Token special attacker:
i specifically said meloetta p which is outclassed by mega lopunny. i thought i made that very clear? Melo-p is in general a shitmon with how awful it is to have to get off a relic song from low speed each time you come in. youre already taking damage from lo recoil, entry hazards, and rocky helm as it is, and then you need to take a hit to get relic song up.
And this is why I feel it should remain in D. With all the current Pokemon in C- and above pretty much, they aren't exactly hoping to get off a move like Meloetta does, this is why I prefer SubCM Meloetta over all other sets. When Meloetta comes in, only half of its moveset is usable, though, one can argue knock off is always usable, it's not going to be hurting too many things in her Aria Form. Outside of the thinnest piece of paper weak to it. After Meloetta comes in once, the opponent knows it's mixed, and they likely aren't going to just give you the free Relic song to clean house. Where as Lopunny ALWAYS will have Fake Out to guarantee it gets a free form change, and Mega Lopunny doesn't have to do this every time it comes in. Meloetta can be a threat, I cannot disagree with that, as I said, I was part of the few fighting for Meloetta's placement in D, but it most certainly should not get a raise.
Your arrogance isn't helping your case at all lol. You should invest in getting the right calcs before you pop off at the mouth.
Yeah that'd be well and good if Relic Song wasn't a pretty good move in and of it's own right. It's still 75 BP with 20% sleep. Sure ghosts absorb it but only Sable really kinda wants to be in on Meloetta in any capacity. If it's predicted, LO Meloetta still hits Gengar
While I am personally on the fence of Sylveon dropping, I don't think it should go unranked, at least not until it drops from OU to UU (which I personally am pessimistic about). Yes, Volcanion does make its life harder, but it can still hit like a truck and pivot out with Baton Pass. Its Special Defense isn't anything to sneeze at, either. However, it should not be your first choice for a teamslot, as there are many other Pokemon that can do its job better.
I don't think this is necessary since our A+ ranking is not as bloated as BW2's (22 vs. 32 if I counted correctly), plus we don't need to introduce arguing about sub-subranks for "exact" placements. Nothing wrong with having a little bit of leeway.
We used to have rank descriptions, but they were removed because people were relying on them too much when nominating instead of making substantial arguments. Or something like that, they were deleted a while ago.
What is there to explain? It's basically adding more divisions within the rank and they do not have proper definition comparable to the a-/a/a+ system currently. Their will always be discrepancy between the Pokemon writhin the ranks (which is kinda unavoidable), but at least by adding more sub-divisions, these differences can be stretched out and divided as best as possible. I didn't say their needs to be as many divisions as the gen 5 rankings have.
Maybe it was unclear why I chose Volcanion but Volc's pure damage output, faster speed and similar role pushes Sylveon's spec set's viability even farther back. Edit: I should mention that there isn't an assumption that they have coverage that is the least bit comparable. However, my assumption made is you're not going to pack on a ton of spec/LO special attackers on most offensive teams and their stats do fall similarly enough to be compared in a position of generic Special damage threat.
The thing is that Sylveon shouldn't be included. It's a lot more immediately threatening than Clefable with a Specs set, while also having much better special defense than the Tank-Fable set. There is also Calm Mind Baton Pass which is amazing against balanced teams and it's also a lot more threatening offensively than Celebi with said set. Both these niches aren't the most important for sure and both Celebi and Clefable have many niches (arguably more important niches most of the time) that Sylveon does not have, but that's where the difference between S / B+ and C- is drawn. Unranking Sylveon is implying Specs is completely outclassed by other offensive fairies and CM BP is completely outclassed by Celebi, which obviously isn't the case.
Just to note that I think comparing the discussion from that thread is kinda not totally just able as the mons were ranked within their respective ranks. We also have a rankings council here which would make the ultimate decisions on the placements as well. The philosophy of tiering and divisions discrepancy will always be scrutinized by player subjectives no matter what the rankings system is based on also. I find the differential viability within a lot of the "Top Threats" in the OU metagame atm is kinda varied, so implementing a system like this can maybe remedy this problem. Just my view on this.
