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Going along with what PatTar said, I have sets for both of them.
Kanghaskan @ Leftovers
~Double-Edge
~Earthquake
~Shadow Ball
~Wish
Works quite good as a lead in UU, as it can Double-Edge for good Damage and then Wish itself and the other members.
Exeggutor @ Leftovers
~Leech Seed/Stun Spore
~Psychic
~Sleep Powder
~Wish
I use Leech Seed but it's really up to preference. Psychic with its good SAtk, and Sleep Powder is always good.
Kanghaskan @ Leftovers
~Double-Edge
~Earthquake
~Shadow Ball
~Wish
Works quite good as a lead in UU, as it can Double-Edge for good Damage and then Wish itself and the other members.
Exeggutor @ Leftovers
~Leech Seed/Stun Spore
~Psychic
~Sleep Powder
~Wish
I use Leech Seed but it's really up to preference. Psychic with its good SAtk, and Sleep Powder is always good.
The magneton article should be edited to include the endure/salac version which counters dugtrio somewhat and also works to counter salamence, unboosted gyarados, metagross and heracross. Of course blissey nullifies this version, but blissey nullifies all versions of magneton so that doesnt really matter. The endure salac maggie has the moveset substitute/endure/thunderbolt/HP ice substitute is to predict against slow status moves like milotic, weezing and dusclops or to use when you know they're going to switch out but dont know what they're going to send in or maybe suspect that they're going to try to counter predict you. Substitute should be backed up with a timid nature and 252 speed evs which is also nessecary to beat duggie with the salac. The rest goes into special attack. status moves like Thunderwave and toxic dont work because maggie cant absorb the hit that will come it's way while it's using these status moves. If maggie isnt hitting something, it should be ducking and weaving because one neutral hit from any decent attacker will send this magnet sprawling.
norulz
excellent
I agree with HawaiianSnow89, the only problem with the Salac Magneton is that the opponent is free to change to Blissey or Regice or any other Special Sponge or Tank. Otherwise it's a pretty innovative set. But I don't see how it counters Metagross. Even with Hidden Power Fire, it won't do more than 75% damage. And the same goes to Heracross, unless both were hit on the switch. I also agree with the Substitute, since it's excellent to predict status attacks and it's always been my option. I actually find Magneton's defense Sufficient, his only problem is his HP. It won't even last for long unless the attacker has Choice Banded on a Drill Peck or Hidden Power Flying or any other flying move.
why would magneton use Hidden Power Fire on Metagross or Hera when Stab TBolt hurts em more(TBolt is 142.5 while HP Fire is 140 only)
and here's a set for medicham i use it and it owns
Medicham@Salac Berry
Jolly/Adamant
EVs:252 Atk/252 SPD/6 HP
Endure
Substitute
Shadow Ball
Reversal
Strategy:
i know what you're thinking SUB AND ENDURE ON THE SAME SET? well it actually works because Sub counters blissey and can be used on the switch and endure when you believe ur dyin then Reversal or Shadow Ball away
and here's a set for medicham i use it and it owns
Medicham@Salac Berry
Jolly/Adamant
EVs:252 Atk/252 SPD/6 HP
Endure
Substitute
Shadow Ball
Reversal
Strategy:
i know what you're thinking SUB AND ENDURE ON THE SAME SET? well it actually works because Sub counters blissey and can be used on the switch and endure when you believe ur dyin then Reversal or Shadow Ball away
Entei (Blissey Counter) Jolly 252 Speed 132 HP rest in Attack
Leftovers / Lum Berry
HP Fighting
Substitute
Psych Up
Swagger
Basically Switch in on Blissey (Use Lum berry if your scared of t wave)
Sub then swagger then psych up 67% damage.
Leftovers / Lum Berry
HP Fighting
Substitute
Psych Up
Swagger
Basically Switch in on Blissey (Use Lum berry if your scared of t wave)
Sub then swagger then psych up 67% damage.
Great Sage
Banned deucer.
Gengar/Dusclops own you badly, and Swagger/Psych Up generally doesn't work. Blissey usually doesn't stay in for a potential Double Edge, anyway.
Great Sage
Banned deucer.
Parasect's Other Options section... is... well... sorta formatted weird, as is its Counters section. I can't really find the words to describe it. Just go and look at it yourself.
Not a full analysis, just something minor.
For Blissey's counter section, add in Muk. He can make 101 subs, focus punch off 105 atk, and 100 sdef garuntees Bliss's IB won't break his sub. The only thing bliss can hope to do is twave you, and since you're not gonna outspeed much already, it doesn't hinder you that much.
For Blissey's counter section, add in Muk. He can make 101 subs, focus punch off 105 atk, and 100 sdef garuntees Bliss's IB won't break his sub. The only thing bliss can hope to do is twave you, and since you're not gonna outspeed much already, it doesn't hinder you that much.
ok, ok, well, as im just a rookie you will have to particully forgive me. I failed with Venusaur, but i have pride of this set. It will kill all ghosts and psichichs (as mentioned on the analysis), since they are not packed with good fight moves (well, just to care about Hypno), see:
Sneasel:
Shadow Ball
Ice Beam
Dig
Aerial Ace
I dont have any ideas for specific natures. Sure it is a Sneasel and it will not hold up too much but the intention is to hurt before get killed. Seens to have some great problems with Skarmory but with a good speed and great Attack it can lift around a lot of pokémon. C'mon, Sage, it´s not SOOOO bad.
Sneasel:
Shadow Ball
Ice Beam
Dig
Aerial Ace
I dont have any ideas for specific natures. Sure it is a Sneasel and it will not hold up too much but the intention is to hurt before get killed. Seens to have some great problems with Skarmory but with a good speed and great Attack it can lift around a lot of pokémon. C'mon, Sage, it´s not SOOOO bad.
Yes it is SOOOO bad.
Great Sage
Banned deucer.
Why the hell would you be using:
1. Ice Beam off 35 base SA?
2. Dig in general?
3. UnSTABed Aerial Ace?
1. Ice Beam off 35 base SA?
2. Dig in general?
3. UnSTABed Aerial Ace?
Entei @ Choice Band
Brave Nature
Fire Blast
Double-Edge
Iron Tail
Hidden Power Fighting
This can actually work if you pair it with a solid wisher (Salamence, Jirachi, Vaporeon are probably the best bets for that). Overheat won't kill Celebi but without Adamant it will do a good chunk of damage with the minimum of 216. Luckily, Entei does not need 252 EVs to get 404 HP, so some can go into speed or special attack, or maybe even defense.
Brave Nature
Fire Blast
Double-Edge
Iron Tail
Hidden Power Fighting
This can actually work if you pair it with a solid wisher (Salamence, Jirachi, Vaporeon are probably the best bets for that). Overheat won't kill Celebi but without Adamant it will do a good chunk of damage with the minimum of 216. Luckily, Entei does not need 252 EVs to get 404 HP, so some can go into speed or special attack, or maybe even defense.
