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Banned deucer.
I'm confused about sleep still. If it's the mechanics of gen 5, wouldn't Crocune not be coming back with a vengeance? Plz explain.
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Crocune would be able to stay asleep forever thanks to Sleep Talk triggering Rest's effect despite it already being asleep. And the sleep clause doesn't apply to a Pokemon using Rest.
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Banned deucer.
OIC so sleep works like gen 5 (restarts on switch-out) but Sleep Talk/Rest is basically what threw me off.
Yeah, some people don't remember ResTalk at its peak. I think it's one of the bigger factors as to why G/S/C was so stall oriented.
canno
formerly The Reptile
Does this include other form changes? If so, we get things like Darm being a monster.
I for one welcome our new seahorse overlords.
Giga Impact Slaking is totally a usable thing now. Crustle and Rhyperior also get an accurate, powerful, semi-reliable rock STAB.
I'd argue that Low Sweep should be reverted to 60 BP, because the only reason anyone would have ever been caught dead using it in a competitive battle was the technician boost.
And Hidden Power's 70 BP can be reverted to 60 to maintain the technician boost by just reducing an IV or two; you guys know this, right?
Aegislash's pre-evolution, Doublade, has 110 Attack, and I made a rule that if a stat goes down because of evolution, then that stat is no longer dropped.
Form changes don't apply, so Rotom-W doesn't get a 91 Speed, Shaymin Land form doesn't get 127 Speed, etc..., so god forbid Darmanitan getting mammoth offenses and defenses.
canno
formerly The Reptile
Er, not quite. To reach 60 BP Hidden Power, you need to lower a good amount of IVs. 59 requires you to lower less - more importantly, lets you keep higher speed, but the IVs for SpA are damaged more heavily. But yes, your point does stand - Hidden Power could always be abused by Technician, it just used to be a bit more tricky.
Full article on this here
That's a very good argument. By definition, getting 5 more power makes it an improvement, but no one ever uses it anymore because Technician no longer powers it up. But the thing is I'd have to nerf it to buff it in another way, so I don't know how I'd feel about that. I'll think about it.
Doublade has 110 attack, and evolutions' base stat reductions are being ignored.
This also applies to:
Vivillon (60 def)
Escavalier (60 spe)
Tangrowth (60 spe)
Masquerain (65 spe)
Pelipper (85 spe)
Beautifly (55 def)
Politoed (90 spe)
Poliwrath (90 spe)
in addition to the cases listed earlier in the thread.
Valman what about Darm-z? Would it get 140 Atk and 95 Spe?
On the topic of stat buffs:
Electivire can find more sweeping opportunities with a Choice Band set thanks to having 105 base speed.
Salamence can take physical hits better now with 100 base defense, making physical priority less of an issue.
As I mentioned before, Scizor now has 105 base speed, easily differentiating himself from Mega Scizor as an off-the-bat attacker.
Electivire can find more sweeping opportunities with a Choice Band set thanks to having 105 base speed.
Salamence can take physical hits better now with 100 base defense, making physical priority less of an issue.
As I mentioned before, Scizor now has 105 base speed, easily differentiating himself from Mega Scizor as an off-the-bat attacker.
Darmanitan-Zen and regular Darmanitan won't be able to pass stat buffs between each other, since they're just different forms, not one being the evolution of another. This also applies to all other form changes.
I'd like to point out that sleep talk isn't actually at gen2 mechanics since gen2 couldn't call up moves with no PP and the like.
If I did my research properly, then the inability to call up moves with 0PP only happened in ADV. I could be wrong, but I have confidence in Bulbapedia's data.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but does Kyurem-B now get 130 SpA because Kyurem drops the SpA by 10 when changing forms? And same goes for Deoxys-formes, do they now have 50 / 180 / 160 / 180 / 160 / 180, because that's basically a really OP fakemon lol. And I'd argue that Deoxys is at its best when using each form, so why not combine the forms? Or even reduce them a bit to balance them, making their stats 50 / 135 / 120 / 135 / 120 / 135, or is that a little too far lol?
The thing is, if I buffed the Steel-type, then I'd be nerfing Dark- and Ghost-type moves, same thing with powder/paralysis moves for Grass- and Electric-types, respectively. So, if I buff one, the other gets nerfed, thus creating a bit of a paradox of buffing and nerfing. To avoid said paradox, any move that directly effects another move/type/ability will remain as it is, so Dark- and Ghost-type moves still hit Steel-types neutrally, and powder/paralysis moves won't effect Grass- and Electric-types, respectively.
First, I don't believe that there's such a thing as a stupid question. Second, form changing doesn't pass stat changes, so Kyurem-B still has 120 base special attack, and Deoxys-D still has garbage offenses.
If Sleep Talk chooses Rest, then you heal up and reset the sleep counter, which can no longer be done as of R/S.
I was asking if they were to be implemented but i guess this works as well as an answer, thanks!
Actually, it's not always a critical hit. It's a 99.6% chance, or 255 times out of 256.
Deoxys-S & Deoxys-A say hello, it's actually 50 / 180 / 160 / 180 / 160 / 180 with a BST of 910 lol. Not that any of this matters. Anyways, yeah, Crocune will be great in this meta thanks to the Sleep mechanics. Also, what made Curse so infamous of Gen 2? I never played it, but I know that it was Snorlax & Tyranitar: The Meta and it was Curse or RestTalk for days. Finally, what about Pokemon who learn Gen 1 / Gen 2 TMs, they were at their peak with moves such as Growth and the elemental punches?
That BST though. Anyways, I think what made Curse so good was the defensive nature of G/S/C, where everything was very bulky, and Snorlax was an especially bulky user of Curse. As for your last question, pretty much all moves worth using in gens 1 and 2 were taught through tutors, such as the elemental punches.
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