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Good points about the multiple invention 9 Tales of Ninetales. I also agree it would be cool to help Steven 'discover' mega evolution. Could be why they refer to mega kyogre/groudon as 'primal' versions instead of mega evolutions. They could be the first mega 'mons you encounter in the game which is the first sighting of them in that region, then after that (maybe even post game) you find out that your starter (and a whole lot of other Pokemon) can do the same. Although probably not. You'll probably hear about mega evolution from Steven in granite cave or something and get your starter's mega stone really early...

Also, primal Kyogre and Groudon are a 'regression' ? Like going back to an ancient time where weather lasted longer than 5 turns? Perma-weather lfgi
 
Gokuzbu said:
[on Marts separate from Poké Centers]
That seems pretty pointless. Sure it makes the remakes more authentic, but so would TMs not being reusable and there not being a physical special split. Function over form.
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I beg to differ. Remember that awesome Mart theme from RSE? If the Marts and the Poké Centers were in the same building, we wouldn't get the Mart music.

Bring on the piano!
 
PlatypusPrincess said:
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Groudon got something new too...

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cant say said:
Like going back to an ancient time where weather lasted longer than 5 turns?
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hahahahaha, I guess the generation of Pokemon that ended less than a year ago is already "an ancient time" haha
But yeah, a lot of people are speculating that Primal guys will get re-buffed versions of Drizzle and Drought. For some reason I kind of doubt they will but I wouldn't complain if they did. It's fun to use Thunder on all your Uber Pokemon. Either way Primal Pokemon being a "regression" is a real fun concept.
 
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/03.html

On here and PK's page, the text suggest that Primal Groudon gets a Special Attack (とくこう ?) boost alongside Attack , and that Primal Kyogre gets an Attack (こうげき ?) boost, which hopefully aren't taking up too much of the stat boosts. The new moves and boosted abilities hopefully will make them valuable. Rock Polish Groudon is sure to be interesting.
 
I can imagine Primal Groudon getting a Special Attack boost. The added Fire-typing makes me think that Game Freak's trying to put more emphasis on it's sun-related abilities - added damage to Fire attacks, Solar Beam access etc., Eruption etc. These attacks are all special, so it makes sense in a way. The image posted above by Noel Lopunny looks like a special Ground attack as well, like Earth Power but stronger.
 
Sun Sol said:
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/oras/pokemon/03.html

On here and PK's page, the text suggest that Primal Groudon gets a Special Attack (とくこう ?) boost alongside Attack , and that Primal Kyogre gets an Attack (こうげき ?) boost, which hopefully aren't taking up too much of the stat boosts. The new moves and boosted abilities hopefully will make them valuable. Rock Polish Groudon is sure to be interesting.
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One little problem with that page.
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It's harder to work out than fucking braille
 
Kurona said:
One little problem with that page.
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It's harder to work out than fucking braille
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Oh, come on... you can't just use Google translate or Bling for that.

It's really saying that Kyogre gets an Attack boost whilst Groudon gets a Special Attack boost.

My Japanese is around Level 4, fyi.
 
If the two Primal forms get reversed attack buffs it means a lot more for Groudon.

Like has been said Primal Groudon will now get STAB on moves like Eruption (lets be honest Eruption and Water Spout aren't "signature" moves but they were made for these 2 guys, yet Groudon has 0 reasons to use it before) But give it a sp.atk buff and now there's a long list of moves including things like Fire moves (Eruption),Solar beam, or even Thunder/Thunderbolt for catching Primal Kyogre on the Switch, that Primal Groudon can make use of. And lets not forget it gave up 2 weakness for only 1 additional one. (x4 from x2 water weakness doesn't really change much, it was gonna die to Hydro Pumps and Water Spouts anyway) With STAB Fire and supposedly increased Sp.atk Groudon suddenly is a Physical Tank with very unique Mixed attacking capabilities that can't be burned!! (Ho-Oh sheds a tear) It has tons more potential and if nothing else it will at least start having much large amounts of variety in it's move sets.

What does Kyogre get? an atk boost? I guess it can use the move Frustration now, lol. While Groudon has a movepool over populated with special moves aching to be used, Kyogre is left with a short list of physical moves that basically every Pokemon in the whole game learns anyways. Earthquake is the only attack it could start using that is an alternative type to everything already in it's special movepool, and return is like the only other stand out move.

To be honest I always felt like Kyogre overshadowed Groudon in a lot of ways. So I'm not complaining if Groudon can play a little catch up. I just wanna say. If Groudon IS getting a sp.atk buff then... DAMN Groudon.

EDIT: All the above is assuming neither of their movepools change all that much. Which probably is a not too safe assumption.
 
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Press release:

These two extremely powerful Pokémon clashed in an epic battle that once sent Groudon into a long slumber within the magma beneath the planet’s crust and drove Kyogre into a deep sleep at the bottom of the ocean floor. The awesome transformation is a result of Primal Reversion, when Groudon and Kyogre reclaim their original power from nature’s energy and obtain even greater power than they already have. The power within Primal Reversion is still being discovered, as well as what connection may lie between Primal Reversion and Mega Evolution.

Primal Groudon is brimming with energy, which pours from its body as magma. The magma burns at such an extreme temperature that its body is always shimmering ruby red from the haze of its heat, giving off light in the darkness. Through Primal Reversion, Primal Groudon becomes much larger and adds Fire type to its Ground type, raising the power of Fire-type moves it can learn. Primal Reversion greatly boosts Primal Groudon’s Attack. Its Ability may get a boost during this epic transformation, too.

Primal Kyogre, a Water-type Pokémon, is awash with energy that spills from its body as seawater. Its blue skin shines like a sapphire and is half-translucent like the sea. Primal Reversion greatly boosts Primal Kyogre’s Special Attack. Its Ability also seems to get a boost, although this information cannot yet be confirmed. Primal Kyogre is massive, growing to be more than twice Kyogre’s size.
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http://pokebeach.com/2014/06/e3-pokemon-omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire-release-dates
 
I see both "Attack" and "Special Attack" in Groudon's Japanese page. It seems to me both are increased (and maybe Speed too, but I'd have to double-check and I can't be arsed).
 
Mario With Lasers said:
I see both "Attack" and "Special Attack" in Groudon's Japanese page. It seems to me both are increased (and maybe Speed too, but I'd have to double-check and I can't be arsed).
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I think what I said would still apply in this case though, right? Groudon's atk is already base 100, even if it just goes to base 120 or something its big list of special moves (especially fire ones) become a lot more usable. Meanwhile Kyorge still doesn't really have any physical options other than EQ.

Also if either of them get any speed boost that'll be a Huge deal! I feel like the majority of Box Legendaries operate at base 90 (or at least bellow 100), and they're already 90.
 
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Sun Sol said:
Despite being Special-orinated, Mega Mewtwo Y got an equal Attack boost to it's Special Attack, so I expect PG/PK to get +40 offenses, and +10 defenses.
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100/190/150/140/100/90 ..?

Though I expect a partial speed bump on both to 100, but that wouldn't make much sense considering they actually get larger.
 
I'm actually hoping for a somewhat signficant boost to Sceptile's Attack. With its new STAB, something like this could be interesting:

Sceptile @ Sceptilite(?)
Ability: LightningRod
Nature: Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Dragon Claw
-Drain Punch

While its new typing isn't all sunshine and roses, we cannot deny the offensive boon. No longer is Sceptile necessarily forced to run a Grass move. The loss of Giga Drain would be no big deal with Drain Punch available. Sceptile could present a great annoyance to stall with this set, applying offensive pressure and forcing switches (this set really gives Rotom-W the finger). Support from hazards would help it out a lot too. But of course this is all just theory. Maybe I'm missing something.

Thoughts?
 
Mega Sceptile is a Grass/Dragon-type, while the other two maintain their type. Groudon and Kyogre’s Mega Evolutions are known as Atom Groudon and Atom Kyogre and are said to be an atomic regression.
 
Draco Blue said:
Sceptile @ Sceptilite(?)
Ability: LightningRod
Nature: Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-Dragon Claw
-Drain Punch
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Looks like a fun Set.

It'll be cool as the only Dragon capable of Seeding enemies. Drain Punch provides better coverage than Giga Drain but it means after you seed a Fairy from behind your sub you can't do much else to them besides switch out (not that Fairies are that plentiful for now and Azumaril should think twice before taking on a Mega Sceptile) Still it's definitely a set no other Pokemon is capable of pulling off and that could get real pesky real fast. (watch out for Icicle Spear and Bug Buzz though)

The unknown is how polarized mega Sceptile's new stat upgrades will be. I wonder how much upgrade will go into it's differences? It has more weaknesses now but it would have better than average bulk for something with that much speed if it just got around +20 in each. It doesn't need a speed upgrade for the most part but I'm really hoping it get's just enough that Greninja can't revenge kill it. (although with your set it can Drain punch the sucker after they break your sub and turn Ice Type) Anyway I think most Sceptile fans are hoping for some what equal boosts in both offenses given it's physical movepool. I know I am.
 
praj.pran said:
Mega Sceptile is a Grass/Dragon-type, while the other two maintain their type. Groudon and Kyogre’s Mega Evolutions are known as Atom Groudon and Atom Kyogre and are said to be an atomic regression.
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I believe that they're called Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon, and their Mega Evolutions are technically called Ancient Devolutions (which I'm pretty sure are quite similar to Mega Evolutions).
 
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