You're right, I didn't go in and accurately dissect and disseminate individual arguments for each and individual ban because they would detract from the original point and get mired in the details - something which you're very frequently opposed to in your own posts. So sorry for being generic and general, to a knee-jerk community where at best it's extremely difficult to get your point across.Yes I took that as an insult because everytime a suspect takes place or a complaint happens it's attributed to the OU Council under the premise we sit around and do jack shit. No saying "I don't know whether to argue this" is far from childish because I read the entirety of your post while you tried to explain in some generic broad detail why anything we've banned has arguments for being a positive reinforcement to the tier. So excuse me if I came off childish to your response that made me facepalm a little bit when you claimed Landorus "wasn't crazy". The irony of ego is amusing when you had to throw out the antic of screen-shotting a post that I had to address because it just sounds absolutely ridiculous no matter what tone you assume is articulated in a mature way. Let's call that point a stalemate because you're in no higher realm of maturity with that equally snarky response lol but sure thing.
I don't know what you think is childish or egotistical about screen-shotting, I was literally looking to make you accountable for your poor attitude. I'm not an ego-driven or social media loving kind of guy, but I do believe in accountability. I'm extremely sorry for that.
Me stating Landorus "wasn't crazy" was just me phrasing things to as broad an audience as possible. However I'm a well educated man, if you want me to step my game up by proving I can articulate myself well (which by the way is horrendous on a board that should be multicultural such as this) I verily can. Good job at "keeping above it all and not lowering yourself" to respond the little people, btw.
If you're so jaded with the complaints of the fanbase and suggestions to improvements, I suggest you step down as a mod. Otherwise, suck it up.How is that a problem that we don't satisfy those under the presumed 50% benchmark. With the tiering system in its current system in absolute disarray because it only requires a hypocritical ladder requisite to obtain voting rights in tiering systems that put more emphasis and value on tournament play to begin with? Please elaborate how we provide a venue for you to voice your opinion , no matter if you care about OU what so ever, and all of a sudden because there is no united opinion on the matter it's all of a sudden not appeasing to those that don't get their way? You do realize that every single ban thus far was a result of a meta shift correct especially noticeable in this generation where it took around 2 years for Landorus to actually get the boot as a result of a combination of multiple bans and meta-game shifts. Also the Aegislash re-test taught us one thing in that people are not open to re-tests and don't want to engage in adding more higher caliber threats to just to cover what is an assumption of an issue (in your case Clefable). This point is pretty applicable to about anything we would re-test. I honestly doubt bringing stuff back down is going to foster better results for the tier. Out of all the things we can do and try to do for the betterment tier this seems like a flawed idea.
This really isn't about Clefable nor was it ever, as I said it is the product of multiple bannings. You immediately discourage re-testing on one data point, and you also don't consider re-testing stuff together (i.e. in the mid-generational shift). However you want to shake it, the data is poor for the testing.
I guess we should all take your "honest doubt" as verbatim fact for what is good for the tier.
Thanks for the naysaying framed as a "serious question", really I'm glad you think me worthy of questioning rather than not just shutting down with snippy bullish one-liners like normal. Yes of course I played then and yes it was bad, just look at my join date. Your seriously think anyone's join date would massively pre-date their play date?I can't tell by your join date or w/e but have you actually played a meta-game with Deoxys in it? Serious question because in a meta-game that progressed more towards a state with emphasis on hazards and funnily enough one huge reason Clefable is successful is due to its anti-hazard traits and capitalizing on said hazards, I'm failing to see the line where re-testing Deoxys is a good idea for the sake of a tier where we try to entertain high level competition in the perfect world. I don't know why people use M-Sableye as the justification that Deoxys would be ok. I mean....really?!? So Deoxys usage would all of a sudden be omitted due to M-Sableye and we just disregard that the M-Sableye user can also use Deoxys. I'm not sure about you but on top of the point about Clefable, centralizing the tier around Spikes through Deoxys usage, and putting more focused emphasis on hazards where do I sit back and say "wow that's a good idea".
I'm not saying Deo-D usage would have been omitted, and you know I'm not, but it was never really looked at thoroughly alongside M-Sableye. Again, deeply sorry for lining out obvious facts.
Well statistically, randomized group sampling is better than systematic group sampling. Isn't that basic math? Sorry to be glib, but you're asking how to make this selection more open - well, there you go.No I don't know what you mean by obviously? Do I just pick whoever to test these things and go off of them and say "looks good ha" disregarding that bottom 50% you put emphasis on earlier? Maybe some clarification on how we select the pool of players as if we already don't put a heavy emphasis on utilizing a small pool of people with the way suspect votes are held would be nice.
I would appreciate if you respond to all these points, particularly those where a good vocabulary is necessary for an argument to be considered valid by you (in particular, "crazy - [which I never used by the way]" as a suitable adjective for a 140 base 252+ Atk STAB attack for a multi-ethnic multi-lingual fanbase apparently not also being suitable for discourse with the mods).
Again screen-shotted, and not for reasons of my own vanity as you so lovingly implied.