Can we move up cloyster to B-? I think its a great Tspiker and applies pressure very well with shell smash
The thing about cloyster I feel is that there are other mons that do its job better than it. Example being greninja. Greninja is MUCH faster and has access to taunt as well as ghost protean moves that allow it to block spinners/defoggers and proceed to set up t spikes and spikes. The thing about cloyster is that even with shell smash, it is not to hard to take it down, for starters it loses to other leads to an extent. Deoxys or gren can taunt it, pretty much shutting it down. Shell smash in this meta doesnt give you high enough stats to scare away notable mons such as Primal Groudon, Primal Kyogre, etc. So while cloyster can be argued to move up, I feel like its job is better left to other mons that can do it better.
I have said it earlier in the post before, but I still really feel like yveltal should move up. The mon is very hard to switch into, with its movepool, it can hit anything pretty hard on the switch if predicted. Its weaknesses I feel are easily handled with proper teambuilding, as well as reliable recovery and utility moves such as u turn and taunt. Also boasting a variety of sets to fit onto a team at hand. Defensive lets you deal with things such as e killer, mega mence, primal groudon, etc. I really think that this mon should be considered moving up, as it has a lot of pros to it that I feel outweighs the cons that it possesses.
Last edited by a moderator: