I'm definitely going to be using Gardevoir. Thanks!
Switch in, wall with 110 HP and defenses.
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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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I'm definitely going to be using Gardevoir. Thanks!
Yes I would assume walling would be the best approach. I dislike *stalling out* the 5 turns. It's just not worth it, and especially in a game like pokemon where switching is very common, I believe opting for a more defensive set is fine.
Impish
252 Hp / 152 Def/ 104 SpD (optimal defensive spread)
-Thunder Wave
-Knock Off
-Earthquake
-Return
Impish
252 Hp / 152 Def/ 104 SpD (optimal defensive spread)
-Thunder Wave
-Knock Off
-Earthquake
-Return
True, however Regigigas needs to fight for slot in teams against Munchlax (special walling and thank to Thick Fat Munchlax is better choice IMO) or Miltank (physical). Also Thick Fat and instant recovery in Milk Drink are huge advantages here for Miltank. So I think unfortunately Regigigas is outclassed by other normal-types (heck, if I remember correctly it doesn't have Rest) for defensive role and for offensive... outstalling 5 turns is a bit annoying. This shows how one ability may screw up completely one pokemon.
Regigigas is overall better at walling than Muchlax. Regigigas has 110/110/110 defensive stats, compared to Miltank's 95/105/70 and Muchlax's 135/30/85. (Regigigas has a higher 'special tankiness' rating than Munchlax according to X-Act's Applet). Statistically Regigigas is the best bulky Normal type in the tier, so if I were you I'd use him. D:
Untrue. Munchlax's 135/40/85 defenses are actually very good, especially when he can use Curse to boost up the poor Defense while also raising his respectable base 85 Attack. Also, Regigigas is really not that good at walling, because he cannot recover his health in any way besides Leftovers and Drain Punch. Drain Punch is barely even going to be recovering anything. Regigigas can't even Rest, meaning that if he gets Toxiced, he's dead weight.
I'm surprised nobody is using gabite. It's STAB outrage has neutral damage on almost everything and it has a decent attack and speed stat. I use scarf gabite and so far it's a decent revenge killer. I think you should try it out someday.
The problem with Scarfbite is that if it uses the wrong move, it quite simply dies. If it EQs, then the opponent gets a free turn with DD Charizard or (Oh dear god no not) Bellyzard. Outrage means that DD Lapras popps in basically for free (it can take a hit or two), while the other attacks are just asking for certain pokemon to say "Here I am! Let me kill you!"
To be honest I prefer to use specialised walls in either physical or special defense. And Munchlax has only sligtly worse special defense. And to be honest Regigigas doesn't have typing for mixed walling. Also Thick Fat is really great bonus in tier, which has many deadly fire types (Typhlosion, Magmortar, Charizard, Entei, etc.). Regigigas can't check them, Munchlax can. And this is huge difference. Also Munchlax has Pursuit to check ghost-types as Regigigas lacks movepool to check them effectively. And as I mentioned Regigigas doesn't even have Curse or Rest, which is another disadvantage.
I'd just like to say that Regigigas is almost broken in the NU metagame. It can really save you from losing the game, as all it needs to do is spread some paralysis, confuse its opponents, set up some Substitutes, and sweep. Sure it lacks recovery and has a horrible ability, but that doesn't mean it can't be useful. I use Regigigas on one of my best NU teams, and it constantly does a fantastic job at sweeping. The best set you can possible use, in my opinion, with Regigigas would be this:
Regigigas @ Leftovers
Ability: Slow Start
EVs: 252 HP/76 Def/180 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Thunder Wave
- Confuse Ray
- Substitute
- Return
I'm sure all of you will scream at me and say that this set is completely bait to Ghost-types. Yes, that's true. Substitute Haunter kills this set easily; however, it can't necessarily switch in safely, as it can be caught with Thunder Wave (or Confuse Ray then Thunder Wave if it hits itself). I'd say that Dusclops is the only surefire counter to this set. It can Rest off status ailments, is immune to Return, and can use Seismic Toss to bring down Regigigas. This is one of the reasons why I use Skuntank in conjunction with Regigigas because it can take out Ghost-types. Also, I use Vileplume to absorb Toxic Spikes, even though they aren't as common due to the departure of Cloyster.
The EV spread is what makes Regigigas such a top-notch threat to any team. With its amazing base 110 HP, 110 Def, and 110 SpD stats, Regigigas is ridiculously hard to OHKO. With this EV spread, Regigigas hits 424 HP, 302 Def, and 301 SpD, which is pretty awesome. This allows it to survive even Primeape's Close Combat and return with an OHKO with Return. This also lets Regigigas set up against weak attackers, such as Slowking, as they can't break Regigigas's Substitute. Even without any Attack investment, Regigigas's base 160 Attack stat is high enough to make it deal enough damage to sweep effectively (it can still score many OHKOes and 2HKOes once out of Slow Start).
Regigigas's hindering ability is accommodated by the parafusion combo, which works like a charm. I just can't stress it enough how insane Regigigas is. Once this beast sets up, good luck taking it down.
Regigigas @ Leftovers
Ability: Slow Start
EVs: 252 HP/76 Def/180 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Thunder Wave
- Confuse Ray
- Substitute
- Return
I'm sure all of you will scream at me and say that this set is completely bait to Ghost-types. Yes, that's true. Substitute Haunter kills this set easily; however, it can't necessarily switch in safely, as it can be caught with Thunder Wave (or Confuse Ray then Thunder Wave if it hits itself). I'd say that Dusclops is the only surefire counter to this set. It can Rest off status ailments, is immune to Return, and can use Seismic Toss to bring down Regigigas. This is one of the reasons why I use Skuntank in conjunction with Regigigas because it can take out Ghost-types. Also, I use Vileplume to absorb Toxic Spikes, even though they aren't as common due to the departure of Cloyster.
The EV spread is what makes Regigigas such a top-notch threat to any team. With its amazing base 110 HP, 110 Def, and 110 SpD stats, Regigigas is ridiculously hard to OHKO. With this EV spread, Regigigas hits 424 HP, 302 Def, and 301 SpD, which is pretty awesome. This allows it to survive even Primeape's Close Combat and return with an OHKO with Return. This also lets Regigigas set up against weak attackers, such as Slowking, as they can't break Regigigas's Substitute. Even without any Attack investment, Regigigas's base 160 Attack stat is high enough to make it deal enough damage to sweep effectively (it can still score many OHKOes and 2HKOes once out of Slow Start).
Regigigas's hindering ability is accommodated by the parafusion combo, which works like a charm. I just can't stress it enough how insane Regigigas is. Once this beast sets up, good luck taking it down.
One niche bulky normal type is Lickylicky, who while mostly overshadowed by Miltank (and to an extent Regigigas and Munchlax), is still a great idea to add to a team. Lickylicky's best niche to fill is as a Wish supporter, as Wish is pretty hard to come across in NU, and is something that separates Lickylicky from most other normal types. Outside of the Wish position, Lickylicky can be a pretty cool wallbreaker with solid stats and an excellent movepool: 110 / 85 / 95 / 80 / 95 / 50 stats cannot be ignored.
Also, obligatory MOST POWERFUL EXPLOSION IN THE GAME YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Kangaskhan also is a pretty cool normal type. The other scrappy normal, Kanga can throw down a lot of pain with a CB set. It also gets Wish, but is a little less bulky than Lickylicky, but Scrappy allows you to run Toxic and Return, which leaves Lickylicky a little stuck against stuff like Haunter.
Also, obligatory MOST POWERFUL EXPLOSION IN THE GAME YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Kangaskhan also is a pretty cool normal type. The other scrappy normal, Kanga can throw down a lot of pain with a CB set. It also gets Wish, but is a little less bulky than Lickylicky, but Scrappy allows you to run Toxic and Return, which leaves Lickylicky a little stuck against stuff like Haunter.
Spoke about Cursing Lickylicky on the other page. Interestingly, when I fought the Regigigas Fuzznip posted, it made a nigh perfect check, being immune to Confuse Ray and not giving a shit about Thunder Wave, Cursing up in its face.
(fuzznip still kicked my ass though)
I've not seen one Munchlax, despite all this discussion of it.
Kanga can be a pain in the ass, it has the option to throw down Sub and spam Scrappy Focus Punch. Miltank can also run this strategy but has less attack and options: it lacks priority like Fake Out and Sucker Punch.
On the subject of normal types, I think Body Slam is one of the most underrated moves out there. Most of the things that gain STAB from it do respectable damage despite the power drop, and 30% paralysis is more reliable than you think. My team is quite slow, and crippling members of the opposition and a few turns of parahax *coughcough* can really pull the match into my favor.
Also sad Doug's server is down atm. :(
(fuzznip still kicked my ass though)
I've not seen one Munchlax, despite all this discussion of it.
Kanga can be a pain in the ass, it has the option to throw down Sub and spam Scrappy Focus Punch. Miltank can also run this strategy but has less attack and options: it lacks priority like Fake Out and Sucker Punch.
On the subject of normal types, I think Body Slam is one of the most underrated moves out there. Most of the things that gain STAB from it do respectable damage despite the power drop, and 30% paralysis is more reliable than you think. My team is quite slow, and crippling members of the opposition and a few turns of parahax *coughcough* can really pull the match into my favor.
Also sad Doug's server is down atm. :(
I have been trying to get into NU battles but it's pretty hard to do so since I can't really find much information about it. I was wondering how Charizard fares in the NU environment? Would you guys say it's worthwhile to build a team around it? I understand its 1/2 HP from BD + SR weakness is still big factors in NU, so I was wondering what are some of the other prominent sets?
The staller set it seems. Except this one seems like it's very difficult to take down! Substitute, Parafusion? Suddenly stalling outseems rational.
It seems that an encore user might give you trouble if they switch in on the sub. (God I hate jumpluff)
Thanks a lot for this set. (I've been using him purely defensively)
Edit: Regigigas reaches 359 without any investment, and is pretty darn powerful considering there are no attack investments.
PS: Regigigas have any niche in the UU environment?
There are tons of pokemon that can run subs+twave+confuse ray or something similar (like swagger, which may be better than confuse ray) for example banette, gardevoir, AGGRON, zangoose... examples of pokemon that can parafusion+subs and have good offensive stats (gardy also has decent defensive stats) and obviously don't have to stall 5 turns in a row.
Just sayin' , one-attack sets may work, but have obvious flaws (Specially if an ENTIRE type takes 0 damage from it)
Just sayin' , one-attack sets may work, but have obvious flaws (Specially if an ENTIRE type takes 0 damage from it)
A good lead is something like Persian, Gligar, Miltank, ect.
An awesome lead is something like:
Piloswine @ Lefties/Focus Sash.
EVs: 252 Speed and Attack, 4 defense.
~ EQ
~ Ice Shard
~ Protect
~ Stealth Rock.
I was GOING to post a RMT in the NU forums with this, and was going to explain how to beat common leads, but eh. (BTW, the item choice goes like this: Lefties if you want to come in later, Focus Sash if you just want it to get up SR).
An awesome lead is something like:
Piloswine @ Lefties/Focus Sash.
EVs: 252 Speed and Attack, 4 defense.
~ EQ
~ Ice Shard
~ Protect
~ Stealth Rock.
I was GOING to post a RMT in the NU forums with this, and was going to explain how to beat common leads, but eh. (BTW, the item choice goes like this: Lefties if you want to come in later, Focus Sash if you just want it to get up SR).
Regigigas' problem is that paralysis-spreading is bad with Miltank everywhere, it can't do much in the early game like Miltank can, it doesn't have insta-healing or status-healing or Stealth Rock like Miltank does and it can't Wishpass or Explode like Lickylicky can.
Gigas happens to lose to stuff like Medicham, Primeape and Magmortar as well, and you're screwed if they Toxic you.
But it can fill a solid niche, I guess.
Piloswine's Fighting weakness hurts it a lot. Can EQ + Ice Shard KO a -1 Primeape?
You could try Endeavor over Protect.
Scarfed or +1 Priority Ice-type moves are becoming increasingly common on leads. I suspect this is because of a certain innocent-looking puffball...
Gigas happens to lose to stuff like Medicham, Primeape and Magmortar as well, and you're screwed if they Toxic you.
But it can fill a solid niche, I guess.
Piloswine's Fighting weakness hurts it a lot. Can EQ + Ice Shard KO a -1 Primeape?
You could try Endeavor over Protect.
Scarfed or +1 Priority Ice-type moves are becoming increasingly common on leads. I suspect this is because of a certain innocent-looking puffball...
I THINK so. I figure that if I see Primape, Protect on turn 1, EQ, Protect on turn 3, and then IS.
Protect is a necesity against Fake Out leads. Pilo's to slow to outspeed the FO even with IS. -_-
And the Piloswine lead was thought up around the time the first NU thread ended.
Protect is a necesity against Fake Out leads. Pilo's to slow to outspeed the FO even with IS. -_-
And the Piloswine lead was thought up around the time the first NU thread ended.
Sandslash is probably the most common lead I've seen. It has good defense to combat the fact that most leads are physically based, and of course Rapid Spin removes rocks and breaks sash. EQ / Stone Edge / Rapid Spin / SR is the set to watch for.
Am I the only one who runs a Quick Attack Lum Berry Pinsir lead?
Am I the only one who runs a Quick Attack Lum Berry Pinsir lead?
ive ran stealth rock/quick attack/x scissor/cc on a sashed lead pinsir.
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