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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)

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I wish Linoone would be able to learn its Extremespeed/ Belly Drum combo in game, instead of doing that special event thing in Pokemon Box. If it was, I'm sure that the use of it would skyrocket, possibly maybe into OU
 
Well, the combination of having the moves ESpeed/ Bellydrum/ Seed Bomb/ and Shadow Claw give it a wide range of sweeping potential. And if it had Gluttony along with a Salac Berry, ha... who wouldn't use it on their team?
 
the thing is, the combo is legal and people DO use on they teams, its just that it sucks because it cant beat steels and extremespeed still miss some ohkoes against pokes like weezing. i dont get what you mean by all of this, really.
 
Luke, did you look at the tiers?
BD Linoone is in NU, thus, you know what. Weezing isn't there.
And it's effective in NU because of the lack of steel types. Lol Probopass and Bastiodon. They're setup bait.
 
Magneton is still NU, and Linoone isn't getting past it without some sort of prior damage. Also, how the hell is Probopass and Bastiodon setup bait?? How the hell do you plan on getting past them?? Rock Smash?? That's not going to OHKO and they can easily one shot you as you BD up.
 
Setup fodder for other Pokemon. Not BD Linoone. You can just bring a Pokemon with Taunt and they're fairly useless.
Also Gardevoir is a very nice response to weather teams. I use offensive CM Gardevoir (CM / Psychic / Shadow Ball / WoW @ Leftovers) and it worked wonders until a haxpolosion came and killed it with Overheat :<.
I know it's walled by steel / dark types but those types aren't really that common in NU.
 
That's why I usually open with Will-O-Wisp. It crisps switch-ins.
And yeah Skuntank is probably the best counter but I think Sneasel is pretty good as well. Perhaps people prefer something less SR weak, but I think Sneasel does just as well. And can also hit harder with Swords Dance, a more relieable priority in Ice Shard, and it can also take out steels. Too bad it doesn't get Night Slash though. Murkrow might do fine too.
I actually never saw a Skuntank, and NU battles aren't really common. Despite the tier being probably the hardest to master. (OU gets pretty boring now, since ScarfTar are just everywhere.. EVERYWHERE.)
 
BloodyRoutin said:
Luke, did you look at the tiers?
BD Linoone is in NU, thus, you know what. Weezing isn't there.
And it's effective in NU because of the lack of steel types. Lol Probopass and Bastiodon. They're setup bait.
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he shine in NU because of the lack of walls, he sucks in UU and OU, and the guy said he would become OU for whatever reason, i said the reasons why he DONT work outside of NU.
 
The thing is, tiers are based on Shoddy Battle usage, so the ease of availability of a Belly Drum + Extremespeed + Gluttony Linoone is not an issue.
 
Even in NU, BD Linoone needs a lot more support than people tend to provide it with - it really enjoys screens and entry hazards, otherwise it struggles to get past bulky pokemon like Gligar, Meganium and Torkoal. Spikes have been kind of absent with Qwilfish and Drifblim in UU, but Linoone could be a sweeper to benefit from their return?
 
BloodyRoutin said:
Manectric is kind of outclassed by Ninetales IMO, oh lol switcherro. It's an offensive Pokemon and I'll lol at those using Switcheroo. Walls won't stay on a Switcheroo either.
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Of course they won't. You use a move like Flamethrower as your opener, to try to hit resistors. If they send in a wall, or you know they have a wall, and they know you are special, then the SECOND time you hit them on the switch.

And Ninetails gets very little over Manectric. Tbolt + Flamethrower + HP Grass is better than Flamethrower + Energy Ball + Dark Pulse or some shit, expecially considering a lot more walls that (I'm sorry, but FLAREON counters that absolutely masterfully!)
 
Ninetales runs NP/Flamer/Energy Ball/Hypnosis or HP Rock, so its a set up sweeper, while Manetric goes for Thunderbolt/Hp Grass/Switcheroo/Flamer, and its a choiced attacker. Ninetales is better when it boosts, because it can boost. Nobody in their right minds is going to slap specs on Nintales, simply because Typhlosion/Magmortar do it better, in every single way.
 
Leman said:
Ninetales runs NP/Flamer/Energy Ball/Hypnosis or HP Rock, so its a set up sweeper, while Manetric goes for Thunderbolt/Hp Grass/Switcheroo/Flamer, and its a choiced attacker. Ninetales is better when it boosts, because it can boost. Nobody in their right minds is going to slap specs on Nintales, simply because Typhlosion/Magmortar do it better, in every single way.
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Hypnosis is useless on Ninetails. Not being walled by Charizard/fire types in general is better than *randomly* crippling another pokemon.
HP Rock is a must.

Ninetails is actually pretty damn awesome here. It's actually surprisingly bulky (for a sweeper) and the fact that it's speed is extremely high another bonus factor. Switching into... a choice Scarf Eruption can spell your doom. Nasty plot Fire blast will utterly maul anything in the tier.


PS: Leman you ass! Manetric can boost lawl. Charge beam :P(although it's not quite on pair than Nasty plot and I find that Ampharos is generally better in those regards.)
 
PK Gaming said:
Hypnosis is useless on Ninetails. Not being walled by Charizard/fire types in general is better than *randomly* crippling another pokemon.
HP Rock is a must.
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Hypnosis gives you set up though. Its still a very viable option.


PK Gaming said:
PS: Leman you ass! Manetric can boost lawl. Charge beam :P(although it's not quite on pair than Nasty plot)
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Yep, I never said it couldn't. But the Sepcs is more common than SubCharge.
 
Leman said:
Hypnosis gives you set up though. Its still a very viable option.

But fire types are pretty common. Flareon laughs at you, Charizard Laughs at you (and so on and so forth) Not to mention that Hypnosis has a craptastic accuracy. Not worth it.
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Yep, I never said it couldn't. But the Sepcs is more common than SubCharge.
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Speaking of Specs, I trick immediately when I send the guy out. I don't care about sweeping with him when I just crippled one of their special walls.
 
Leman said:
Hypnosis gives you set up though. Its still a very viable option.




Yep, I never said it couldn't. But the Sepcs is more common than SubCharge.
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eh, you can set up by forcing something out. It's not like someone is goign to switch in, be put the sleep, and sit there hoping to wake up as you reach +6.

Ninetales needs HP Rock. Absolutely needs it.
 
Hypnosis' real use is for incapacitating its checks and counters, especially things like Sucker Punching Skuntank. I'm not sure whether HP Water might not be better than HP Rock - sure, you lose coverage on Mantine but missing the speed tie with Zard, Dodrio, non-Scarf Typhlosion, Raichu and Entei (as well as outrunning HP Rock Ninetales).
 
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