Max Atk LO Earthquake does 47% minimum to Quagsire so 2HKOing it isn't difficult especially with a little prior damage, but having to drop Leftovers kinda sucks. Sounds like a great bulky water lure now that I think of it which should come in handy next round when Slowking drops and Charizard/Magmortar are in the spotlight.
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NU Discussion Thread (Mark II)
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Viable? Zard's the biggest threat in the tier aside from Espeon and Entei who both just got unofficial bans.
thought so, just had a little confusion when i was talking to someone else about this
Charizard was a suspect, and got a 2-1 vote to be NU [Out of the elligable pool, and people who made good arguments]
Anyway, I think now we're going to see just how broken Charizard is. With Skuntank use sure to drop due to Espeon, Charizard has even less that can stop Specs Air Slashes rampageing through any team. Air Slash is a 2HKO on anything in the teir that isn't very bulky, or resists it, and most of those pokemon aren't safe from Specs Fire Blasts.
Anyway, I think now we're going to see just how broken Charizard is. With Skuntank use sure to drop due to Espeon, Charizard has even less that can stop Specs Air Slashes rampageing through any team. Air Slash is a 2HKO on anything in the teir that isn't very bulky, or resists it, and most of those pokemon aren't safe from Specs Fire Blasts.
The problem is that Charizard can't switch between them freely. Stealth Rocks aren't hard to get up in NU, with Pinsir and Gligar now running around with even more freedom. Charizard needs support of a Rapid Spinner, and while Spinners can help the team on the whole, having to dedicate two slots for one sweeper is done better with double screens and belly drummers.
What about Muk? I've used it a few times, and now that Espeon is gone (I've taken it off my team, and I've seen a few others do the same), it can get a Curse or two under its belt before dealing with anything. With pure Poison typing, it doesn't fear any Toxic (so long, Articuno), and with priority as Shadow Sneak, it can smash any frail revengekills. Too bad it doesn't have reliable recovery, though.
What about Muk? I've used it a few times, and now that Espeon is gone (I've taken it off my team, and I've seen a few others do the same), it can get a Curse or two under its belt before dealing with anything. With pure Poison typing, it doesn't fear any Toxic (so long, Articuno), and with priority as Shadow Sneak, it can smash any frail revengekills. Too bad it doesn't have reliable recovery, though.
I wouldn't be so sure Slowking will drop down. I've been laddering in UU and I've seen more than a few Slowking running around.
I was wondering how a bulky Xatu with trick and pluck would work?
Also, how would a bibarel with unaware and swagger be? You get to use swagger's high accuracy, and the fact that the enemy deals more damage to itself, without suffering the negative consequences of raising the enemies' attack.
Also, how would a bibarel with unaware and swagger be? You get to use swagger's high accuracy, and the fact that the enemy deals more damage to itself, without suffering the negative consequences of raising the enemies' attack.
Looking at Dunsparce, he learns Agility. My plan was to have a Solrock or Lunatone Baton Pass that and Cosmic Power to him in order to prepare for a flinch-hax sweep (with entry hazards). Getting a good Baton Pass Solrock/Lunatone is proving hard, BPing Stockpile if that works should work fine. Is this a good Dunsparce set?
Dunsparce @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Agility
- Rock Slide
- Headbutt
- Earthquake
With Stockpiles passed to him he's not running short on his defenses and he boasts a nice HP score. In NU Dunsparce should be able to find time to use Agility to become faster than the entire tier minus Electrode. Rock Slide/Headbutt are generic flinch-hax moves that this entire team will be built for and Earthquake stops those pesky Steel-types of NU in their tracks.
Dunsparce @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Agility
- Rock Slide
- Headbutt
- Earthquake
With Stockpiles passed to him he's not running short on his defenses and he boasts a nice HP score. In NU Dunsparce should be able to find time to use Agility to become faster than the entire tier minus Electrode. Rock Slide/Headbutt are generic flinch-hax moves that this entire team will be built for and Earthquake stops those pesky Steel-types of NU in their tracks.
It was 60th in June and 66th in July, so its usage is gonna need to be something special this month if it wants a chance at staying UU. As long as Moltres hype is died down I don't see that happening.
1.5x, just to correct you there.
Yeah whoops I was assuming LO on the special Roost set, wasn't clear on that..
SD Zard sounds really scary actually, pretty much every physical set I run into is DD or Belly Drum so I imagine it has the surprise factor going for it. +2 Flare Blitz does sound like suicide though.
SD Zard sounds really scary actually, pretty much every physical set I run into is DD or Belly Drum so I imagine it has the surprise factor going for it. +2 Flare Blitz does sound like suicide though.
you were the one that mentioned zard enjoy roosting, he wont be taking 50% from recoil in 1 shot, regardless of the pokemon he is atacking. thus SR while being a pain in the ass dont make flare blitz a suicide(well the move is suicide itself but he wont die in 1 use) move to a pokemon like zard.
there is always rapid spin though.
there is always rapid spin though.
I saw some guy in OU using a certain poke, so i'll ask:
Would this certain poke be any good here in NU?
The poke i'm talking about s LO Lapras. Assuming Modest, it has pretty much the same attacking power as Starmie (just 4 points lower), but Lapras is a bulky poke with a stronger Ice Beam.
I would use Walrein because of it's higher SpA... except it lacks Thunderbolt and Hydro Pump, so Lapras is going to be overall stronger anyway.
Would this certain poke be any good here in NU?
The poke i'm talking about s LO Lapras. Assuming Modest, it has pretty much the same attacking power as Starmie (just 4 points lower), but Lapras is a bulky poke with a stronger Ice Beam.
I would use Walrein because of it's higher SpA... except it lacks Thunderbolt and Hydro Pump, so Lapras is going to be overall stronger anyway.
Lapras is okay as an offensive Pokemon in NU because its good movepool, however, SR weak and lack of weaknesses to common attacking types (FIRE and electric) kind of sucks. However, if you want a bulky attacker, there's no reason why you can't use Lapras.
Just a side note, that guy obviously hasn't used LO Tank Milotic or even Offensive Suicune.
Maybe the reason he didn't used Milotic/Suicune was because of Thunderbolt? Well, in OU having STAB on Ice Beam isn't that great unless you're facing a bulkyNite IMO...
Oh heck he used against me as a lead. And he "Hydro Pump+Ice Shard'd" my poor Azelf lol.
Well, at least it can recover some health with Water Absorb if it comes on water moves...if.
Oh heck he used against me as a lead. And he "Hydro Pump+Ice Shard'd" my poor Azelf lol.
Well, at least it can recover some health with Water Absorb if it comes on water moves...if.
Who's a good paralysis spreader for Dunsparce? I've narrowed it down to Gardevoir, Chimecho, Regice and Porygon2. The last two share a Fighting weakness sadly, but will that really hurt much?
I'd suggest getting something like Dusclops or Haunter to back up Dunsparce's fighting weak anyway, but Regice seems like a solid Para supporter; it lures in strong physical attackers to be given status.
What is the viability of Lapras' Dragon Dancing? It seems to me like it is done better by the likes of Crawdaunt, but the surprise could allow you the chance to get a second DD in free.
What is the viability of Lapras' Dragon Dancing? It seems to me like it is done better by the likes of Crawdaunt, but the surprise could allow you the chance to get a second DD in free.
How the fuck does it care that Espeon is gone? ._. Before Entei got FB SD/Seed Bomb/Sucker Punch/Sub Cacturne was decent. Its got stiff competition from Shifty who is bulkier, and faster and is less predictable.
Maybe because Espeon always ran Signal Beam (4x effective)/HP Fire?
I used DD Lapras a lot 1 or 2 metagames ago. Sub + DD + Waterfall + Return is amazing when given things like Encore and Rapid Spin support. The reason Lapras would be better than Crawdaunt is because Crawdaunt, like Lapras, is very slow, but he also is extraordinarily frail, unlike Lapras. Crawdaunt needs the x2 to outspeed things, but dies in one hit from the very same things it needs to outspeed. Lapras can tak ea lot more damage. Lapras also has a lot more opportunities to come in with a water immunity, 4x ice resist, etc.
Yeah, Lapras has huge problems with bulky waters though, which Crawdaunt / Whiscash suffer from less because they have strong secondary STAB to put the hurt on stuff.
I don't really like DD Lapras to be honest. You've got a horrible typing and are quite susceptible to Encore which a lot of water-types get. Especially when Poliwrath / Slowking drop, I don't see it working.
I don't really like DD Lapras to be honest. You've got a horrible typing and are quite susceptible to Encore which a lot of water-types get. Especially when Poliwrath / Slowking drop, I don't see it working.
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