Note:These were taken before the last tier changes with typhlosion, Espeon, Magmortar, and the like. Nowadays there's probably a bit more spatk.
NU Pokemon only
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HP 73
Attack 84
Defense 77
Special Attack 76
Special Defense 77
Speed 68
NU and all NFEs together
HP 61
Attack 67
Defense 64
Special Attack 61
Special Defense 62
Speed 58
NU and competitive NFEs*
HP 68
Attack 77
Defense 73
Special Attack 70
Special Defense 72
Speed 65
*Competitive NFEs, for the purposes of this spreadsheet are at least 1 of the following:
- 2nd stage evolution (in the case of 3 stage chains)
- Not a NFE of a current NU (unless they're a special case)
- Distinct to their evolution
An example of a 2nd stage evolution is Charmeleon, meaning that Charmander wasn't counted in this average. A NFE of a current NU would be something like Flaafy, since Ampharos is currently also NU. An exception to this would be Anorith, who is much different than Armaldo due to a huge speed difference. In most cases, if something is distinct to its evolution, it's already counted as NU, but just in case they weren't, they're still listed.
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Kudos to Bologo for putting these up on another forum I frequent, these are awesome. counting competitve NFE's, Adamant band Digglet an effective base 122 attack. Though as choice banders go, this is pitiful, for a one move revenge killer it works fairly well in comparison to average. Trapinch's attack is obviously well above average, but how exactly does it plan to get a hit in? base 10 speed barely outspeeds munchlax, and 45/45/45 defensive stats don't exactly let him survive any hits. I consider trapinch better than digglett, but I'm not particularly iclined to use either of them.
Thanks for that. :)
I was actually thinking, we could go a step further. We could work out the average stats for each Pokemon on the ladder, then multiply the stats by the usage the Pokemon gets, do the same with each Pokemon on the ladder, sum them, and then divide the result by 12 times the number of battles. Then we'd get the actual average raw stats for each tier.
Then, say in OU, the some of the average stats were:
Attack - 300
Defense - 325
Special Attack - 300
Special Defense - 275
And in NU, some of the average stats were:
Attack - 250
Defense - 225
Special Attack - 150
Special Defense - 175
And then say there was a Dugtrio in OU with 284 Attack, and we wanted to compare it with a Diglett in NU with 229 Attack.
We could work out the ratios of each.
So for Dugtrio, it would be 284:300, which is .95, and for Diglett it would be 229:250, which is .92, so we could say that, in comparison to other Pokemon in their respective tiers, Dugtrio's Attack stat is higher than Diglett's.
And you could do Attack:Defense aswell, so for Dugtrio it would be .87 (284:325), and for Diglett it would be 1.02 (229:225). So in this scenario, Diglett would do more physical damage to the average NU Pokemon than Dugtrio would do to the average OU Pokemon.
And you could perhaps do the same with Haunter and Gengar. So if Haunter had 361 Special Attack, and Genagr had 394, you could do the Special Attack:Special Attack values, which give:
Haunter in NU - 2.41
Gengar in OU - 1.31
And the Special Attack:Special Defense values would give:
Haunter in NU - 2.06
Gengar in OU - 1.43
So those values would say that Haunter's Special Attack in comparison to the average NU Pokemon is better than Gengar's Special Attack in comparison to the average OU Pokemon, and also that Haunter does more special damage to the average NU Pokemon than Gengar does to the average OU Pokemon.
Obviously, this would really be a bit more complicated, as HP would have to be factored in, and the numbers would not be so nice, but it would help a lot to put things into perspective, and it would help to map this metagame to OU to make comparisons, as we're more familiar with OU.
I would do it myself, but I can't think of a quick way to do it.
