so meh for such a cool concept.
I mean, he gets Curse, Calm Mind and Charge Beam for stat-upping, Roost for an excellent healing move, even Stealth Rock for hazards, and then you have your fair share of status moves in Toxic, Thunder Wave, Yawn and Glare.
Also an excellent special movepool to abuse, but his stats aren't really that good.
The Agility Dunsparce could probably also use Zen Headbutt to take on those pesky fighters, but then you have to give up Bite or Rock Slide...
Too bad those stats are so meh for such a cool concept.
Or just distribute Hyper Voice to more pokemon that can use it besides Wigglytuff, Chatot, and Exploud? That would be nice.
Sereouly though, people should really give more attention to Seviper. Many people look at it as a generic poison type, so they are surprised when you pull out a special attack. Or EQ. Or Switcharoo. Or really anything, it's one of the greatest surprises in NU.
Sereouly though, people should really give more attention to Seviper. Many people look at it as a generic poison type, so they are surprised when you pull out a special attack. Or EQ. Or Switcharoo. Or really anything, it's one of the greatest surprises in NU.
I agree with seviper. I've been using a trick room team in NU with seviper and it has been a nasty wall breaker.
Hey guys I'm back! (If you don't remember me check the first post of this thread lol)
Anyway, call me nuts but the one thing that has been annoying me about Electrode is its ability - Static. I might just be unlucky, but Static has consistently crippled my Pokemon D:
Anyway, call me nuts but the one thing that has been annoying me about Electrode is its ability - Static. I might just be unlucky, but Static has consistently crippled my Pokemon D:
I've been playing around a bit and the NU metagame is quite fun! (reminds me of how a certain other metagame used to be *coughcough*)
I think one underrated Pokemon has been Curse Lickylicky. It's been incredibly effective and singlehandedly won many matches for me. While on paper, it looks like Miltank outclasses it, superior special defense makes it nearly impregnable late game. It stalls like a beast: it's beaten two Walrein under hail on the ladder and usually beats other Cursers one on one. I'm sort of at a loss to explain other reasons, lol, but the bottom line is that it's awesome. Many players also make the mistake of running Milk Drink on their Cursing Miltank. When people see a Curser, they generally tend to send out their sturdiest user of Toxic. With Lickylicky, I can just use Rest and rid myself of that problem. I saw one person using Return / Heal Bell / Milk Drink / Curse, but you lose coverage against Dusclops and steels.
tl;dr: It's the NU equivalent of Snorlax and pretty gamebreaking.
I think one underrated Pokemon has been Curse Lickylicky. It's been incredibly effective and singlehandedly won many matches for me. While on paper, it looks like Miltank outclasses it, superior special defense makes it nearly impregnable late game. It stalls like a beast: it's beaten two Walrein under hail on the ladder and usually beats other Cursers one on one. I'm sort of at a loss to explain other reasons, lol, but the bottom line is that it's awesome. Many players also make the mistake of running Milk Drink on their Cursing Miltank. When people see a Curser, they generally tend to send out their sturdiest user of Toxic. With Lickylicky, I can just use Rest and rid myself of that problem. I saw one person using Return / Heal Bell / Milk Drink / Curse, but you lose coverage against Dusclops and steels.
tl;dr: It's the NU equivalent of Snorlax and pretty gamebreaking.
I think that Curse Lickilicky has some competition with Curse Muk(who's immune to... Toxic... and some Tricks here and there), but speaking of NU, Lickilicky is the better one.
Yeah, before Miltank dropped down, I always wondered why the Curse set wasn't more popular on Lickilicky. It's probably overall a better Curser than Miltank, though Miltank does still have some points in it's favor(such as either getting to hit Ghosts or getting to have some awesome resistances to Fire and Ice, as well as an instant heal). But of course then Miltank drops and everyone starts using its Curse set lol.
Though it makes you wonder, if so many people consider Miltank to be broken and if his most dangerous set is the Curser, then where does that leave Lickilicky who can possibly be a better Curser..
Though it makes you wonder, if so many people consider Miltank to be broken and if his most dangerous set is the Curser, then where does that leave Lickilicky who can possibly be a better Curser..
Curse Muk has a bit of a problem with coverage that prevents it from being as good as a staller as Lickylicky. I run Body Slam / Aqua Tail, which is unresisted except for Shedinja, and Body Slam is a nice form of status. If Muk runs STAB / Curse / Rest, you have a choice of Shadow Sneak, which allows Steels like Aggron to wall you (which are admittedly rare) or Fire Punch, which allows Pokemon like Espeon to end a premature sweep. Muk does have some nice advantages, though, like immunity to Toxic and Trick, but imo not worth it.
EDIT;; @Luphrous: NU is still a relatively new metagame and changes drastically every few months. There's plenty of undiscovered potential, so I'm going to bank with that reasoning. If the proposed middle tier between UU and NU that will act as a ban list for NU ever comes into fruition, I'll bet that Lickylicky will eventually land itself on it.
EDIT;; @Luphrous: NU is still a relatively new metagame and changes drastically every few months. There's plenty of undiscovered potential, so I'm going to bank with that reasoning. If the proposed middle tier between UU and NU that will act as a ban list for NU ever comes into fruition, I'll bet that Lickylicky will eventually land itself on it.
Curse Miltank is definitely one of the biggest threats in NU right now. The reason it beats out Liickiliicky is because of its base speed before Cursing and the ability to hit Ghosts with Scrappy. It also has a higher base attack.
And AoK, Luphrous is one of the premier NU players, so he understands how the tier works xD
And AoK, Luphrous is one of the premier NU players, so he understands how the tier works xD
ok so i feel really stupid for forgetting about scrappy above so strike the part about "it loses coverage against dusclops" lol
Um, it actually doesn't. Licky has base 85 attack, while Miltank has base 80.
And...how did I suggest otherwise? I just simply stated a possible reason why people don't use it. o_O
Um, it actually doesn't. Licky has base 85 attack, while Miltank has base 80.
And...how did I suggest otherwise? I just simply stated a possible reason why people don't use it. o_O
Who would you guys recommend for mid-game Rain Dance support? Ampharos and Miltank seem to be the best. I'm considering Parasect and Regigigas, though.
I've always been a bit puzzled by Smogon's insistence to use Soundproof.
The UU tier is too dynamic.
That's WRONG! WROOOOOOOONG! /Luthor.
Because they're used to ingame where all non-wild Voltorbs are soundproof? :P
Also, my team has been kicking but and taking names. LeadPilo/BandViper/Specszard/Scarfcham/SpWallLapras/PhWallSandslash FTW!
I use Articuno and mantine, and I tried out amphy a bit, but didnt like it too much. Didnt test out miltank though. How would regigigas work? I wonder
Electrode is a good Rain Dance lead - if you want something to set it up mid-game, Gardevoir is a very good option as it also has a really good support movepool - Healing Wish is especially useful on Rain Dance.
If I were to build Rain Dance I'd use Electrode/Gorebyss/Floatzel/Huntail or Relicanth/Gardevoir, with Rain Dance on Electrode, Gorebyss and Gardevoir.
I'm using a Scarf Primeape lead at the moment. It beats pretty much every lead in the tier - either they set up Rocks/inflict and die, they just die, they switch to something that takes enough damage from Close Combat that it has to heal itself on your switch, you U-Turn for a good matchup (yay, super-effective on Slowking) or you U-Turn, they get Rocks up, and you shred them with a wallbreaker like LO Medicham or LO Magmortar that nothing can switch in on.
One on one, it beats every common lead, with the exception of Sandslash, and it can revenge kill stuff in the late game.
It's also a counter to the horribly annoying Jumpluff.
If I were to build Rain Dance I'd use Electrode/Gorebyss/Floatzel/Huntail or Relicanth/Gardevoir, with Rain Dance on Electrode, Gorebyss and Gardevoir.
I'm using a Scarf Primeape lead at the moment. It beats pretty much every lead in the tier - either they set up Rocks/inflict and die, they just die, they switch to something that takes enough damage from Close Combat that it has to heal itself on your switch, you U-Turn for a good matchup (yay, super-effective on Slowking) or you U-Turn, they get Rocks up, and you shred them with a wallbreaker like LO Medicham or LO Magmortar that nothing can switch in on.
One on one, it beats every common lead, with the exception of Sandslash, and it can revenge kill stuff in the late game.
It's also a counter to the horribly annoying Jumpluff.
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