Project Old Gen Hackmons Megathread

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

I think Manu11 is council x)
Anyways, the first thing to address is No Guard DeoS is absolutely broken. Hypnosis has more PPs then MCoat, so running Sub with it or simply just predicting the Opp will get you away.

Deoxys-Speed @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sheer Cold
- Hypnosis
- Gastro Acid
- Substitute

This set needs either Mold Rocks / Another NO GUARD DEOS for Rocks + Gastro + Sing + Sheer Cold.

Secondly, Prankster mons that run this set is incredibly decent:
Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Encore
- Nature Power
- Sleep Talk
- Heal Bell

As seen in Turn 24 of this game. The reason this set works well, is basically it's the equivalent of ORAS Tina but without the Normal immunity, and sleep is ridiculous this gen. NP gives Earthquake more PPs, while this set aims to counter sleep with Sleep Talk + Heal Bell and Encore if they set up. Great set. Tho it is recommended it should be paired up with another Mon with Priority.


Slaking @ Lum Berry
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- U-turn / Baton Pass
- Magic Coat
- Pursuit
- Extreme Speed

Yeah. Probably the best answer to No Guard DeoS anyways. Pursuit traps DeoS into a 50/50 while Magic Coat forces DeoS to 99% of the time switch. ORAS PH interaction.


Meloetta-Pirouette @ Lum Berry
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Extreme Speed
- Drain Punch
- Leaf Blade / Ice Shard / Protect / Any Filler

There's so many different sets for this Mon. Underrated because people keep using PSpirit. The 4th set is basically fishing their other WG or Protect when you think they run 1 WG. It's that simple.

Finally, WGs with Flame Orb is okay. Those are strictly for 1 WG teams and must run U-Turn. These mons might want Trick paired up with the Lando set above. This meta is really fast paced, so you better get momentum or the opponent might throw you off.

I'm also submitting this for samples: Dual NG Offense

Okay. I'm gonna post a more thorough analysis after exams. Bye.

Yeah Like Lycan said Melo is such a MU fish to be honest but this is a honest analysis and oh I wasn't aware that there were still BW Council members! are they still active in the community? and yeah like lycan said a Prankster Sleeptalk Mon is def good I also have a sample submission https://pokepast.es/c2e16f9b2ac34b45 this is a stall sample I also have a general offense sample https://pokepast.es/d7de6542cc6654c3 It has a similar set as Lycan's Lando-T but on don it's a dual Deo-s offense but it has Kyogre as the WG with Rapid spin and Hydro Pump the reason I chose Kyogre as it can tank 3 Dpulses from a +2 Ray which means is MEGA tanky this team has Moldy Ray with Draco Plate with Spacial rend and Flame Thrower there's also a Bdrum Fakespeed Prio Slaking with Moldy because well is broken op

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

Manu hasnt been online for quite some time, I think due to personal matters.
Teams look okay. There are a few issues imo.

Team 1: Good players should be able to exploit the Slaking having No Spore nor Taunt. Belly Drum is way too costly for any consistent team (might be usable in tours) and the first team is not Improofed. Soft Proof is fine, like Sub, but when opp copies MRay and win the Speed Tie, it is costly for you. Rayquaza is generally better with VCreate here, because there's a mon that's been generally underused, WG Blissey. Covering for that is pretty great. Dropping Spikes for Rocks is recommended for DeoS because if you can only fit one hazard, put Rocks. This applies to every meta except SVPH. Lando really diffs Groudon as a Prankster user because of Grounded Hazards and the occasional Fissure. Would recommend dropping Mold Slaking for a WG like Blissey/Slak or PSpirit. Team is weak to NG so you need another WG. Sleep is ridiculous. Just run dual Sheer Cold, there is no good weak-to-ground WG.

Team 2: I've personally tested Impostor, yeah, it WANTS LUM. It helps a LOT in those interactions. Ho-Oh is 4* weak to Rocks anyways, you could test out something like Toxic Orb Magic Guard. Bro can Trick WGs or Psycho Shift different mons. Normally this wouldn't be ideal because you would rather put stuff to sleep, but this team has no sleep due to the interest in making a Stall team. Alternatively, you could tryout Rapid Spin Mold Regigigas with Heal. Normally, you can't afford these but getting rid of hazards is great for these teams and you can pair it up with something like Spore + Rocks/Spikes. It's still a theory-mon but sounds decent in practice. We've done similar stuff in ORAS PH due to Glory inventing an annoying Spore+Spikes+Chatter+ObiWing set anyways. With that added, Pokestar can safely run Sheer Cold over Spin to actually KILL the No Guard Mon instead of playing mind games with it. Idk why Flash Fire Skarm, just run WG in that slot. For that Tina Slot, Tina is only for Balance teams due to it's only justified role being SubPass. I recommend a Trick Choice mon with Heal to actually pressure your opponent's threats.

OK back to exams, hf building, hopes this help

lemme make this quick Flash Fire Skarm baits sacred fire from an the impostor if they imp ho-oh plus it's a surprise Mon also Ig it does want lum either way both items can work in either scenario secondly I'm planning on posting a Imprison deo-s set to imprison a deo-s with sheer cold it's still a work in progress but still BWPH is still being rediscovered overall with new sets springing up and new mons seeing more use imo

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ubers-2497793437 Okay Ima make another quick post this battle shows what happens when a team can't put enough pressure onto a team that has well built walls like Kyogre who is a MAJOR Special wall as it walls a +2 Dpulse from Rayquaza but also if the team can't find a meaningful way to put up rocks it kinda just folds when Kyogre is on preview tbf https://pokepast.es/a88afb774c7142b2 the team used in the Replay is not very different from the Pokepast one I'm posting here it's just that I made one Deo-s lefties and gave the other one rocks

 

[Wyrd]

Im also planning to build a stall team for a sample submission, however i believe lunala will make a better one than me due to having more overall experience of the gen. Toxic seems kinda wanted on a bwph stall coz of limited ways to do damage EDIT maybe on skarm coz it doesn’t get cooked by mbounce or mcoat

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

Im also planning to build a stall team for a sample submission, however i believe lunala will make a better one than me due to having more overall experience of the gen. Toxic seems kinda wanted on a bwph stall coz of limited ways to do damage

One simple thing Magic coat it literally cooks you or Mbounce or hell even Gengar make that less viable also Prankster with Heal bell that exists so like that makes it effectively pointless Hazard/Curse stack is the best way to do chip damage whille trying to to let doe-s set up on you

 

[Viola ~ Lunala ^﹏^]

https://pokepast.es/ef122bbc9813dcd2 Not gonna say much it's just a diff version of the stall team I alrdy posted

Im also planning to build a stall team for a sample submission, however i believe lunala will make a better one than me due to having more overall experience of the gen. Toxic seems kinda wanted on a bwph stall coz of limited ways to do damage EDIT maybe on skarm coz it doesn’t get cooked by mbounce or mcoat

I changed Tina for Dusknoir as it provides excellent bulk with a decent typing of pure ghost and since with a +SPD nature it can achieve 405 SPD and a nice near 400 DEF its certainly a powerful wall and since it's trick scarf it can greatly cripple opposing mons also made Ho-oh Mguard with Torb and Trick this is just a test but it might allow for an interesting and better way to cripple a Mon

 

[Ransei]

In light of the OP and following post containing resources/directories being heavily outdated, I have now updated them to be accurate. Generation 5 Pure Hackmons has been getting some traction as of late but doesn't have an active leader or council looking over it right now. As a result I'll be looking over Generation 5 Pure Hackmons and running its resources for the time being until a dedicated council is established.

 

[GhastlyPixie]

Hi, I am taking over GSC PH.

GSC PH Resources Hub
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NOTE

this meta is still pretty preliminary, so resources may change or become outdated unexpectedly

Viability Rankings
Pokémon are ordered by strength throughout all ranks. The links contain sample sets and short descriptions, though there's lots of set diversity in GSC. Some samples even use sets not shown in these links.

Image Form

S Rank
S
Mewtwo
Lugia
Aerodactyl

A Rank
A+
Electrode
Snorlax

A
Ho-Oh
Tyranitar
Steelix

B Rank
B+
Skarmory
Raikou
Suicune
Gengar
Jolteon

B
Magneton
Scizor
Celebi
Rhydon

C Rank
Misdreavus
Blissey
Marowak
Slowbro
Quagsire

Sample Teams
I’m very open to sample submissions, anything that can hold vs common threats will do.

Icy Wind Ho-Oh Offense by adriancosmoem


Updated Triple Boom Offense by adriancosmoem


Updated Bdrum Aero Balance by adriancosmoem and GhastlyPixie


Perish trap Celebi Balance by GhastlyPixie

 

[LycanrocWastaken]

Gen 5 PH Personal VR (s/o Bytes for helping)

S:
...............................No Guard (S), Shadow Tag (S-), Wonder Guard (S-), Mold Breaker (A)

S-:
...............................Prankster (S-)

...............................Wonder Guard (S-)

A+:
..............................Mold Breaker (A+)
..............................Huge Power (A+), Wonder Guard (A-)
..............................Wonder Guard (A+), Huge Power (A+), Mold Breaker (B-)
..............................Magic Bounce (A+), Prankster (B-)

A:
.............................Mold Breaker (A)
.............................Lum/Scarf Impostor (A)


B+:
............................Mold Breaker (B+)
............................Impostor (B+)
............................Wonder Guard (B+), Shadow Tag (B+)
............................Prankster (B+), Mold Breaker (B-)

B:
..............................Wonder Guard (B), Shadow Tag (B), Mold Breaker (B-)
.............................Scrappy (B)
..............................Wonder Guard (B), Magic Bounce (B), Mold Breaker (B)
..............................Wonder Guard (B)
..............................Mold Breaker (B), Magic Bounce (B), Wonder Guard (B-)
..............................Magic Bounce (B)

B-:
..............................Shadow Tag (B-)
..............................Shadow Tag (B-), Huge Power (C), Mold Breaker (C)
..............................Magic Bounce (B-)
..............................Magic Bounce (B-), Wonder Guard (B-)
..............................Wonder Guard (B-)

C:
..............................Magic Bounce (C), Weather Setter (C)
..............................Magic Bounce (C)
..............................Shadow Tag (C)
..............................Mold Breaker (C), Magic Bounce (C)
..............................Magic Guard (C), Magic Bounce (C)
..............................Mold Breaker (C)

 

[Child of Night]

I have liked gen 5 PH for a while but haven't really had the chance to play due to it being pretty unpopular. Thankfully, it has gotten more attention recently and I have made some teams after winning like 5 tours in a row.

1. https://pokepast.es/46bdb7e151a03b94 All In Slaking just as the name says, goes all in on getting slaking that really crucial sub so it can safely belly drum and sweep basically everything after that. There's not a lot of things being run currently that can easily stop this beast after setting up. HP Regi is there to save you if you can't get the sub to slaking quickly but it probably won't last long. Pretty MU fishy team

2. https://pokepast.es/d55f643d44f16090 Hazard stack with prankster Exca that can kill a Slaking after it bdrums (if its at full HP) with some other support moves. Imposter Chansey is there for other sweepers that are immune to ground. Goal of the team is to get hazards up and abuse them with latios and Deoxys, while preventing them from being cleared with Giratina and Pokestar.

3. https://pokepast.es/f228cbe1d7cb9877 Another sort of hazard stack that focuses on removing or just killing popular bounce mons with trick stag ensuring they cant use basically any move safely, and HP gigas with toxics spikes and icicle crash so bounce giratina cant really come in on it. Ssneak on MB slaking is for the Mold sweeper gengar I have been seeing a lot of lately. It still kinda loses to it if it gets a sub up but oh well.