M-alt has just dropped. I'd say that maybe you should wait awhile for this nomination, tbh. Let the meta settle for a bit,y'know.View attachment 61568 M-Altaria A- --> A
Well this one will probably stir up debate. M-Altaria is probably one of the better mega in OU in my opinion. This is like the slower, bulkier M-Gardevoir in a way. M-Altaria's typing is very unique and great for some team synergy. This Pokemon also has great physical, special and defensive rolls in the meta. Once M-Altaria sets up you better hope you have a Scizor to BP because this thing can sweep a team. This Pokemon has reliable recovery, good coverage, and a great typing. This is like the bulkier M-Gardevoir. And that speed is patched by DD. I honestly think M-Altaria should in no way be in M-Gardevoir's shadow as it is at the time being.
How does his bulk make up for his lack of speed? He can't wallbreak nearly as hard as someone as Keldeo and Infernape and as a tank Conkeldurr struggles a lot against mons like Zard X, M-Venusaur, M-Alt, Clefable and the likes. Mons like AV Tangrowth and AV Tornadus-T fill much more uses as damage walls thanks to typing and abilities. Not to say Conkeldurr isn't usable, just he's kind of lacking too many niches at this moment.Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but why is Conkeldurr in C+? The assault vest set is really good, being able to tank strong special and physical hits alike, as well as dishing out hard damage with that base 140 attack. Guts allows him to be a great status absorber, making him a great partner for literally any set up sweeper, as any status gives him Choice Band caliber power. Drain Punch, Mach Punch, and Knock Off are all he needs to be an excellent utility for any team in need of a fighting type. Conk also has a good set in the sheer force LO set. I guess C+ just seems low to me.
conk in general just doesnt do a lot other fighting types in the tier do. its overly reliant on drain punch which is really weak stab, and its too slow to seriously threaten offense. 90% of all stall has an answer to it in sableye, it doesnt have sd, and the other fighting types in the tier like breloom, terrakion, keld, lop, etc just offer more than conk ever could. Also the av set is kind of terrible imo i would only ever use LO + SF.Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but why is Conkeldurr in C+? The assault vest set is really good, being able to tank strong special and physical hits alike, as well as dishing out hard damage with that base 140 attack. Guts allows him to be a great status absorber, making him a great partner for literally any set up sweeper, as any status gives him Choice Band caliber power. Drain Punch, Mach Punch, and Knock Off are all he needs to be an excellent utility for any team in need of a fighting type. Conk also has a good set in the sheer force LO set. I guess C+ just seems low to me.
While it is true that Volcanion's presence is annoying for bulky grass types, it's not like Volcanion is the only Fire type that is used in OU. The existence of Talonflame, Zard X and Y, and even stuff like Volcarona and Victini have always threatened these grass types, and they've all still maintained a great amount of usefulness.The introduction of Volcanion has kind of undone the (formerly) increasing trend of the usage of Bulky Grass types such as Amoonguss, Tangrowth, Ferrothorn, Mega Venusaur, as all of these mons are OHKO'd (and a 2HKO on Venu) with one Fire Blast, and what can these Pokemon do against it in return? Absolutely nothing.
It is true that waters are annoyed by Volcanion's presence to some degree, but you've underestimated what those pokes can do back.And it isn't like Water types are very good at stopping Volcanion either. Many of the popular ones, such as Rotom-Wash, Keldeo, Manaphy, Quagsire, Gyarados, and Azumarill are being 2HKO'd by a Steam Eruption, HP Grass, or Sludge Bomb, and Volcanion is bulky enough to take on most of these guys. It seems as if Volcanion's existence has kind of disregarded both Water and Grass types.
Can't agree here. 'Relatively obscure niche' is sufficient grounds in itself for the D rank, and a comparisons with Terrakion, Mega Lop and Megacham are not apt because none of those function anything like Pangoro. You don't use Pangoro -in place of- those Pokemon.i got you bludzD to Unranked
Going off what I said in the above noms, Fighting-types are incredible right now, but Pangoro does not lie in that criteria. With competition such as Terrakion, Mega Medicham, and Mega Lopunny there's very little reason to even consider Pangoro with so many better options that are despite it's relatively obscure niche, simply put, so much better than it.
more controversial nom
A -> A-
Mega Gyarados is really starting to struggle to cement itself a solid place in the metagame. With Grass-types such as Physically Defensive Tangrowth and Amoonguss seeing a ton more usage and Fighting-types more prominent than ever, it doesn't really fit the criteria of an A, especially a ranking occupied by Mega Latias and Mega Medicham. Obviously when supported very well it's incredibly scary to face, but the support it requires to function as well as it'd like is what holds it back.
A few other noms I has were Thundurus-T to C+ and Conkeldurr to C, but i suppose they may be more controversial. Thundurus-T faces huge competition from Thundurus-I and with the recent decline of electric-types a drop would be fit for it and Conkeldurr fits the Pangoro argument, that there is very little reason to even use it when there are better options available.
Um what? This isn't uu and afaik uu is the only place the bulk nidoqueen has actually does something significant. Queen runs modest because it doesn't have a good speed tier,but even then you can argue it should run timid too for stuff like jolly loom and to outspeed most rotom. Furthermore nidos have terrible matchup vs other hazard setters and removers and have to give up extremely valuable coverage for rocks, so imo neither should be running rocks in the first place.Just saying that if Nidoking really goes up then so should Nidoqueen. Poison/Ground is becoming ridiculously good nowadays and Nidoqueen still hits pretty hard, especially since it can afford to run Modest. Queen also sets up rocks much easier, so it should go up to at least B- imo.
Hell yes. Not only is Heracross my favorite Pokémon to use, but it's stupidly powerful and quite bulky as well. Speaking of bulk, the bulky offensive spread has also gained a lot of popularity now, making it harder to kill while still keeping it an offensive behemoth. This guy's also right about stall taking over the ladder: the rise of Amoonguss and Quagsire to OU speak for themselves.Mega Heracross B+ --> A- or higher
M-Heracross is currently one of the most underrated megas right now. It really has very few counters. If a team is able to keep up offensive momentum with Volt-Turn and it's "counters" are weakened this thing gets a kill everytime it comes out. For example, Unaware Clefable is sometimes used as a counter to Mega Heracross.
252 Atk Mega Heracross Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Clefable: 160-190 (40.7 - 48.3%) -- approx. 62.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, sandstorm damage, and Leftovers recovery
Yeah, no. If you're able to force Clefable out once it can no longer switch in to Mega Heracross. Same thing for Skarmory.
+2 252 Atk Mega Heracross Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 205-245 (61.3 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
You force something out, SD on the switch then destroy.
Not to mention if Mega Heracross is paired with Kyurem-B, nothing can counter the both of them. Mega Heracross's common "counters" are easily destroyed by Kyurem-B and vice versa.
Mega Heracross can also be surprisingly bulky. It has 80/115/105 bulk which is nothing to laugh at, and it also has a surprisingly good defensive typing. It serves as a counter to Bisharp,Breloom,Landorus-T,Excadrill,and Hippowdon. Also with the rise of stall teams on the ladder,with Hoopa-U gone, Mega Heracross serves as a substitute to Hoopa as it decimates stall teams,as shown by the calcs above.
If Mega Heracross is played correctly and is put on the right team it cannot be countered. It should definitely be above B+ imo.
I agree. I believe Mega Heracross should rise to at least -A, as very few pokemon can switch into this monster and even the ones that can struggle to still beat Heracross 1 on 1 because of Mega Heracross's great bulk. Currently the only pokemon that "truly" counter Heracross are Doublade and Acrobatics Gliscor, and those pokemon are not used very often. While I do think that Heracross' poor speed and 4x weakness to flying really hold it back from being amazing, I still think that is on par with many other -A pokemon, and does not deserve to be in B+.Mega Heracross B+ --> A- or higher
M-Heracross is currently one of the most underrated megas right now. It really has very few counters. If a team is able to keep up offensive momentum with Volt-Turn and it's "counters" are weakened this thing gets a kill everytime it comes out. For example, Unaware Clefable is sometimes used as a counter to Mega Heracross.
252 Atk Mega Heracross Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Unaware Clefable: 160-190 (40.7 - 48.3%) -- approx. 62.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock, sandstorm damage, and Leftovers recovery
Yeah, no. If you're able to force Clefable out once it can no longer switch in to Mega Heracross. Same thing for Skarmory.
+2 252 Atk Mega Heracross Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 205-245 (61.3 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
You force something out, SD on the switch then destroy.
Not to mention if Mega Heracross is paired with Kyurem-B, nothing can counter the both of them. Mega Heracross's common "counters" are easily destroyed by Kyurem-B and vice versa.
Mega Heracross can also be surprisingly bulky. It has 80/115/105 bulk which is nothing to laugh at, and it also has a surprisingly good defensive typing. It serves as a counter to Bisharp,Breloom,Landorus-T,Excadrill,and Hippowdon. Also with the rise of stall teams on the ladder,with Hoopa-U gone, Mega Heracross serves as a substitute to Hoopa as it decimates stall teams,as shown by the calcs above.
If Mega Heracross is played correctly and is put on the right team it cannot be countered. It should definitely be above B+ imo.