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Good stall breakers? It's destroying me on the suspect ladder :(
Mega gardevoir, mega Houndoom, mega gyarados, and Kyurem-b are good choices.
CM or 4 Attacks Landorus-I sets also work to decent effect (though on the suspect ladder Giratina-O is probably what's stopping you). Most of the above noted mons can break it though, so I can at least vouch for their effectiveness.
Since you are playing suspect I would simply use powerful Fairy types, mega Gardevoir with Hyper Voice allows you to kill Giratina-o even under a Substitute, Mega Diancie is immune to wow, actually it passes the burn to Giratina, ruining it for the rest of the match, mega Altaria can use heal Bell to protect itself against burns, and Return/Hyper Voice are enough to scare it off.
Kyurem-black is also another good choice, but it won't have an easier time coming in against Dragon stabs/subs, make sure to make it faster than Giratina, though.
Kyurem-black is also another good choice, but it won't have an easier time coming in against Dragon stabs/subs, make sure to make it faster than Giratina, though.
Crap, i have to stop to say stupid things :/
Is CM giratina the most common used on stall? Thanks Celticpride for the correction anyway :]
Is CM giratina the most common used on stall? Thanks Celticpride for the correction anyway :]
Does roar work against a pokemon using shadow force?
A boring meta where you always see the same pokemon over and over again.
Yeah this isn't exactly true. It's a meta where creativity isn't allowed to flourish due to certain meta-game trends and extreme team-building restrictions.
Is there a chance for Pokemon to be unbanned in ORAS, although they were banned in XY? For ex. Genesect, Aegi and M-Luc are IMO pokis, that could be suspect tested in OU again.
In addition: Is there a possibility to split OU into 2 tiers? I mean current OU is total garbage and the power creep ORAS delivered doesn't help either xD SO why not just make a new tier next to OU which is some kind of SubOU where all the broken pokis are banned (or make a new one called SubUber, so that all the broken stuff could be banned from OU)? I mean OU just got sooooo big, we really need a new tier in-between. This way we could also unban some of the Pokis from Uber (Aegi/ Gene/ M-Luc).
In addition: Is there a possibility to split OU into 2 tiers? I mean current OU is total garbage and the power creep ORAS delivered doesn't help either xD SO why not just make a new tier next to OU which is some kind of SubOU where all the broken pokis are banned (or make a new one called SubUber, so that all the broken stuff could be banned from OU)? I mean OU just got sooooo big, we really need a new tier in-between. This way we could also unban some of the Pokis from Uber (Aegi/ Gene/ M-Luc).
Some may be retested when the meta stabilizes if the community was split at the time, but for some like Mega Lucario and Mega Mawile it's less likely because most players were pretty adamant about them being banned
Not entirely sure where you're going with this. As far as I can tell, you want to create a ladder where things that are broken now are banned and we bring back stuff that was already deemed broken into the tier. If I'm understanding you correctly, I really doubt this will ever happen. The closest you'll probably get to this is the no Mega Ladder, which at least removes the Megas which are arguably the biggest causes of the power creep.
Not even close xD
What I'm basically saying is, that OU has sooooooo many threats, that making this tier balanced (outside of banning all the broken Megas) is just impossible. The best way would be to split OU into 2 different tiers, let's say into OUup and OUdown. OUup would basically be the OU of today. OUdown would be a "balanced" version of OU, where Pokis like M-Metagross/ M-Altaria/ Lando-T etc are banned, but other pokis are still there (like M-Alakazam/ Tran/ M-Lop etc.).
I just think that the "balanced" OU we once knew is a thing of the past will never happen again. We have to split OU into 2 tiers and OUdown would be the closest to what most people wanted as a "balanced OU".
IN ADDITION (this was just a guess) in OUup we could unban some Pokis from Uber like Aegi or Genesect.
Except we never justified those megas as being broken... That's just your opinion on those specific pokemon which you have a hard time dealing with. Basically what you're saying is we'd suspect everything we have problems dealing with and just make a seperate metagame without them.
Can't wait for that OU ladder that lacks magikarps.. those things are tough to deal with.
Okay, that makes a little more sense. Let me address this more thoroughly.
The big issue I see with this idea is this: how are you going to determine what is too broken for OUdown? Right now OU and UU are split using usage data because it's the most objective data we can use. However, if we're splitting OU, then we'd likely need another set of criteria. We can use usage data, but what do you make the cut-off point? There are a lot of mons with high usage values that aren't necessarily broken like Garchomp and Clefable. I don't know about you, but I don't see a good cut-off percentage that captures the good mons you want banned without OUup taking a bunch of random non-broken mons with it. You could have a council determine what's broken, but creating tiers based entirely on a council's decision is very subjective and would displease a huge portion of the player base.
There's also the issue of whether it's worth the effort to bother maintaining the tier. The difference between OU and UU (not counting BL mons) is about 50 mons. Just how many mons do you want banned from OUdown? If you ban too many OUdown is UU with a crapton of things they have to ban. Ban too few and you're just playing OU with random mons stripped from the tier. Even if you ban 20, that's a pretty small difference between usage-based tiers considering most tiers ban a little under 60 mons by usage. It's similar to why there's no tier between OU and Ubers: the difference in the tier is so small that there isn't a large enough pool of supporters to merit the extra effort.
WTF, what are you talking about? Read my post again xD
A lot of people agree that OU has just too many things to consider when building a team (team match-up etc.), I just wanted to suggest that we could split OU into 2 tiers, since the OU we know today is far from being balanced. This is what tiers are for.
Every 3-4 years a new generation will start and new Pokemon will be added to the game. In like 10 years we will have around 1200 Pokemon, it will be sheer impossible to distribute them among the 5 current tiers (Uber, OU, UU, RU, NU). Eventually, we will HAVE to add some new tiers in-between. And I think, the time has come to add a new tier between OU and UU. That's what I'm basically saying. Read my posts correctly instead of adding some sarcastic crap xD
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That's the thing I personally am not sure about either. But what would we lose from testing this "new tier"? We could start with randomly "banning" some Pokis from OUdown and see how it develops. Sep by step we could change a few things (like banning or unbanning certain pokes) Maybe after 1-2 months those 2 tiers (OUup & OUdown) will establish themselves? I mean, we won't lose anything from testing it and personally I don't think it is a bad idea to solve this "OU is far from balanced"-problem.
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I could, but all you get as an answer (if you are a rather new and uinexperienced member) is that you don't hold the whip hand xD
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252 HP / 136 Def / 120 Spe with a Bold nature is what would probably be best. Speed creeps SDef Gliscor.
Just curious, why invest in G-Os HP when its base stat is so absurdly high?
Because... I'm lazy? There's probably bulk benchmarks but I only did speed creeping.
The usage system already accommodates this. As the number of mons grow so does the number of tiers. That's why RBY and GSC only have 2 tiers. If the player base supports it, then we'll add official usage tiers as the number of mons grows. In addition, since Game Freak power creeps, mons that are OU now can and likely will be pushed down to lower tiers over time. Worst comes to worst, we'll just have a huge number of mons in NU; even in NU a meta establishes such that not every NU mon gets used.
It takes us 1-2 months to determine if 1 mon is broken in OU. Think about how long it'll take to do it for 12-15 mons. That is at least another year on top of OU suspects, perhaps 2, perhaps more if you test mons that were banned, and you yourself can't determine a good cut-off percentage for OUdown because the "broken mons" are scattered throughout the usage stats. Further, you can't just ban 10 mons and call it a day; need to ban about 25 mons to create a tier between OU and UU. As I said before, ban too few and it's just OU with salty bans, and ban too many and it's just UU with even more work required to balance the tier. Also, how are you going to find 25-30 broken mons to ban? I'm more than willing to bet you're going to start banning stuff that isn't broken to meet that quota. Come testing time, when something in OUdown is deemed broken, are you going to ban things that would have been checked with mons you banned or ban the mon in question? If a random check you brought in starts upsetting the tier, are you going to reban it or further bring in banned mons?
Your proposal has a huge number of logistical problems, and what's your net result? A tier that's about 25 mons smaller than OU. A player base made entirely from salty OU players is not nearly large enough to merit that much work. If you think that OU has too many problems, your best bet is to just participate in suspect tests, get reqs, and cast votes.
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