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Don't forget, it's based on a missile, so it probably just rams into the throat at high speeds.
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Pokémon Movepool Oddities & Explanations
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Don't forget, it's based on a missile, so it probably just rams into the throat at high speeds.
Pictured, Incineroar fighting Xerneas over being King of VGC.
For new moveset complaints, Galarian Moltres not getting Heat Wave or Burning Jealousy boggles my mind. Honchkrow and Yveltal are fellow Dark/Flying birds that learn Heat Wave no problem while Burning Jealousy is a Fire type move learned by multiple Dark types with no affinity for fire like Alolan Persian, Liepard, and Grimmsnarl (Who doesn't even get Mystical Fire). I get that G-Moltres is focusing on being a Dark type, but you think being descended from one of the most iconic Fire type Pokemon would give it some firepower.
None of the Galarian birds have attacks of their dropped types, unless I missed something. Seems like a deliberate choice to have those types vaguely referred to in their flavour, but not that much. It fits with what Peony says when he sees each of them (roughly, “weird, this isn’t [icy/electric/fiery] but I guess it looks enough like [bird] anyway”).
While they do drop their Ice/Electric/Fire type, that shouldn't mean they are completely forbidden from using said type. Moves like Icy Wind, Wild Charge, or the Fire type move that 99% of bird Pokemon learn unless they don't have wings and/or are Water/Ice should be kept since other Regional Forms do this, like G-Corsola keeping Water and Rock moves, or G-Ponyta keeping Morning Sun rather than swapping it for Moonlight.
I'm suggesting that they seem to have made a specific design choice with this trio, not that there's any broader rule for regional variants.
While Heat Wave and Icy Wind DO have a large number of Flying types that can learn them(Much more the former, since many birds can't learn the latter), Wild Charge is not such a move, like at all.
Also there have already been regional forms that cannot learn moves related to their original form's types, like Alolan Ninetales, this isn't a unique thing to them.
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Yeah this seems pretty purposeful, like they wanted to treat tehm like, well, Psychic/Fighting/Dark versions of their normal counterparts, down to movepool selection. Moltres just happesn to draw the shortstraw here by missing out on a move that most flying types get anyway (I thought it was cute how Zapdos swapped Heat Wave for Blaze Kick, though).
IMO the real shortstraw is that Zapdos & Moltres lose Roost entirely. Articuno swaps it for Recover. Like they're all still birds, c'mon now.
Actually it makes total sense for Articuno-G and Zapdos-G to lose Roost. Articuno-G only levitates instead of flying, so it has to recover its psychic power not rest its wings. And no other flightless birds (Blaziken, Tapu Koko, Dodrio) learn Roost because they don’t fly so they don’t need to rest their wings.
Tapu Koko and the Doduo line can learn Roost though, albeit not by level-up. If it were a TR, Galarian Zapdos would be able to learn it without any complaints.
Which leaves Galarian Moltres, that cannot learn Roost because reasons.
(That being said, this does leave the question as to why the Torchic line can't learn Roost by any means)
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With one of the other threads talking about Regeleki's movepool, I figured I might as well dump my thoughts here.
It does seem to me to be designed to not learn discharge. Discharge is a spread move, and it being surrounded by insulators at most points means that it is far more likely to produce arcs off of one specific point than it is to have a wide set of angles.
I'd like to say that the lack of Charge and Charge Beam are due to it being entirely AC, but apparently it only draws in electrons so it must be primarily DC.
It does seem to me to be designed to not learn discharge. Discharge is a spread move, and it being surrounded by insulators at most points means that it is far more likely to produce arcs off of one specific point than it is to have a wide set of angles.
I'd like to say that the lack of Charge and Charge Beam are due to it being entirely AC, but apparently it only draws in electrons so it must be primarily DC.
Ironically, while Regieleki can't learn Charge Beam, the original trio can. By level up. At level 1.
I don't think it would have been strange if the Legendary Birds kept/got the following:
G-Articuno: Ice Beam (I mean it shoots a beam from its eyes that have a freezing effect), Icy Wind (Have you seen what Pokemon can get Icy Wind via TM27?)
Normal Articuno: Psychic, Psyshock, Calm Mind (Now that see under a certain condition Articuno can become a Psychic-type, I don't think it would be farfetched to say it could access some of the basic Psychic-type moves that many non-Psychic Pokemon also get via TM), Shadow Ball (I just feels like common coverage that most Special-types get so why is Articuno exlcuded?)
G-Zapdos: Wild Charge (With it now actually charging everywhere it makes even more sense for it to have it), Roost (It's basic healing move for any bird Pokemon; it still has the Flying-type to lose)
Normal Zapdos: Nothing really, at least from what G-Zapdos learns.
G-Moltres: Heat Wave (Many winged Pokemon learn it), Mystical Fire, Will-O-Wisp (it's not normal fire, it's mystical fire so that's vague enough for supernatural Pokemon to learn it), Roost (It's basic healing move for any bird Pokemon; it still has the Flying-type to lose)
Normal Moltres: Dark Pulse, Snarl, Nasty Plot (If it can be turned into a Dark-type then it's normal form likely has enough to release some dark energy), Shadow Ball (I just feels like common coverage that most Special-types get so why is Moltres excluded?)
G-Articuno: Ice Beam (I mean it shoots a beam from its eyes that have a freezing effect), Icy Wind (Have you seen what Pokemon can get Icy Wind via TM27?)
Normal Articuno: Psychic, Psyshock, Calm Mind (Now that see under a certain condition Articuno can become a Psychic-type, I don't think it would be farfetched to say it could access some of the basic Psychic-type moves that many non-Psychic Pokemon also get via TM), Shadow Ball (I just feels like common coverage that most Special-types get so why is Articuno exlcuded?)
G-Zapdos: Wild Charge (With it now actually charging everywhere it makes even more sense for it to have it), Roost (It's basic healing move for any bird Pokemon; it still has the Flying-type to lose)
Normal Zapdos: Nothing really, at least from what G-Zapdos learns.
G-Moltres: Heat Wave (Many winged Pokemon learn it), Mystical Fire, Will-O-Wisp (it's not normal fire, it's mystical fire so that's vague enough for supernatural Pokemon to learn it), Roost (It's basic healing move for any bird Pokemon; it still has the Flying-type to lose)
Normal Moltres: Dark Pulse, Snarl, Nasty Plot (If it can be turned into a Dark-type then it's normal form likely has enough to release some dark energy), Shadow Ball (I just feels like common coverage that most Special-types get so why is Moltres excluded?)
I disagree heavily with the idea of a base Pokémon's moveset changing due to them receiving a regional form. I understand the rationale, but blurring the lines between the regional variants is totally against the whole point of regional variants, which is taking an old concept and giving it a new twist or niche. Especially because you get varying mileage out of it -- should Exeggutor-K suddenly be able to learn Draco Meteor because there's dragon energy in it? Or should Corsola-J get Spite/Grudge because it started dying in another region? That seems like a far reach to me.
Granted, Calm Mind would be rational on Articuno-K anyway. But that's the only one that could really be added to any of the Kanto birds (besides Shadow Ball but that's just because it's arbitrarily widespread, and none of the birds miss not having it).
Not a single member of the Duskull line learn Phantom Force.
This means Dusknoir, despite getting Poltergeist, is still absolute garbage in-game.
This means Dusknoir, despite getting Poltergeist, is still absolute garbage in-game.
So you know how all the kaiju Pokemon learn Surf? And how they made Hydro Pump a TR and now all the kaiju Pokemon also learn Hydro Pump?
Nidoking and Nidoqueen do not learn Hydro Pump.
Nidoking and Nidoqueen do not learn Hydro Pump.
Unfezant used to be fairly unimpressive in-game in Gen 5 because it lacked a solid Flying-type STAB that wasn't special until Acrobatics. It could rely on Return for Normal STAB, so it didn't struggle too much on that front.
Come SwSh, and it got access to the Brave Bird TR and Dual Wingbeat very early because of IoA... But now Giga Impact is unironically its best Normal STAB because its second strongest option is Facade.
It doesn't even get Take Down...
Come SwSh, and it got access to the Brave Bird TR and Dual Wingbeat very early because of IoA... But now Giga Impact is unironically its best Normal STAB because its second strongest option is Facade.
It doesn't even get Take Down...
Galar Starters edition!
The whole Grookey family can't learn Seed Bomb. I can't even imagine why tbh.
Scorbunny, the pokémon that can't really sit still even on its idle animations can't learn Wild Charge. Remember when people were thinking it was going to have a Fire/Electric evo before the game dropped?
Inteleon, the sniper/secret agent, can't learn Calm Mind.
The whole Grookey family can't learn Seed Bomb. I can't even imagine why tbh.
Scorbunny, the pokémon that can't really sit still even on its idle animations can't learn Wild Charge. Remember when people were thinking it was going to have a Fire/Electric evo before the game dropped?
Inteleon, the sniper/secret agent, can't learn Calm Mind.
Clowns being seen as scary is very much a western (maybe America-only? Not sure) phenomenon. Clowns aren’t depicted as scary in Japanese media usually.
What in the... That's "Zamazenta can't learn King's Shield" levels of bonkers.
Speaking of which, GF needs to stop messing around and give my boy Gallade Sacred Sword already. Matter of fact, it doesn't learn a single Fighting move via level up outside of Close Combat and that's late af.
It's also not something they ever lean into for Mr Mime anyway
The closest is probably they gave it Infestation and even that turns out to be, i guess, a pun in Japanese
Not that it isn't weird and dumb that ever since its inception the only fighting moves it learns by level up are Quick Guard and Close Combat, both at generally high levels
but
but
It gets Close Combat as a level 1 move in gens 6-8
Now what's real dumb is that they got rid of Leaf Blade, one its OG level 1 moves its had since gen 4, and made its o you can only get it by TR.
Inteleon, the sniper/secret agent, can't learn Calm Mind.
Not sure I see the connection here. As far as british spy films go, I've never seen James Bond or similar characters practice meditation. And while snipers stay still for long periods of time, they are typically hyper-focused for hours at a time, which seems the opposite of calm. Seems fine to me. I am kinda mad scorbunny line didn't get wild charge or was part electric.
Also Gallade should get drain punch upon evolving, since draining kiss is something ralts/kirlia gets and Gallade's who gimmick is a (specially) bulky fighting type.
Personally I’m glad they didn’t give the leech seed durian from hell another way to inflict chip damage